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[trobbins777]

This is a sonnet i made about Ashley written after Shepard died.


I once labored in the gardens of eden
With many more like me young and brash
But as sovereignty left us beaten
It left only Ash.



I once knew friends
till one fateful day and crash.
Then we friends met our ends
and we left only Ash.



I once had love but now it's gone.
Young, wild and secret but not abash
Where once stood two and two stood as one
Now lies a pile of Ash.



For no matter how bright the fire burns
It leaves only Ash as it's returns.

Modifié par trobbins777, 23 décembre 2010 - 06:31 .

[AuggyDoggysan]

[DWH1982]

LiamN7 wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

I don't think it has anything to do with Liara being more liked, or Bioware caving into the Anti-VS fans. The comic is suppose to take place after Shepard dies, and my guess is VS' fate is determined in that comic. It'd be a little odd for Ashley to appear in the opening scene only to die in the Prologue comic, so Liara was the only logical choice.

Correct. But why put the comic after the opening? Why not first? I hear the comic is a DLC even for the PS3.  So if that is true with out the comic shouldn't the PS3 version play out the same as the 360 and PC?  Now when the comic DLC comes to PC and 360 will it play at the begining or will it play after the opening of ME2 and change the default opening for those platforms and remove Ash and Kaidan there also ?
Like I have said, good reason, bad reason, or no reason , the removal of Ash and Kaidan from the intro of ME2 is bad. It takes away screen time when they already had so very little. That is a very bad thing for what ever reason.

Yeah, these would be the things that bother me.  I'm not convinced it's intentional, but it often does feel like we're being punished four our LI preferance in the first game.  Like Bioware doesn't want to put the effort into developing characters that have become interchangable, and/or they're trying to push us towards recognizing Liara as the "canon" LI from the first game.  Given that one of the selling points for ME is supposed to be the freedom to make your own choices, this is not a good thing.

I'm hoping that these feelings on my part are just off kilter, and that we'll get a DLC - or SOMETHING - that treats the Virmire Survivors the way they should be treated.

I'd also like to point out that I say this as someone who really likes Liara, even if she isn't my LI of choice.  I'm actually glad we got a Liara DLC... She was obviously going through some tough times by ME2, and being able to help her out was a major relief.

trobbins777 wrote...

This is a sonnet i made about Ashley written after Shepard died.

I like!

Modifié par DWH1982, 23 décembre 2010 - 07:00 .

[Elite Midget]

Well, the Comic also made Liara seem like the canon choice... Could have used even Tali if they wanted. Though I suppose Bioware has a plan for everything even if I don't agree with it.

[DWH1982]

I think Bioware might be running into franchise problems. They've got a great universe here that offers a lot of potential for expansion - but this conflicts with the original intent of giving players as much freedom as possible to shape the universe and create their own canon.

I see examples of this elsewhere, not just with the VS. For example, I understand that the ME comic strip that ran (is running?) in USA Today has Udina on the Council. This is news to me, as I remember putting Anderson on the Council, and enjoying the look on Udina's face when I did it. I'm not really following the USA Today comic, but has Udina's position ever been explained for those of us who made a different choice?

I have concerns about the movie that is in the works. I can't help but wonder what ME: The Movie will mean for Ash and Alenko.

Modifié par DWH1982, 23 décembre 2010 - 07:56 .

[AuggyDoggysan]

from pineappletree



The ps3 players will never hear Ash say the things she said in me1. Sad.

[Cra5y Pineapple]

trobbins777 wrote...
-Poetry Snip-

Very appropiate considering her interest in poetry. I like.

[DWH1982]

shadowhawk233 wrote...

I was thinking, when the collectors attacked Horizon, we see Kaiden/Ash get stung and frozen and at the end of the mission they just appear and look fine dispite bieng among the first to be tagged by the seekers.

Could it be possible that the Collectors injected them with reaper tech and let them go to slowly transform into Reaper "Avatars" or quickly indoctrinated them. We know they were after people connected to our Shepard so it is a possibility after the seekers imobalised them.

An Avatar is described as bieng similar to what Saren looked like when Sovereign possessed him at the end of ME1 and is a type of highly advanced husk which retains it's memory and intelligence to serve the Reapers. The transformation can be slow and take weeks depending on the individuals resistance and the Reaper's own goals. In ME:R It's mentioned that the Illusive Man dosed Paul Grayson with Red Sand to stop him resisting the reapers and as a result the transformation increased and he even developed biotic powers.

I dropped Kaiden in ME1 if he does return, Maybe he'll be a villain in ME3 after getting Indoctrinated. Reapers can create Super Husks called "Avatars" if done right, the first "Avatar" was Paul Grayson in ME: Retribution, but that happened after the I-Man injected him with Reaper Nano's.

I think (during my time lurking) I've seen others raise this possibility, both in this thread and in the Alenko thread.

It's possible, but I really hope that's not what Bioware has planned for the VS.

