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[Cossack72]

But I approve; Ash does have that special "real" attraction going on. Not all women can be Scandinavian bomb shells <3

Modifié par Cossack72, 25 décembre 2010 - 11:59 .

[KendallX23]

Cossack72 wrote...

But I approve; Ash does have that special "real" attraction going on. Not all women can be Scandinavian bomb shells <3

yeah..Ash seems to be made to seem more real to the players...
      and sorry..but Poland is not a Scandinavian country..neither is Australia :innocent:

[Cossack72]

KendallX23 wrote...

Cossack72 wrote...

But I approve; Ash does have that special "real" attraction going on. Not all women can be Scandinavian bomb shells <3

yeah..Ash seems to be made to seem more real to the players...
      and sorry..but Poland is not a Scandinavian country..neither is Australia :innocent:

Truth be told, I didn't know where Yvonne was from. I was going to guess Heaven, but they didn't call, so that was out 

[LessThanKate]

Yeah, you'll forgive me if I don't share in gushing about Miranda or the actress she's modeled after XD

Not all women CAN be Scandinavian bombshells? Who says we want to be or even should be? Things would be rather boring if all women were aryan walking dolls.

That sort of look wouldn't work for Ash, not at all. It's wierd how Miranda is engineered to be perfect, but her, uh...features, I imagine, could really get in the way in a combat situation...especially when there's no armor to be had...

Ugh, sorry, I don't hate Miranda but...I'll stick with Ashley, thank you.

I'm curious, though, as to what Ash would look like if she were given her own body model and not just the one that femShep and all the female NPCs have...in my mind, she's got bigger hips, but that's just me.

[DWH1982]

Cossack72 wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...


As for that forum asking whether or not Ash could be more attractive... I think there are a lot of people with skewed ideals about what women should look like, especially in games.  Ash is very attractive, and she's attractive in more of a "real person" way.  As much as I came to grudgingly respect Miranda in ME2, I can't say the same thing about her.

Yvonne would like to have a word with you

Heh... It slipped my mind that Miranda actually IS modeled after a real person.  Egg, meet face. 

I guess maybe I was thinking about Miranda's back story in the game, and how she's "engineered" to be attractive.  And, honestly, I don't mean to be unfair to her, but the way her character looks seems like blatant fan service to the ever important "14 year old male" gaming demographic.

I still think that Ash manages to be beautiful without looking like she's trying to be beautiful - and without looking like the game team is going out of their way to turn her into a supermodel.  She also gets bonus points for dressing appropriately for battle.  And for never wanting to stick a control chip in my head.

[ADLegend21]

Ashley and Miranda (in my mind at least) are the two best female LI's in the game they're 1a and 1b. Both are extremly useful in combat and while I know people have issues with Miranda's combat outift, it's no different than what the Asari commando's wear in ME1 except the pattern. Sure Ashley looks stunning in armor, but I would like to see her in somehting other than Heavy armor and Alliance Fatigues, (maybe that tin foil mini skirt and thigh high boots she suggested?) something like Emily Wong's Me2 outfit.

Modifié par ADLegend21, 26 décembre 2010 - 05:46 .

[DWH1982]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Ashley and Miranda (in my mind at least) are the two best female LI's in the game they're 1a and 1b. Both are extremly useful in combat and while I know people have issues with Miranda's combat outift, it's no different than what the Asari commando's wear in ME1 except the pattern. Sure Ashley looks stunning in armor, but I would like to see her in somehting other than Heavy armor and Alliance Fatigues, (maybe that tin foil mini skirt and thigh high boots she suggested?) something like Emily Wong's Me2 outfit.

I agree, it might be nice to see Ash in a different outfit.  Maybe some kind of "shore leave" mission is warranted.

I also agree about Miranda's usefulness in ME2 in combat.  I tend to take her on missions more than anyone else.  I also think that, should they both be in the squad in ME3, taking Ash and Miranda at the same time will be a lethal combination. 

Can't help but wonder how they'll get along, though.  Don't think Ash will be fond of some of Miranda's views on Cerberus.  She might also have issues if she finds out that Miranda came on to Shepard...

