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[DWH1982]

Batlass8 wrote...

HunterX6 wrote...

*a lot of nonsense*

I'm sorry, normally I don't feed the trolls, but seriously, how much effort does it take to be respectful of female characters?  This is one instance where I cannot but whip out the feminist credentials; what you've written is a load of offensive, sexist tripe. 

Yes, Miranda and Ashley are women.  Yes, they're attractive.  No, that is not what defines them.  Moreover, that is not what determines a woman's worth.  Nothing infuriates me as much as the objectification of a character.  From what you've written, I doubt that you took any time in game to get to know either character (as much as one can claim to 'get to know' a fictional character).  Had you done so, you would realize that there's a lot more to each of them then their ability to titillate or perform fellatio.  Not only is each a complex character with her own interests, priorities and prejudices, but neither one of them views a relationship with Shepard as the be-all, end-all of her existence.  Ash even says it right to Shepard:  "I don't need money, a knight in shining armor, or a man to make me happy.  This is who I am...I like her."

Everyone who posts on this thread likes Ashley as well.  Even if they don't, they're mature enough to respect her as a human being.  Please go away, and take your inability to view women as more than sex toys with you. 

Edit: Grammar fixed.

Nicely said.

To be honest, though, I've more or less stopped reading the anti Ash and anti Kaidan posts.  I think most of the people who are behind them are lost causes.

A key point in your statement, I think, is "I doubt that you took any time in game to get to know either character."  I've found that there seem to be a lot of people who stopped talking to Ash after one or two conversations.  Often it's the one where she expresses concern for having aliens on the Normandy.  For whatever reason, many seem to find that so "off putting" that they don't bother talking to her again, and never really get to know her.

I've never been able to understand that, myself.  If I pay good money for a game, why on Earth would I want to skip content?  Personally, I want to get to know every character as much as possible, even if I don't think I like them - because each character and each conversation is likely in the game for a reason.

I dunno.  Maybe I just don't understand other gamers very well.  All I know is that ever since I first came here, I've been shocked by how bad the anti-Ash and anti-Kaidan stuff has been.  I really don't even bother with many threads outside of the Ash and Kaidan support for that reason.  The only other place I really post is the Kasumi support thread.

VutaatVerd wrote...

Batlass8 wrote...

Ash even says it right to Shepard:  "I don't need money, a knight in shining armor, or a man to make me happy.  This is who I am...I like her."

A man to make me Happy...I think by Horizon on ME2 she kinda of needed a man to make her happy in some form. How does everyone else feel about that Quote from Ashley after ME2?

I think Ash was shaken by Shepard's death.  That's understandable.  Anyone would be shaken by the death of a loved one.  I think she handeled it just like she handeled the death of her father, and worked through it with prayer and poetry.

Long term, I still don't think she needs a man.  I think she was moving on quite well - perhaps even better than Kaidan when he loses femShep - when Shepard reappeared on Horizon and opened old wounds.

Modifié par DWH1982, 07 janvier 2011 - 05:51 .

[Clone 071]

Batlass8 wrote...

HunterX6 wrote...

*a lot of nonsense*

I'm sorry, normally I don't feed the trolls, but seriously, how much effort does it take to be respectful of female characters?  This is one instance where I cannot but whip out the feminist credentials; what you've written is a load of offensive, sexist tripe. 

Yes, Miranda and Ashley are women.  Yes, they're attractive.  No, that is not what defines them.  Moreover, that is not what determines a woman's worth.  Nothing infuriates me as much as the objectification of a character.  From what you've written, I doubt that you took any time in game to get to know either character (as much as one can claim to 'get to know' a fictional character).  Had you done so, you would realize that there's a lot more to each of them then their ability to titillate or perform fellatio.  Not only is each a complex character with her own interests, priorities and prejudices, but neither one of them views a relationship with Shepard as the be-all, end-all of her existence.  Ash even says it right to Shepard:  "I don't need money, a knight in shining armor, or a man to make me happy.  This is who I am...I like her."

