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[Clone 071]

Badpie wrote...

Sorry. I didn't mean to snap. There have been threads and comments that are all "ooooh I hope so and so and such her face get into a CATFIGHT over Shepard!" And it just annoys me that people want to see that. Because none of these female characters would ever stoop that low. It's unlike all of them. I realize you were being so I'm sorry. Really.

Eh, no harm done. I just need to be a little more careful with what I say.
I do agree with you there though. They wouldn't stoop that low with the exception of Kelly.

[Badpie]

Haha. I do like Kelly, but it's fun for me to think she's a closet possessive gal who may or may not sneak into Shepard's room to sniff his pillow when he's out.

[ADLegend21]

I know if I was Liara I'd rat out Shepard for cheating on Ashley, unless Shepard Genuinly fell in love with a ME2 LI. If it was just to spite Ashley for Horizon Liara should drop Ashley a line and fill her in. It's the friendship Dillemma though when these things happen, to tell or not to tell.

[DWH1982]

I feel kind of bad for Kelly.

I think she had the potential to be a very interesting character and LI. Instead, Bioware decided that we needed a secretary that we can screw around with on the side if we want to.

I choose to look at Kelly as someone who's a little younger and less experienced than Shepard and most of the ground crew, and who is very naive as a result. A character with a lot of potential - but she needs to learn to demand a little more from the people she gets involved with. Or at least to be a little more careful.

Maybe she should spend some time hanging out with Ash when she joins the crew. I wonder what Ash's reaction would be to her?

Modifié par DWH1982, 08 janvier 2011 - 02:47 .

[DWH1982]

ADLegend21 wrote...

I know if I was Liara I'd rat out Shepard for cheating on Ashley, unless Shepard Genuinly fell in love with a ME2 LI. If it was just to spite Ashley for Horizon Liara should drop Ashley a line and fill her in. It's the friendship Dillemma though when these things happen, to tell or not to tell.

I think there's a good chance that Ash would be as angry at Liara for butting into their relationship as she would be at Shepard for cheating.

Also, I'd like to point out that it's an open question as to whether or not getting with a ME2 LI can even be considered "cheating." After Horizon, the ME1 relationship is unsettled, to say the least. It is not entirely clear where Ash and Shepard stand.

I think the decent thing for Shepard to do is to wait until his relationship with Ash can be sorted out. My Shepard never makes a move on Miranda, and never even invites Kelly up to dinner, partly for that reason, even though he might otherwise be interested in either one of them..  Mostly, though, it's just because he's head over heels for Ash - and even if he knew that the relationship were over, it would likely take him some time before he could really move on.  I mean, to him, everything with Ash was just a few weeks ago...

[Badpie]

DWH1982 wrote...

Maybe she should spend some time hanging out with Ash when she joins the crew. I wonder what Ash's reaction would be to her?

I don't think Ash would really trust anyone that's so sunny and optimistic.  She'd be convinced she's hiding something.  Not necessarily anything big, just some little secret about who she is.  I don't think Ash would be very open with Kelly, but she would be civil.

And I agree that Ash would be angry with Liara for butting in.  Any adult would be.

Modifié par Badpie, 08 janvier 2011 - 02:52 .

[ADLegend21]

DWH1982 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I know if I was Liara I'd rat out Shepard for cheating on Ashley, unless Shepard Genuinly fell in love with a ME2 LI. If it was just to spite Ashley for Horizon Liara should drop Ashley a line and fill her in. It's the friendship Dillemma though when these things happen, to tell or not to tell.

I think there's a good chance that Ash would be as angry at Liara for butting into their relationship as she would be at Shepard for cheating.

Also, I'd like to point out that it's an open question as to whether or not getting with a ME2 LI can even be considered "cheating." After Horizon, the ME1 relationship is unsettled, to say the least. It is not entirely clear where Ash and Shepard stand.

I think the decent thing for Shepard to do is to wait until his relationship with Ash can be sorted out. My Shepard never makes a move on Miranda, and never even invites Kelly up to dinner, partly for that reason, even though he might otherwise be interested in either one of them..  Mostly, though, it's just because he's head over heels for Ash - and even if he knew that the relationship were over, it would likely take him some time before he could really move on.  I mean, to him, everything with Ash was just a few weeks ago...