[ADLegend21]

DWH1982 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Ashley and Miranda (in my mind at least) are the two best female LI's in the game they're 1a and 1b. Both are extremly useful in combat and while I know people have issues with Miranda's combat outift, it's no different than what the Asari commando's wear in ME1 except the pattern. Sure Ashley looks stunning in armor, but I would like to see her in somehting other than Heavy armor and Alliance Fatigues, (maybe that tin foil mini skirt and thigh high boots she suggested?) something like Emily Wong's Me2 outfit.

I agree, it might be nice to see Ash in a different outfit.  Maybe some kind of "shore leave" mission is warranted.

I also agree about Miranda's usefulness in ME2 in combat.  I tend to take her on missions more than anyone else.  I also think that, should they both be in the squad in ME3, taking Ash and Miranda at the same time will be a lethal combination. 

Can't help but wonder how they'll get along, though.  Don't think Ash will be fond of some of Miranda's views on Cerberus.  She might also have issues if she finds out that Miranda came on to Shepard...

If you think about it Ash's feelings towards the Alliance = Miranda's feelings toward Cerberus. Both have emotional connections to them (Ash's ancestory and Cerberus protecting Miranda andher sister from her father) and Both defend their organizations vehimently.

[DWH1982]

ADLegend21 wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Ashley and Miranda (in my mind at least) are the two best female LI's in the game they're 1a and 1b. Both are extremly useful in combat and while I know people have issues with Miranda's combat outift, it's no different than what the Asari commando's wear in ME1 except the pattern. Sure Ashley looks stunning in armor, but I would like to see her in somehting other than Heavy armor and Alliance Fatigues, (maybe that tin foil mini skirt and thigh high boots she suggested?) something like Emily Wong's Me2 outfit.

I agree, it might be nice to see Ash in a different outfit.  Maybe some kind of "shore leave" mission is warranted.

I also agree about Miranda's usefulness in ME2 in combat.  I tend to take her on missions more than anyone else.  I also think that, should they both be in the squad in ME3, taking Ash and Miranda at the same time will be a lethal combination. 

Can't help but wonder how they'll get along, though.  Don't think Ash will be fond of some of Miranda's views on Cerberus.  She might also have issues if she finds out that Miranda came on to Shepard...

If you think about it Ash's feelings towards the Alliance = Miranda's feelings toward Cerberus. Both have emotional connections to them (Ash's ancestory and Cerberus protecting Miranda andher sister from her father) and Both defend their organizations vehimently.

Which is exatly why I see the potential for fireworks.

Not sure what Miranda feels about Cerberus if she resigns after you refuse to hand over the base, though.  Her feelings might be a little more mixed, which could head off potential problems - but I honestly don't see her becoming as anti-Cerberus or pro-Alliance as Ash.

[LessThanKate]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Ashley and Miranda (in my mind at least) are the two best female LI's in the game they're 1a and 1b. Both are extremly useful in combat and while I know people have issues with Miranda's combat outift, it's no different than what the Asari commando's wear in ME1 except the pattern. Sure Ashley looks stunning in armor, but I would like to see her in somehting other than Heavy armor and Alliance Fatigues, (maybe that tin foil mini skirt and thigh high boots she suggested?) something like Emily Wong's Me2 outfit.

If Miranda's outfit is similar to that of the asaris' in ME1..then that's not a very compelling argument. That only further my thinking that's it's...fanservice-y

And while I have no issue with different downtime outfits, I'd rather Ashley remain the most appropriately dressed female squad mate in the series. She is a soldier, after all, and I'd rather that not be diminished.

Besides...she makes heavy armor look good. She doesn't need skin tight suits to be awesome.

Modifié par LessThanKate, 26 décembre 2010 - 06:39 .

[V-rex]

LessThanKate wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Ashley and Miranda (in my mind at least) are the two best female LI's in the game they're 1a and 1b. Both are extremly useful in combat and while I know people have issues with Miranda's combat outift, it's no different than what the Asari commando's wear in ME1 except the pattern. Sure Ashley looks stunning in armor, but I would like to see her in somehting other than Heavy armor and Alliance Fatigues, (maybe that tin foil mini skirt and thigh high boots she suggested?) something like Emily Wong's Me2 outfit.