Everyone who posts on this thread likes Ashley as well.  Even if they don't, they're mature enough to respect her as a human being.  Please go away, and take your inability to view women as more than sex toys with you. 

Edit: Grammar fixed.

... Damn, remind me never to get on your bad side, Batlass. I myself don't have that point of view of what the troll said, but it was intimidating just reading your response. Well said though.

But like you said about referring to getting to know a character and along with what DWH commented on, that is a key point. More and more, I'm starting to see that same thing. People stop talking to her after the first conversation because of her so-called "racist" comments towards Wrex and Garrus. That just sickens me, especially even after Ash's writer explained otherwise.

Modifié par Clone 071, 07 janvier 2011 - 07:38 .

[Beeno4Life]

I think many people misjudge Ash's character. Whether it be from misinterpretation or lack of communication in-game, a lot of people don't get to see the best side of Ash. I think it's too bad, because many more could get behind her (no pun intended) as a solid character, they just don't really get her character.



And trolls are so silly. They let the thread thrive with a variety of new responses, and make cute little pets like a space hamster-- Only difference being they don't go 'Meep' when you poke them.

[Raanz]

Nice reply Batlass.
Oh well, Ash fans (and Kaidan fans) will soon have the last laugh. I'm a confident fellow and I think one to two weeks after the PS3 release of ME2 (Jan 18th here in the states), we will start hearing hints for the next bridging DLC, which obviously will be VS centric.
Oh yes, I said it.

EDIT: fixed date

Modifié par Raanz, 07 janvier 2011 - 08:32 .

[DWH1982]

Raanz wrote...

Nice reply Batlass.
Oh well, Ash fans (and Kaidan fans) will soon have the last laugh. I'm a confident fellow and I think one to two weeks after the PS3 release of ME2 (Jan 18th here in the states), we will start hearing hints for the next bridging DLC, which obviously will be VS centric.
Oh yes, I said it.

EDIT: fixed date

Man, I hope that's the case. I'd sell my soul for the chance to have Ash in my squad again, even if she's only there for a DLC mission.

I'm also a little curious to see how her skills will translate into the ME2 skill system.

[Beeno4Life]

DWH1982 wrote...

Raanz wrote...

Nice reply Batlass.
Oh well, Ash fans (and Kaidan fans) will soon have the last laugh. I'm a confident fellow and I think one to two weeks after the PS3 release of ME2 (Jan 18th here in the states), we will start hearing hints for the next bridging DLC, which obviously will be VS centric.
Oh yes, I said it.

EDIT: fixed date

Man, I hope that's the case. I'd sell my soul for the chance to have Ash in my squad again, even if she's only there for a DLC mission.

I'm also a little curious to see how her skills will translate into the ME2 skill system.

I could see it being like this:
Concussive Shot
Inferno Ammo
Alliance Soldier--> Alliance Renegade (+37.5% Damage, +50% health)
                            --> Alliance Shocktrooper (+50% damage, +37.5% health)
Loyalty Power: Immunity
--> Squad Immunity (All team gets +37.5% damage resistance for 30 sec cooldown 12 sec)
--> Hardened Immunity (+75% damage resistance for 30 sec cooldown 12 sec)

And then a Revenant research project!

[VutaatVerd]

Beeno4Life wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...


Man, I hope that's the case. I'd sell my soul for the chance to have Ash in my squad again, even if she's only there for a DLC mission.

I'm also a little curious to see how her skills will translate into the ME2 skill system.

I could see it being like this:
Concussive Shot
Inferno Ammo
Alliance Soldier--> Alliance Renegade (+37.5% Damage, +50% health)
                            --> Alliance Shocktrooper (+50% damage, +37.5% health)
Loyalty Power: Immunity
--> Squad Immunity (All team gets +37.5% damage resistance for 30 sec cooldown 12 sec)
--> Hardened Immunity (+75% damage resistance for 30 sec cooldown 12 sec)

And then a Revenant research project!

I think two could be changed Concussive Shot and Inferno Ammo, both of these are used by a lot of classes/Squadmates.