We've been patient and stayed loyal. We deserve to have Ash on our squad in ME3, or to at least have a happy ending for (with) her - not to end up fighting her, and likely having to kill her, as an enemy.

Modifié par DWH1982, 24 décembre 2010 - 12:22 .

[The Unfallen]

VutaatVerd wrote...

That Yellow Bastard wrote...

I despise that pink armor she is always shown as being default in, this is why I always change it. Bleh.

I guess you would hate this armor then.

-Projectile vomits-

[DWH1982]

Also - AuggyDoggySan: I love all the Ash pics you've been posting today! Keep it up!

[AuggyDoggysan]

[Collider]

The ME3 announcement has brought all kinds of lackluster threads, imo.

[Errol Dnamyx]

Brodyaha wrote...

"Ashley could be hotter?"

Did I REALLY just see a thread with this title in the forum? :/

*goes to wash eyes with bleach*

Some people don't recognize a pretty woman, when she hits them in the face. (with an armored fist)

And there are so many clueless pubbies in the forum, nothing really surprises me anymore.

[Errol Dnamyx]

Well played.

[Andysilv]

Brodyaha wrote...
Here's to hoping for the impossible: a VS DLC announcement for the holidays. Then people who haven't played ME1 will know how awesome Ash is.

Oh yay! *crosses everything* Make it happen Bioware! Please?

[darknoon5]

Just a question bugging me after re-playing ME1.

Can somebody explain to me why Ashley says this in the presidium:

"I can't tell the aliens from the animals."



It just seems like a strange line, seeing as there is no animals. Plus it seems very racist coming from a character that isn't meant to be racist. Maybe I'm missing something?

[V-rex]

darknoon5 wrote...
 Snip

Exhibit 1:



The Keepers, they don't speak, they have no language, culture or political structure or belief system or any signs of individuality or desire. In a sense they are biological machines that exist only to maintain the Citadel.
In essence, animals. At least by the standards of what makes a race sentient and or sapient.

Exhibit 2:



The Hanar, from a distance they look like a decorative balloon, from closer they look like a pot plant then when you are standing right next to them, they look like an escapee from a local aquarium. They have no face, no clothes, none of them are seen doing much of anything besides float around the place.
Yet they are considered, by many, to be one of the greatest and most advanced alien races in citadel space. But if you hadn't known that, you would have thought it was just a jellyfish.


Point being to Ashley this is all new. She's seeing sights she's never seen before, floating jellyfish, big four legged elcor and little insect creatures. Ashley has never had much, if any, real contact with aliens before so to her this would be very strange and confusing. She wasn't saying it out of racial hate, she was saying it matter of factly because they really do look like animals.
That said, on many occassions she is able to work with aliens effectively and even think of them on terms of being equals. So she hardly thinks of aliens as essentially equal to animals.

Besides one of our more well known posters already did a huge post about how strange and wierd it is to merely go to a foreign language place in the world, when you can't really talk to anyone or read any signs or billboards and the trends that are popular are strange to you, it gets confusing.
Now imagine that said people aren't just speaking a different language, they are in fact creatures of a plethora of different species, some of which are so drastically differently evolved from humans that comparing them on a purely aesthetic scale is insane.
I actually remember spending the first thirty minutes on the Citadel trying to talk to Keepers and wondering why they never spoke back, and then almost pooping my pants when the giant faceless jellyfish that I honestly thought was a glowing decorative balloon started talking to me.

It's not hard to believe that Ashley might have difficulty picking out the various strange creatures from animal species right off the bat, and it certainly isn't drowning in hatred to make that connection.

[darknoon5]

Well explained, thank you. I still think it isn't a great line, but at least I can understand what she was referring to. Surely if she knew about the geth though, wouldn't she at least be acquainted with species as important as the keepers?

[V-rex]

darknoon5 wrote...

Well explained, thank you. I still think it isn't a great line, but at least I can understand what she was referring to. Surely if she knew about the geth though, wouldn't she at least be acquainted with species as important as the keepers?

True, but it doesn't make the Hanar and Elcor any less unusual and 'feeling out of place'.
Besides, the Keepers are only really important to the Citadel. Since she's never been to the Citadel, Ashley might not know about them.

And yes it's true, the line is pretty bad. Even the guy who wrote Ashley's dialogue admitted it was kind of a mistake to add that line in, even though he meant it more as an expression of 'confusion' on Ashley's part and only ever intended the line to be triggered when she was standing next to a Keeper, he admits that it's way to easy to be seen as a prejorative.
If I find the quote of him saying that, I'll link it.

[Lord Zeuss]

darknoon5 wrote...

Well explained, thank you. I still think it isn't a great line, but at least I can understand what she was referring to. Surely if she knew about the geth though, wouldn't she at least be acquainted with species as important as the keepers?

She may have, and probably did have textbook knowledge of the various races comprising the United Nations Citadel government/citizenry. But textbook knowledge is a far cry from actual, real life experience. You can read all about the Sistine Chapel and it won't prepare you for the moment you are actually standing in it.