If Miranda's outfit is similar to that of the asaris' in ME1..then that's not a very compelling argument. That only further my thinking that's it's...fanservice-y

And while I have no issue with different downtime outfits, I'd rather Ashley remain the most appropriately dressed female squad mate in the series. She is a soldier, after all, and I'd rather that not be diminished.

Besides...she makes heavy armor look good. She doesn't need skin tight suits to be awesome.

True, I love Ashley in her practical outfits and armor, she still looks fantastic.

That said, one (romance) scene where she's wearing a cocktail dress wouldn't hurt.....

[LessThanKate]

I suppose that couldn't hurt. Just keep it classy XD

Modifié par LessThanKate, 26 décembre 2010 - 06:55 .

[ADLegend21]

LessThanKate wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Ashley and Miranda (in my mind at least) are the two best female LI's in the game they're 1a and 1b. Both are extremly useful in combat and while I know people have issues with Miranda's combat outift, it's no different than what the Asari commando's wear in ME1 except the pattern. Sure Ashley looks stunning in armor, but I would like to see her in somehting other than Heavy armor and Alliance Fatigues, (maybe that tin foil mini skirt and thigh high boots she suggested?) something like Emily Wong's Me2 outfit.

If Miranda's outfit is similar to that of the asaris' in ME1..then that's not a very compelling argument. That only further my thinking that's it's...fanservice-y

I'm not saying it's not fanservicy, but she is a biotic and biotics need stuff that let's them move that's why only soldiers get heavy armor and Adepts get only light armor, so they can use their biotics freely without armor weighing them down. The asari commando's didn't have heavy armor because they're similar to adepts. Ashely doesn't have biotics so she gets the Tank armor and Miranda's suit is probably made of durable material and  it has a shield generator on it.

[LessThanKate]

I...feel like she could use her powers just as well in an outfit in which she doesn't "bounce in the breeze". Just being completely practical, how does a woman of that build run around like that? While being shot at, too! Plus, even an Adept Shepard wears armor, never a catsuit. And I don't know if biotics protect against the cold of dark space, but...yeah.

If Ashley were to ever wear something risque, I'd prefer it be sort of a...your-eyes-only for a male Shepard. But if that could help more people go for a romance with her, I'd accept that.

Modifié par LessThanKate, 26 décembre 2010 - 07:13 .

[ADLegend21]

LessThanKate wrote...

I...feel like she could use her powers just as well in an outfit in which she doesn't "bounce in the breeze". Just being completely practical, how does a woman of that build run around like that? While being shot at, too! Plus, even an Adept Shepard wears armor, never a catsuit. And I don't know if biotics protect against the cold of dark space, but...yeah.

If Ashley were to ever wear something risque, I'd prefer it be sort of a...your-eyes-only for Shepard. But if that could help more people go for a romance with her, I'd accept that.

well it's obviously not a bikini and like I think it's made of durable Material (maybe something like modern day astronauts wear because that's not a ahrdsuit and they survive in space) Yes while it says light armor, it's pretty much plastic ontop of the catsuit like material underneath. Biotics make mass effect field and mass effect fields own space. For Ash though, if she were to wear something like that she might be on a pure stealth, Assasination or infiltration mission where she needs something light, like what Thane wears. Although if Ash was on an assasination mission,I think she'd just set her sniper rifle up somewhere and do it from there

[Lord Zeuss]

I appreciate that people have not wandered too far off-topic with this Miranda business. Thanks for keeping it about Ash.:happy:



/off-topic/ Only Miranda's face is modeled after Ms. Strahovski, her in-game body model is a highly exaggerated and stylized depiction of "the feminine ideal" (in quotations because such a concept is entirely subjective, and I know we have at least a few feminists here--you know who you are;)) /off-topic/

I do think it would have been interesting if Ash had had a unique body model, but frankly I think she's perfectly fine as is--and I think the temptation to make her a barbie could've been too much for the devs. I like that she's a soldier and has the physique to match (at least as far as video games go), and like Kate said, she makes heavy armor look good.