1. Immunity
--> Squad Immunity (All team gets +37.5% damage resistance for 30 sec cooldown 12 sec)
--> Hardened Immunity (+75% damage resistance for 30 sec cooldown 12 sec)

2. Grenade (Damage within 4 meters)
--> Frag Grenade (+67.8% Damage within 10 meters)
--> High Explosive Grenade (+48.7% Damage within 20 meters)


3. Alliance Soldier
--> Alliance Renegade (+37.5% Damage, +50% health)
--> Alliance Shocktrooper (+50% damage, +37.5% health)

4. Loyalty Power: Boomstick (unlocks Heavy Weapons)
--> Overpower (+57.6% Damage to Shotgun and Heavy Weapons)
--> Survivor/Specialist (+46.5% Ammo Capacity from Shotguns and Heavy Weapons)


Well these are my thoughts.


***Edit***

I like the thought on Shepards Cusomized Armor(s) and think that Ashley (or all) should have the same options. Possible use the left over gear that Shepard is not currently using as possible choices.

Oh snap Ashley in Dragon Armor...(needs a Helmet toggle)

Modifié par VutaatVerd, 07 janvier 2011 - 10:03 .

[Aigyl]

Raanz wrote...
Oh well, Ash fans (and Kaidan fans) will soon have the last laugh. I'm a confident fellow and I think one to two weeks after the PS3 release of ME2 (Jan 18th here in the states), we will start hearing hints for the next bridging DLC, which obviously will be VS centric.
Oh yes, I said it.

Thar be rumours a recent CDN report hints at the new DLC. If so then it looks to be Alliance-related.

And yes, I know what you're thinking if this is indeed an Alliance DLC. I can't wait to see Udina back in action either.


/returns to lurk-mode in awesome thread

[Clone 071]

Beeno4Life wrote...

I could see it being like this:
Concussive Shot
Inferno Ammo
Alliance Soldier--> Alliance Renegade (+37.5% Damage, +50% health)
                            --> Alliance Shocktrooper (+50% damage, +37.5% health)
Loyalty Power: Immunity
--> Squad Immunity (All team gets +37.5% damage resistance for 30 sec cooldown 12 sec)
--> Hardened Immunity (+75% damage resistance for 30 sec cooldown 12 sec)

And then a Revenant research project!

As much as I hate seeing Concussive Shot, I see no other alternative for a soldier other than a frag grenade ability. Or maybe they could bring back Overkill. 
However, like Jacob, she'd probably max out at +40% health instead of +50%. Just to be fair.

My ME2 Ash-
Weapon proficiencies: Assault rifle, sniper rifle (ME2 style, but should be all in truth)
Frag Grenade
--> High Explosive Grenade (200 damage, 7.00 meter impact radius, 4.00 sec incapacitation, 12.00 sec recharge)
--> Improved Frag Grenade (160 damage, 9.00 meter impact radius, 6.00 sec incapacitation, 9.00 sec recharge)
Incendiary Ammo
--> Inferno Ammo (+60% weapon damage)
--> Squad Incendiary Ammo (+40 weapon damage for all squad members)
Alliance Soldier
--> Alliance Shocktrooper (+37.5% Damage, +40% health, -15% ability recharge)
--> Alliance Commando (+50% damage, +30% health, -15% ability recharge)
Loyalty Power: Immunity
--> Squad Immunity (All team gets +30% damage resistance for 60 sec, cooldown 20 sec)
--> Hardened Immunity (+50% damage resistance for 30 sec, cooldown 20 sec)
Normandy research project: M-76 Revenant Machine Gun

Any thoughts? Comments?

[GRISHASAUR]

Aigyl wrote...

Raanz wrote...
Oh well, Ash fans (and Kaidan fans) will soon have the last laugh. I'm a confident fellow and I think one to two weeks after the PS3 release of ME2 (Jan 18th here in the states), we will start hearing hints for the next bridging DLC, which obviously will be VS centric.
Oh yes, I said it.

Thar be rumours a recent CDN report hints at the new DLC. If so then it looks to be Alliance-related.

And yes, I know what you're thinking if this is indeed an Alliance DLC. I can't wait to see Udina back in action either.