Shepard is off grid, I'm pretty sure Ashley wouldn't be made at Liara for being able to keep tabs on them during their mission and I'm sure she'd thank Liara for not letting shepard get away with wronging her, since Ash cna't physically catch her in the act since she's not on the Normandy SR-2.

[DWH1982]

ADLegend21 wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I know if I was Liara I'd rat out Shepard for cheating on Ashley, unless Shepard Genuinly fell in love with a ME2 LI. If it was just to spite Ashley for Horizon Liara should drop Ashley a line and fill her in. It's the friendship Dillemma though when these things happen, to tell or not to tell.

I think there's a good chance that Ash would be as angry at Liara for butting into their relationship as she would be at Shepard for cheating.

Also, I'd like to point out that it's an open question as to whether or not getting with a ME2 LI can even be considered "cheating." After Horizon, the ME1 relationship is unsettled, to say the least. It is not entirely clear where Ash and Shepard stand.

I think the decent thing for Shepard to do is to wait until his relationship with Ash can be sorted out. My Shepard never makes a move on Miranda, and never even invites Kelly up to dinner, partly for that reason, even though he might otherwise be interested in either one of them..  Mostly, though, it's just because he's head over heels for Ash - and even if he knew that the relationship were over, it would likely take him some time before he could really move on.  I mean, to him, everything with Ash was just a few weeks ago...

Shepard is off grid, I'm pretty sure Ashley wouldn't be made at Liara for being able to keep tabs on them during their mission and I'm sure she'd thank Liara for not letting shepard get away with wronging her, since Ash cna't physically catch her in the act since she's not on the Normandy SR-2.

I dunno... if "keeping tabs" on Shep means using the Shadow Broker spy equipment to view footage of Shepard's cabin, I think Ash would be justifiably angry. And probably a little creeped out.

Also, you have to consider the fact that Ash and Liara probably aren't that friendly. I suspect they're civil, but I don't see them hanging out with each other. Not only do they have personalities that are too different, but they were also competitors  for the same man, which created some tension between them. Ash might be tempted to view Liara bringing info about Shepard and another woman as an attempt to sabotage the relationship. I'm sure the thought would at least occur to her - because it would occur to me as well.

Furthermore, I feel that Ash would just be upset at anyone butting into their relationship, given the state that it's in.  In her e-mail, Ash seems to make clear that she still has feelings for Shepard, but she also seems to acknowledge just how uncertain things between them are at the moment.  In all fairness, do we even know if Ash considers herself to still be in a relationship with Shepard?

[ADLegend21]

DWH1982 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I know if I was Liara I'd rat out Shepard for cheating on Ashley, unless Shepard Genuinly fell in love with a ME2 LI. If it was just to spite Ashley for Horizon Liara should drop Ashley a line and fill her in. It's the friendship Dillemma though when these things happen, to tell or not to tell.

I think there's a good chance that Ash would be as angry at Liara for butting into their relationship as she would be at Shepard for cheating.

Also, I'd like to point out that it's an open question as to whether or not getting with a ME2 LI can even be considered "cheating." After Horizon, the ME1 relationship is unsettled, to say the least. It is not entirely clear where Ash and Shepard stand.

I think the decent thing for Shepard to do is to wait until his relationship with Ash can be sorted out. My Shepard never makes a move on Miranda, and never even invites Kelly up to dinner, partly for that reason, even though he might otherwise be interested in either one of them..  Mostly, though, it's just because he's head over heels for Ash - and even if he knew that the relationship were over, it would likely take him some time before he could really move on.  I mean, to him, everything with Ash was just a few weeks ago...

Shepard is off grid, I'm pretty sure Ashley wouldn't be made at Liara for being able to keep tabs on them during their mission and I'm sure she'd thank Liara for not letting shepard get away with wronging her, since Ash cna't physically catch her in the act since she's not on the Normandy SR-2.

I dunno... if "keeping tabs" on Shep means using the Shadow Broker spy equipment to view footage of Shepard's cabin, I think Ash would be justifiably angry. And probably a little creeped out.