[DWH1982]

LessThanKate wrote...

I...feel like she could use her powers just as well in an outfit in which she doesn't "bounce in the breeze". Just being completely practical, how does a woman of that build run around like that? While being shot at, too! Plus, even an Adept Shepard wears armor, never a catsuit. And I don't know if biotics protect against the cold of dark space, but...yeah.

If Ashley were to ever wear something risque, I'd prefer it be sort of a...your-eyes-only for a male Shepard. But if that could help more people go for a romance with her, I'd accept that.

All of the squad members in ME2 have this problem.  None of them ever dress appropriately for missions in low or zero atmosphere environments.  It's one of the ways in which ME2 seems to have a much more, shall we say, "cartoonish" approach than ME1, and to be honest, it really bothers me.  A face mask really shouldn't be enough by itself.

So, I guess I would say, my wish list for Ash in ME3, at least as far as attire is concerned:

1.  Continue having her dress appropriately for battle.  If people are going to be shooting at her, she should be adding clothing, not removing it.

2.  A "for your eyes only" outfit for male Shepards who she is romancing.  If she's going to be spending time in Shepard's cabin, she should be removing clothing, not adding it. 

3.  Keep the approach of dressing appropriately for low and zero atmosphere environments that she had in ME1.  Also, if this approach could be brought to any returning ME2 squad members, that would be great as well.

Modifié par DWH1982, 26 décembre 2010 - 06:01 .

[LessThanKate]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

I appreciate that people have not wandered too far off-topic with this Miranda business. Thanks for keeping it about Ash.:happy:

I tried. I really did XD

One more point about the whole...dressed for sexy not the situation thing...high heels. They have no business in space. That is all.

As for how she may dress during a romance...Ash reluctantly exposing a feminine side would be enjoyable. There was...some dialogue like that in the first game, just after they get grounded, so maybe her in a dress alone with Shepard could show things have come full circle. Plus, situation appropriate outfits might be nice, as opposed to...much as I liked the romance, Garrus keeping the scouter on during his.

I do like the green dress in that picture, but if it's a quiet evening, just the two of them...then I support Ash in an LBD for ME3!

[ADLegend21]

DWH1982 wrote...

LessThanKate wrote...

I...feel like she could use her powers just as well in an outfit in which she doesn't "bounce in the breeze". Just being completely practical, how does a woman of that build run around like that? While being shot at, too! Plus, even an Adept Shepard wears armor, never a catsuit. And I don't know if biotics protect against the cold of dark space, but...yeah.

If Ashley were to ever wear something risque, I'd prefer it be sort of a...your-eyes-only for a male Shepard. But if that could help more people go for a romance with her, I'd accept that.

All of the squad members in ME2 have this problem.  None of them ever dress appropriately for missions in low or zero atmosphere environments.  It's one of the ways in which ME2 seems to have a much more, shall we say, "cartoonish" approach than ME1, and to be honest, it really bothers me.  A face mask really shouldn't be enough by itself.

So, I guess I would say, my wish list for Ash in ME3, at least as far as attire is concerned:

1.  Continue having her dress appropriately for battle.  If people are going to be shooting at her, she should be adding clothing, not removing it.

2.  A "for your eyes only" outfit for male Shepards who she is romancing.  If she's going to be spending time in Shepard's cabin, she should be removing clothing, not adding it. 

3.  Keep the approach of dressing appropriately for low and zero atmosphere environments that she had in ME1.  Also, if this approach could be brought to any returning ME2 squad members, that would be great as well.

Actually Biotics do protect against the vacuum. All the ME2 squaddies who don''t "dress approtiatly" have biotics except for Kasumi because she's a thief and needs stealth. the one's who dont' besides Kasumi all have hardsuits because they don't generate mass effect fields, biotics are mass effect fields and mass effect fields warp space, so a biotic could walk around witha breaker mask and still be protected frmo space because of the mass effect field their barriers make.

As for Ash, she shouldh have the "for your eyes only" for BOTH shepard's regardless of romance or not. femshep's can romance ashley too.