/returns to lurk-mode in awesome thread

i dont get it?

[ADLegend21]

GRISHASAUR wrote...

Aigyl wrote...

Raanz wrote...
Oh well, Ash fans (and Kaidan fans) will soon have the last laugh. I'm a confident fellow and I think one to two weeks after the PS3 release of ME2 (Jan 18th here in the states), we will start hearing hints for the next bridging DLC, which obviously will be VS centric.
Oh yes, I said it.

Thar be rumours a recent CDN report hints at the new DLC. If so then it looks to be Alliance-related.

And yes, I know what you're thinking if this is indeed an Alliance DLC. I can't wait to see Udina back in action either.


/returns to lurk-mode in awesome thread

i dont get it?

it's sarcasm, cuz an Alliance DLC has to have the VS in it and the Human Councilor, who can be Udina.

[VutaatVerd]

Clone 071 wrote...

Beeno4Life wrote...

I could see it being like this:
Concussive Shot
Inferno Ammo
Alliance Soldier--> Alliance Renegade (+37.5% Damage, +50% health)
                            --> Alliance Shocktrooper (+50% damage, +37.5% health)
Loyalty Power: Immunity
--> Squad Immunity (All team gets +37.5% damage resistance for 30 sec cooldown 12 sec)
--> Hardened Immunity (+75% damage resistance for 30 sec cooldown 12 sec)

And then a Revenant research project!

As much as I hate seeing Concussive Shot, I see no other alternative for a soldier other than a frag grenade ability. Or maybe they could bring back Overkill. 
However, like Jacob, she'd probably max out at +40% health instead of +50%. Just to be fair.

My ME2 Ash-
Weapon proficiencies: Assault rifle, sniper rifle (ME2 style, but should be all in truth)
Frag Grenade
--> High Explosive Grenade (200 damage, 7.00 meter impact radius, 4.00 sec incapacitation, 12.00 sec recharge)
--> Improved Frag Grenade (160 damage, 9.00 meter impact radius, 6.00 sec incapacitation, 9.00 sec recharge)
Incendiary Ammo
--> Inferno Ammo (+60% weapon damage)
--> Squad Incendiary Ammo (+40 weapon damage for all squad members)
Alliance Soldier
--> Alliance Shocktrooper (+37.5% Damage, +40% health, -15% ability recharge)
--> Alliance Commando (+50% damage, +30% health, -15% ability recharge)
Loyalty Power: Immunity
--> Squad Immunity (All team gets +30% damage resistance for 60 sec, cooldown 20 sec)
--> Hardened Immunity (+50% damage resistance for 30 sec, cooldown 20 sec)
Normandy research project: M-76 Revenant Machine Gun

Any thoughts? Comments?

First Jacob is part Boitic and Ashley is a Pure Soldier, I think she could have the +50% health.
I dont like the idea of another Ammo Power up for Ashley, I think Immunity or Grenade should replace that.
I will say this I think the Loyalty power I listed was pure win. ( you know it is too)
Two weapons...nope get her all four (Five is Boomstick is unlocked, see my post) Assault Rifle, Sniper Rifle, Shotgun, and SMG.

[DWH1982]

VutaatVerd wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

Beeno4Life wrote...

I could see it being like this:
Concussive Shot
Inferno Ammo
Alliance Soldier--> Alliance Renegade (+37.5% Damage, +50% health)
                            --> Alliance Shocktrooper (+50% damage, +37.5% health)
Loyalty Power: Immunity
--> Squad Immunity (All team gets +37.5% damage resistance for 30 sec cooldown 12 sec)
--> Hardened Immunity (+75% damage resistance for 30 sec cooldown 12 sec)

And then a Revenant research project!

As much as I hate seeing Concussive Shot, I see no other alternative for a soldier other than a frag grenade ability. Or maybe they could bring back Overkill. 
However, like Jacob, she'd probably max out at +40% health instead of +50%. Just to be fair.