Also, you have to consider the fact that Ash and Liara probably aren't that friendly. I suspect they're civil, but I don't see them hanging out with each other. Not only do they have personalities that are too different, but they were also competitors  for the same man, which created some tension between them. Ash might be tempted to view Liara bringing info about Shepard and another woman as an attempt to sabotage the relationship. I'm sure the thought would at least occur to her - because it would occur to me as well.

Furthermore, I feel that Ash would just be upset at anyone butting into their relationship, given the state that it's in.  In her e-mail, Ash seems to make clear that she still has feelings for Shepard, but she also seems to acknowledge just how uncertain things between them are at the moment.  In all fairness, do we even know if Ash considers herself to still be in a relationship with Shepard?

TI wouldn't even have to be Cabin (or engine room) footage it could be the conversation where Shepard and LI lock in the romance so that they have sex before the Omega-4 Relay that's proof enough that Shep's cheating. Plus if Shepard cheated on Ashley what makes Liara think that Shep wouldn't be a cheater if they got together. She's not Naive and I'm sure she could tell Ashley in a way that doesn't seem like sabotage since I doubt Shep is gonna come clean about getting another LI.

[GRISHASAUR]

fun idea! i got from a fan fic i read the whole crew of the sr2 try to get ash and shep together heres a simp it


Thank you Doctor," Tali examined the surveillance cameras. Everything was in position. After she had recruited Z and Kasumi into her plan to get Ashley and Shepard off their respective high horses, Tali had realized she would need more manpower. After recruiting all the females on the ship, they had gone through a hundred different plans without coming up with a feasible idea. That was when Tali had included more and more of the crew until everyone but Shepard, Ashley, Ken and Jacob were in on her plans.

Right now, all of the crew were holed up in Mordin's Lab, the Port and Starboard observation decks, crew quarters, engineering, The Pit and the Cargo bays. Jacob and Shepard were chatting in engineering, and Chambers was at her normal position on the CIC.

Tali opened her private link with her co-conspirators. =Let the record state that this is the first implementation of Plan 2,078. Plan 2,077, submitted by Chambers, was rejected by Justicar Samara on the grounds that getting them married while drunk would violate an obscure rule of the Justicar Code that has not been enforced in three thousand years. Plan 2,076, submitted by Garrus, was to have Mordin build a time machine, then travel back to when Horizon happened and warn Shepard and Williams that they needed to get together, as their love child would eventually save the human race. This was rejected by 99% of the crew as not only impossible, but probably would have been recognized by Shepard as the plotline for the Terminator films, since our Commander is a connoisseur of 20th century cinema. Grunt's plan to travel back in time to eradicate the turian fleet at Relay 314, thereby saving General Williams from disgrace, and making it probable that Ashley would now be an officer of equal rank to Shepard with a command of her own, negating non-fraternization regulations. This was also dismissed as being impossible=

Tali paused at that moment. =That being said, the plan was well thought out and detailed several changes in the timeline that we would want to watch out for. So…thank you to Grunt for that plan. Anyway, let's get this started=

Modifié par GRISHASAUR, 08 janvier 2011 - 03:16 .

[DWH1982]

ADLegend21 wrote...

TI wouldn't even have to be Cabin (or engine room) footage it could be the conversation where Shepard and LI lock in the romance so that they have sex before the Omega-4 Relay that's proof enough that Shep's cheating. Plus if Shepard cheated on Ashley what makes Liara think that Shep wouldn't be a cheater if they got together. She's not Naive and I'm sure she could tell Ashley in a way that doesn't seem like sabotage since I doubt Shep is gonna come clean about getting another LI.

Those are fair points, although I was (kind of) joking about footage from Shepard's cabin.

However, it still doesn't address the uncertain status of Shepard and Ashley's relationship. It's never even made clear that Ashely still considers herself in a relationship with Shepard after Horizon. All we have is one e-mail, and one that likely did not tell everything. Do we know for sure that Ashley hasn't moved on?  Do we know for sure that she hasn't been in another relationship - or that she isn't in one now?

All we know is that Ashley and Shepard have a LOT to work out, regardless of whether Shepard "cheated."  I think Ashley would want to be able to sit down with Shepard and work these things out on her own, without Liara - or anyone else - getting involved. I think she would get angry if anyone tried to butt in at this point, especially without giving Shepard the chance to be honest about moving on to someone else. Yeah, he might not be honest, but I think that depends on how you play your Shepard - some Shepards may be more willing to be honest than others.