[LessThanKate]

I would incur that Mordin also does not dress well for deep space and I'm quite sure he has no biotics, but...I fear it's moving too far off topic. Variety in armor is one thing, but since you're playing an ex-marine and the situation is still treated like a military operation, I'd rather everyone...dress for the occasion. But yeah.



I'm aware that she was originally going to be an LI for both male and female Shepards, as was Kaiden. And even though I'd sooner consider her over the other women (why do so many female gamers want to romance Tali? She's like a little sister, it seems so weird to me...), I'm having a hard time imagining her as such. Forgive me if this sound prejudice, especially with all the "fight for the love" stuff, but...seems a little silly to make all the possible love interests bisexual.



Plus, it...seems too little too late now. It's been established that she's only interested in a male Shepard.

[DWH1982]

LessThanKate wrote...

I would incur that Mordin also does not dress well for deep space and I'm quite sure he has no biotics, but...I fear it's moving too far off topic. Variety in armor is one thing, but since you're playing an ex-marine and the situation is still treated like a military operation, I'd rather everyone...dress for the occasion. But yeah.

I'm aware that she was originally going to be an LI for both male and female Shepards, as was Kaiden. And even though I'd sooner consider her over the other women (why do so many female gamers want to romance Tali? She's like a little sister, it seems so weird to me...), I'm having a hard time imagining her as such. Forgive me if this sound prejudice, especially with all the "fight for the love" stuff, but...seems a little silly to make all the possible love interests bisexual.

Plus, it...seems too little too late now. It's been established that she's only interested in a male Shepard.

Agree on both issues.

Even squadmates who seem pretty well armored - like Grunt - often seem to have patches of skin exposed.  I can't imagine that would work well if exposed to space.  I tried telling myself that they must have portable Mass Effect field generators or something... but the difference between ME1 and ME2 in how squaddies dress in no atmosphere environments is just too stark for me not to be perturbed by it.  ME2's approach seems out of place for what ME1 made me expect from the Mass Effect universe.

As for the "on topic" subject - I wouldn't mind seeing some same sex LI options on the squad in ME3, and I think Ash as a love option for both male and female Shepards would have been interesting.  But I agree it shouldn't be introduced in ME3.  In two games, there haven't been any indications that Ash is bi, so I think it would be rather jarring to just drop that in during the final game.  I understand that there's some kind of hack or mod that's available that allows femsheps to romance her in ME1, but I also understand that if you try to transfer such a character to ME2 the game simply locks up.

[LessThanKate]

I think I saw the, uh..."hack" with a male Shepard and Kaiden, and I think Shepard magically turned into a woman. I don't know if something parallel happens in an altered scene with Ash, but...I'll just keep it the way it is. I think I made a pretty decent man for Ash, and my two femSheps are only into men. Alas, sometimes I think the love between a man and a woman is underrated, like there always need to be some twist for the sake of drama.

That's not to say I don't want any interaction with Ashley and a female Shepard. If I had my way, my main femShep would have embraced her, relieved that at least she hadn't been abducted by the Collectors and happy to see her friend and sister in arms again, even if their reunion was part of a ploy by TIM. Much as I like romance...it can't be the whole game.

Modifié par LessThanKate, 26 décembre 2010 - 07:56 .

[ADLegend21]

RE: armor, Mordin's helmet covers eveything except his horn, he's still in a fullbody salarian armor suit. so my point still stands that biotics don't always need armor but non-biotics, and even so Ash still looks good out of armor.



RE: Love, it's never too late to fall for someone and evenw ith Hacks it seems Bioware has adujsted the game for S/S because I modded a femshep to romance Miranda and Hale says the same line a male shep would when Liara asks if they're fighting for Miranda and it's a romance only line and said Mirimancing femshep was modded to have romanced Ashley (instead of Liara) in me1 and said the Horizon scene the same way an ash romancing maleshep would say. If ashley showed feelings for a femshep in me1 I honestly wouldn't be surprised since she still calls shepard a god.

[Lord Zeuss]

Please, let's leave this topic of changing Ash's sexuality alone. People obviously think strongly about it one way or the other.

[AuggyDoggysan]

Modifié par AuggyDoggysan, 26 décembre 2010 - 11:20 .