My ME2 Ash-
Weapon proficiencies: Assault rifle, sniper rifle (ME2 style, but should be all in truth)
Frag Grenade
--> High Explosive Grenade (200 damage, 7.00 meter impact radius, 4.00 sec incapacitation, 12.00 sec recharge)
--> Improved Frag Grenade (160 damage, 9.00 meter impact radius, 6.00 sec incapacitation, 9.00 sec recharge)
Incendiary Ammo
--> Inferno Ammo (+60% weapon damage)
--> Squad Incendiary Ammo (+40 weapon damage for all squad members)
Alliance Soldier
--> Alliance Shocktrooper (+37.5% Damage, +40% health, -15% ability recharge)
--> Alliance Commando (+50% damage, +30% health, -15% ability recharge)
Loyalty Power: Immunity
--> Squad Immunity (All team gets +30% damage resistance for 60 sec, cooldown 20 sec)
--> Hardened Immunity (+50% damage resistance for 30 sec, cooldown 20 sec)
Normandy research project: M-76 Revenant Machine Gun

Any thoughts? Comments?

First Jacob is part Boitic and Ashley is a Pure Soldier, I think she could have the +50% health.
I dont like the idea of another Ammo Power up for Ashley, I think Immunity or Grenade should replace that.
I will say this I think the Loyalty power I listed was pure win. ( you know it is too)
Two weapons...nope get her all four (Five is Boomstick is unlocked, see my post) Assault Rifle, Sniper Rifle, Shotgun, and SMG.

Not sure I agree about giving her SMG.

I see the SMG as a weapon used by classes that focus more on being lightly armored and moving quickly. Basically, classes that are more like what we think of as "agents" than marines.

Soldiers focus more on pounding through with brute strength. In my mind, the SMG is a less acceptable weapon for them, even as it makes more sense for them to use all other weapons.

Also, I think giving a soldier the SMG rather removes one of the unique factors that distinguish soldiers from other classes. It makes everyone a little less special.

Modifié par DWH1982, 07 janvier 2011 - 11:46 .

[Clone 071]

VutaatVerd wrote...

First Jacob is part Boitic and Ashley is a Pure Soldier, I think she could have the +50% health.
I dont like the idea of another Ammo Power up for Ashley, I think Immunity or Grenade should replace that.
I will say this I think the Loyalty power I listed was pure win. ( you know it is too)
Two weapons...nope get her all four (Five is Boomstick is unlocked, see my post) Assault Rifle, Sniper Rifle, Shotgun, and SMG.

Now that I think of it, yeah, I'll go with the +50% health. My initial thought was that that Grunt should be top dog when it comes to health bonuses. (excluding the Krogan Vitality research) He has more initial health than other squad members anyway.
As for the ammo power, I thought she had to be given a power already from the game. Just noting that Liara was given the warp and even the singularity abilty. (adept Shep has that)
I do admit I like the one you listed. But just thinking about Ash running around with the Cain made me think otherwise: I really don't want to be killed by friendly fire.  (It took me a while to come up with my list along with numerous distractions, so at the time I started typing up, you didn't post yet.)
As I said, truthfully, she should have all 4 basic weapons. (heavy pistol, but no SMG) But knowing BioWare, they'll more than likely end up giving her 2 anyway, and those were the ones I thought she'd most likely use.

Modifié par Clone 071, 08 janvier 2011 - 12:15 .

[IndigoWolfe]

Since she's an information broker, if Liara got in touch with Ashley at some point after Horizon and told her that an unfaithful Shepard was seeing someone else, would she be crossing a line?

[DWH1982]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Since she's an information broker, if Liara got in touch with Ashley at some point after Horizon and told her that an unfaithful Shepard was seeing someone else, would she be crossing a line?

Yes. Shepard and Ashley's relationship is their own business. Shepard should talk to Ashely about their relationship at some point, regardless of whether or not he has moved on... But they should be left to work that out on their own, without Liara's intrusion.

Fortunately, I doubt Liara would actually do something like that.

[Clone 071]

DWH1982 wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Since she's an information broker, if Liara got in touch with Ashley at some point after Horizon and told her that an unfaithful Shepard was seeing someone else, would she be crossing a line?