Also, we have to address the fact that Liara (and most Asari) may very well have different views on sex and relationships than Ash (and most humans).  What might be obvious cheating to Ash could very well be viewed by Liara as Shepard "blowing off some steam."

Modifié par DWH1982, 08 janvier 2011 - 03:19 .

[Badpie]

DWH1982 wrote...


Furthermore, I feel that Ash would just be upset at anyone butting into their relationship, given the state that it's in.  In her e-mail, Ash seems to make clear that she still has feelings for Shepard, but she also seems to acknowledge just how uncertain things between them are at the moment.  In all fairness, do we even know if Ash considers herself to still be in a relationship with Shepard?

She surely doesn't consider them "together."  They stopped being "together" when he died.   When she said in her letter "I haven't let myself think about those memories in more than a year" I figured she was saying "One day I realized I had to move on, so it was hard but I did."  The letter also expresses her confusion and her mixed emotions about not knowing what the future holds.  Because I don't think she does know.  There's no guarantee that the two of them will be together again.  But she was certainly  honest about not being able to lose him again and I think that said a lot.

So while the two of them probably still have real feelings for each other, it is inaccurate to say it's "cheating" if Shepard moves on.  "Jerky," maybe.  But not technically wrong.

Modifié par Badpie, 08 janvier 2011 - 03:22 .

[Batlass8]

I think Ash would be irritated with Liara for getting involved because, frankly, Ash and Shep are adults, and whatever relationship they may or may not have is no one's business but their own.  (And the Alliance's, I suppose, but that's another whole set of issues...)

[Badpie]

Batlass8 wrote...

I think Ash would be irritated with Liara for getting involved because, frankly, Ash and Shep are adults, and whatever relationship they may or may not have is no one's business but their own.  (And the Alliance's, I suppose, but that's another whole set of issues...)

QFT

[Lord Zeuss]

The uncertainty of whether or not Shep and Ash are still in a relationship is *precisely* the reason Shepard shouldn't be out having flings. Until they've worked things out and figured out exactly where they stand with regard to each other, whether to get back together or not, Shepard should not be getting with another woman.



As for Indigo's question, I'd like to know just what business Liara would be engaging in to come across such condemning evidence of infidelity. I could draw all sorts of conclusions about Liara's state of mind and such, but in the event that purely by accident (rather than by deliberate design) she came to such knowledge,no, I don't think it's any of her business to get involved. I would *hope* she would have the good sense not to involve herself.

[Xilizhra]

Badpie wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

So, I'm thinking Liara wouldn't really think much of it if she found out (or... ugh... saw footage) that Shepard was sleeping with Miranda or letting Kelly strip for him, or whatever. Due to differing world views, it might not even occur to her that Ash might find it offensive, and even if it did, Liara would likely be reluctant to get involved out of her own views on the complexities of relationships and love.

God forbid Ashley gets mad at Shep for sleeping with another woman though. That would give her haters even more ammo.

Right?  How dare she have a sense of self worth and independence and command a certain amount of respect from someone?  Pfft.  Crazy b*tch.  /sarcasm.

:innocent:

I may have mentioned this before, but it'd definitely draw fire from people comparing her to Liara in that matter.

[DWH1982]

Xilizhra wrote...

Badpie wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

So, I'm thinking Liara wouldn't really think much of it if she found out (or... ugh... saw footage) that Shepard was sleeping with Miranda or letting Kelly strip for him, or whatever. Due to differing world views, it might not even occur to her that Ash might find it offensive, and even if it did, Liara would likely be reluctant to get involved out of her own views on the complexities of relationships and love.

God forbid Ashley gets mad at Shep for sleeping with another woman though. That would give her haters even more ammo.

Right?  How dare she have a sense of self worth and independence and command a certain amount of respect from someone?  Pfft.  Crazy b*tch.  /sarcasm.

:innocent:

I may have mentioned this before, but it'd definitely draw fire from people comparing her to Liara in that matter.

Which is a shame... We should expect Ash and Liara to have two different reactions to Shepard moving on, given that they're two different people.

Modifié par DWH1982, 08 janvier 2011 - 04:04 .

[Batlass8]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

The uncertainty of whether or not Shep and Ash are still in a relationship is *precisely* the reason Shepard shouldn't be out having flings. Until they've worked things out and figured out exactly where they stand with regard to each other, whether to get back together or not, Shepard should not be getting with another woman.

I'm quoting you here Zeuss, because I agree with what I believe is your underlying belief here: Shepard should be mature and respectful of whatever relationship he had with Ashley.  Whether or not they're still 'together' isn't the issue as much as what's (for lack of a better word) polite in this situation.  It's just rude (read: asinine) for Shepard who was involved with Ash up until a few weeks ago (from his POV) to suddenly 'move on.'  That being said, I admit to a double standard in that I wouldn't blame Ashley for having begun a new relationship, because (from her POV), Shepard died two years ago.  I see death as more firmly putting an end to a relationship than anything else known to man (unless you're Emily Grierson), so it's understandable that Ash might have found someone new.  For Shep though, being 'spoken for' as far as he knows, and knowing Ashley is at least open to talking about their relationship (as indicated by her email), a new LI is, IMHO, in poor taste.

[Errol Dnamyx]

DWH1982 wrote...
Yes, I mostly agree with you. Except on Kelly, who I think is treated a little unfairly at times.

Kelly is treated like the red headed step child sometimes, it's true. heh

Modifié par Errol Dnamyx, 08 janvier 2011 - 09:11 .

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

the fact that shepard feels like its only been a couple weeks would make it wrong, if i were in love with someone like her then after two weeks of not being together and it not even being my choice.. I would still have the strongest feelings for her so i think it would be wrong and would have every right to be upset if he went off with someone else that fast, i never had a LI with anyone else i just couldent bring myself to do it

[Cossack72]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

The uncertainty of whether or not Shep and Ash are still in a relationship is *precisely* the reason Shepard shouldn't be out having flings. Until they've worked things out and figured out exactly where they stand with regard to each other, whether to get back together or not, Shepard should not be getting with another woman.

As for Indigo's question, I'd like to know just what business Liara would be engaging in to come across such condemning evidence of infidelity. I could draw all sorts of conclusions about Liara's state of mind and such, but in the event that purely by accident (rather than by deliberate design) she came to such knowledge,no, I don't think it's any of her business to get involved. I would *hope* she would have the good sense not to involve herself.

You think she would mind us being friendly with Kelly for the sole purpose of having her feed our fish? I hope not; I can't be bothered to feed those damn things while I'm saving the galaxy

[Lord Zeuss]

Cossack72 wrote...

You think she would mind us being friendly with Kelly for the sole purpose of having her feed our fish? I hope not; I can't be bothered to feed those damn things while I'm saving the galaxy

As long as the fish-feeding was all that came of it.

*Off-topic: Kelly is unfairly criticized.*

[PrinceLionheart]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

As long as the fish-feeding was all that came of it.

I can see her make a quip or sarcastic comment about it. But does Liara make a comment about Kelly?

[DWH1982]

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

the fact that shepard feels like its only been a couple weeks would make it wrong, if i were in love with someone like her then after two weeks of not being together and it not even being my choice.. I would still have the strongest feelings for her so i think it would be wrong and would have every right to be upset if he went off with someone else that fast, i never had a LI with anyone else i just couldent bring myself to do it

You're assuming that Shepard really is in love with Ash.

My Shepard is in love with Ash, and I suspect that's true for many, if not most, of the Shepards played by people on this thread.  However, I imagine that some Shepards may have viewed the night before Illos as little more than a chance to screw around with the hot marine on their squad.  Renegade Shepards, in particular, aren't known for their emotional maturity or concern for the feelings of others.

You have to keep that in mind.  It all depends on how people play - and perceive - their own character.

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

As long as the fish-feeding was all that came of it.

I can see her make a quip or sarcastic comment about it. But does Liara make a comment about Kelly?

Ah yes, "fish feeding."

I don't bother with buying animals.  Purchasing pets right before I'm about to take the ship on what everyone seems to think is a suicide mission strikes me as animal cruelty. Besides, I don't want Kelly to have any reason to be in my cabin at all. I don't want any chance of sending wrong messages. That picture of Ash is on my desk for a reason.

Modifié par DWH1982, 08 janvier 2011 - 05:46 .