Yes. Shepard and Ashley's relationship is their own business. Shepard should talk to Ashely about their relationship at some point, regardless of whether or not he has moved on... But they should be left to work that out on their own, without Liara's intrusion.

Fortunately, I doubt Liara would actually do something like that.

I bet we'd get that "cat fight" that wouldn't happen in ME1 if she did.

Modifié par Clone 071, 08 janvier 2011 - 01:00 .

[Badpie]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Since she's an information broker, if Liara got in touch with Ashley at some point after Horizon and told her that an unfaithful Shepard was seeing someone else, would she be crossing a line?

Yes. It's none of her business.  

And OH MY GOD enough of the catfight BS!  Sorry it's just...everywhere.

Modifié par Badpie, 08 janvier 2011 - 01:12 .

[PrinceLionheart]

 I could see Liara advising Shepard on being honest with Ash, but she'd hardly intentionally start a fight between the two.

[Clone 071]

Badpie wrote...

And OH MY GOD enough of the catfight BS!  Sorry it's just...everywhere.

Huh, really? Sorry, I just haven't seen any yet. Don't mean to offend anyone.
Noted and moving on.

Modifié par Clone 071, 08 janvier 2011 - 01:21 .

[DWH1982]

I doubt Liara would even pass the info along.

I suspect Asari look at relationships differently than humans. Remember - Ash, not Liara, is the one who objects to the idea of Shepard being in a relationship with both if Shepard is sleazy enough to propose the idea.

So, I'm thinking Liara wouldn't really think much of it if she found out (or... ugh... saw footage) that Shepard was sleeping with Miranda or letting Kelly strip for him, or whatever. Due to differing world views, it might not even occur to her that Ash might find it offensive, and even if it did, Liara would likely be reluctant to get involved out of her own views on the complexities of relationships and love.

Modifié par DWH1982, 08 janvier 2011 - 01:19 .

[Badpie]

Sorry. I didn't mean to snap. There have been threads and comments that are all "ooooh I hope so and so and such her face get into a CATFIGHT over Shepard!" And it just annoys me that people want to see that. Because none of these female characters would ever stoop that low***. It's unlike all of them. I realize you were being so I'm sorry. Really.



***Well...except Kelly.  I feel like Kelly would cut a b*tch.

Modifié par Badpie, 08 janvier 2011 - 01:22 .

[DWH1982]

Badpie wrote...

Sorry. I didn't mean to snap. There have been threads and comments that are all "ooooh I hope so and so and such her face get into a CATFIGHT over Shepard!" And it just annoys me that people want to see that. Because none of these female characters would ever stoop that low***. It's unlike all of them. I realize you were being so I'm sorry. Really.



***Well...except Kelly.  I feel like Kelly would cut a b*tch.

Yes, I mostly agree with you. Except on Kelly, who I think is treated a little unfairly at times.

As for Ash... I could see her making some snarky remarks about the situation at some point, but probably nothing beyond that.

[PrinceLionheart]

DWH1982 wrote...

So, I'm thinking Liara wouldn't really think much of it if she found out (or... ugh... saw footage) that Shepard was sleeping with Miranda or letting Kelly strip for him, or whatever. Due to differing world views, it might not even occur to her that Ash might find it offensive, and even if it did, Liara would likely be reluctant to get involved out of her own views on the complexities of relationships and love.

God forbid Ashley gets mad at Shep for sleeping with another woman though. That would give her haters even more ammo.

[Badpie]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

So, I'm thinking Liara wouldn't really think much of it if she found out (or... ugh... saw footage) that Shepard was sleeping with Miranda or letting Kelly strip for him, or whatever. Due to differing world views, it might not even occur to her that Ash might find it offensive, and even if it did, Liara would likely be reluctant to get involved out of her own views on the complexities of relationships and love.

God forbid Ashley gets mad at Shep for sleeping with another woman though. That would give her haters even more ammo.

Right?  How dare she have a sense of self worth and independence and command a certain amount of respect from someone?  Pfft.  Crazy b*tch.  /sarcasm.

:innocent: