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[Telemachus78]

You pretty much said it all. DWH1982

Modifié par Telemachus78, 08 janvier 2011 - 10:00 .

[Badpie]

I don't buy fish either. They always die. And I just can't bring myself to flirt with Kelly much. I feel kind of forced into it. My Shep just isn't really "flirty" even if it is innocent enough so don't even get to the "let's have dinner" conversation with Kelly, which I'm sorry is a date. No matter what you want to tell yourself.

[Mr Plow]

DWH1982 wrote...

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

the fact that shepard feels like its only been a couple weeks would make it wrong, if i were in love with someone like her then after two weeks of not being together and it not even being my choice.. I would still have the strongest feelings for her so i think it would be wrong and would have every right to be upset if he went off with someone else that fast, i never had a LI with anyone else i just couldent bring myself to do it

You're assuming that Shepard really is in love with Ash.

My Shepard is in love with Ash, and I suspect that's true for many, if not most, of the Shepards played by people on this thread.  However, I imagine that some Shepards may have viewed the night before Illos as little more than a chance to screw around with the hot marine on their squad.  Renegade Shepards, in particular, aren't known for their emotional maturity or concern for the feelings of others.

You have to keep that in mind.  It all depends on how people play - and perceive - their own character.

Well said.  Everyone has their own view.  For me the relationship was cut short some - what - a month after Ilos.  It was the early stages of the relationship and it ended on Horizon for my Shepard when both parties were upset.  And I don't think he is some sort of callous traitor for moving on.  

Modifié par Mr Plow, 09 janvier 2011 - 12:07 .

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

Mr Plow wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

the fact that shepard feels like its only been a couple weeks would make it wrong, if i were in love with someone like her then after two weeks of not being together and it not even being my choice.. I would still have the strongest feelings for her so i think it would be wrong and would have every right to be upset if he went off with someone else that fast, i never had a LI with anyone else i just couldent bring myself to do it

You're assuming that Shepard really is in love with Ash.

My Shepard is in love with Ash, and I suspect that's true for many, if not most, of the Shepards played by people on this thread.  However, I imagine that some Shepards may have viewed the night before Illos as little more than a chance to screw around with the hot marine on their squad.  Renegade Shepards, in particular, aren't known for their emotional maturity or concern for the feelings of others.

You have to keep that in mind.  It all depends on how people play - and perceive - their own character.

Well said.  Everyone has their own view.  For me the relationship was cut short some - what - a month after Ilos.  It was the early stages of the relationship and it ended on Horizon for my Shepard when both parties were upset.  And I don't think he is some sort of callous traitor for moving on.  

good point, but its not like the night before Ilos was just any fling, yu had to take ur time to know her and tell her u liked her and all the other stuuf you taled about with her. You had to earn it and really become close

[Beeno4Life]

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

Mr Plow wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

the fact that shepard feels like its only been a couple weeks would make it wrong, if i were in love with someone like her then after two weeks of not being together and it not even being my choice.. I would still have the strongest feelings for her so i think it would be wrong and would have every right to be upset if he went off with someone else that fast, i never had a LI with anyone else i just couldent bring myself to do it

You're assuming that Shepard really is in love with Ash.

My Shepard is in love with Ash, and I suspect that's true for many, if not most, of the Shepards played by people on this thread.  However, I imagine that some Shepards may have viewed the night before Illos as little more than a chance to screw around with the hot marine on their squad.  Renegade Shepards, in particular, aren't known for their emotional maturity or concern for the feelings of others.

You have to keep that in mind.  It all depends on how people play - and perceive - their own character.

Well said.  Everyone has their own view.  For me the relationship was cut short some - what - a month after Ilos.  It was the early stages of the relationship and it ended on Horizon for my Shepard when both parties were upset.  And I don't think he is some sort of callous traitor for moving on.  

good point, but its not like the night before Ilos was just any fling, yu had to take ur time to know her and tell her u liked her and all the other stuuf you taled about with her. You had to earn it and really become close

I find this to ring truer than "they'd only had sex (potentially) for a month".  Sex is not the beginning of a relationship.

[DWH1982]

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

Mr Plow wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

the fact that shepard feels like its only been a couple weeks would make it wrong, if i were in love with someone like her then after two weeks of not being together and it not even being my choice.. I would still have the strongest feelings for her so i think it would be wrong and would have every right to be upset if he went off with someone else that fast, i never had a LI with anyone else i just couldent bring myself to do it

You're assuming that Shepard really is in love with Ash.

My Shepard is in love with Ash, and I suspect that's true for many, if not most, of the Shepards played by people on this thread.  However, I imagine that some Shepards may have viewed the night before Illos as little more than a chance to screw around with the hot marine on their squad.  Renegade Shepards, in particular, aren't known for their emotional maturity or concern for the feelings of others.

You have to keep that in mind.  It all depends on how people play - and perceive - their own character.

Well said.  Everyone has their own view.  For me the relationship was cut short some - what - a month after Ilos.  It was the early stages of the relationship and it ended on Horizon for my Shepard when both parties were upset.  And I don't think he is some sort of callous traitor for moving on.  

good point, but its not like the night before Ilos was just any fling, yu had to take ur time to know her and tell her u liked her and all the other stuuf you taled about with her. You had to earn it and really become close

Some Shepards might have just gone through the motions of building a relationship because they wanted to get into Ash's pants.

I think Ash would normally be careful enough to avoid people like that - but depending on how you play Shepard, it seems clear that he can be exceedingly skilled at being devious.

Also, all of that time amounts to, what... a few months, at most?  I can see how a relationship might die if it were interrupted so quickly.  Even if I'm not willing to let go of my Shepard's relationship with Ash.

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

DWH1982 wrote...

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

Mr Plow wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

the fact that shepard feels like its only been a couple weeks would make it wrong, if i were in love with someone like her then after two weeks of not being together and it not even being my choice.. I would still have the strongest feelings for her so i think it would be wrong and would have every right to be upset if he went off with someone else that fast, i never had a LI with anyone else i just couldent bring myself to do it

You're assuming that Shepard really is in love with Ash.

My Shepard is in love with Ash, and I suspect that's true for many, if not most, of the Shepards played by people on this thread.  However, I imagine that some Shepards may have viewed the night before Illos as little more than a chance to screw around with the hot marine on their squad.  Renegade Shepards, in particular, aren't known for their emotional maturity or concern for the feelings of others.

You have to keep that in mind.  It all depends on how people play - and perceive - their own character.

Well said.  Everyone has their own view.  For me the relationship was cut short some - what - a month after Ilos.  It was the early stages of the relationship and it ended on Horizon for my Shepard when both parties were upset.  And I don't think he is some sort of callous traitor for moving on.  

good point, but its not like the night before Ilos was just any fling, yu had to take ur time to know her and tell her u liked her and all the other stuuf you taled about with her. You had to earn it and really become close

Some Shepards might have just gone through the motions of building a relationship because they wanted to get into Ash's pants.

I think Ash would normally be careful enough to avoid people like that - but depending on how you play Shepard, it seems clear that he can be exceedingly skilled at being devious.

Also, all of that time amounts to, what... a few months, at most?  I can see how a relationship might die if it were interrupted so quickly.  Even if I'm not willing to let go of my Shepard's relationship with Ash.

to me it seemed like a very deep relationship considering the time it took wat they have experienced with eachother, thats me tho

[Lord Zeuss]

Mr Plow wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

the fact that shepard feels like its only been a couple weeks would make it wrong, if i were in love with someone like her then after two weeks of not being together and it not even being my choice.. I would still have the strongest feelings for her so i think it would be wrong and would have every right to be upset if he went off with someone else that fast, i never had a LI with anyone else i just couldent bring myself to do it

You're assuming that Shepard really is in love with Ash.

My Shepard is in love with Ash, and I suspect that's true for many, if not most, of the Shepards played by people on this thread.  However, I imagine that some Shepards may have viewed the night before Illos as little more than a chance to screw around with the hot marine on their squad.  Renegade Shepards, in particular, aren't known for their emotional maturity or concern for the feelings of others.

You have to keep that in mind.  It all depends on how people play - and perceive - their own character.

Well said.  Everyone has their own view.  For me the relationship was cut short some - what - a month after Ilos.  It was the early stages of the relationship and it ended on Horizon for my Shepard when both parties were upset.  And I don't think he is some sort of callous traitor for moving on.  

I guess if the Shepard in question is the sort of person who will just up and quit after one argument, then it probably is for the best if his romance with Ashley is over with. Although I would suggest to those Shepards that they simply not get involved with anyone, ever, unless both parties consent that it is just for the sex and nothing else. Sooner or later *every* dating couple argues, but it doesn't mean they can't/won't reconcile.

[V-rex]

I think we should try to keep the quote boxes a little shorter.  Just a thought.
Anyway, as for my two cents:
I agree with both sides. Of course people can choose to roleplay their Shepard's however they want, it's their right. If they want their Shepard to be a womanizer, or to have found happiness with a new love after considering the relationship with Ashley 'over', then that's fine.

However I think, at least a good portion of the posters here on this thread would agree that in their own personal preference, Ash is the right choice. And that they would prefer the idea of a Shepard who is still madly in love with that beautiful tough woman he met on Eden Prime.

At least, I know I certainly do.

Modifié par V-rex, 09 janvier 2011 - 04:20 .

[DWH1982]

V-rex wrote...

However I think, at least a good portion of the posters here on this thread would agree that in their own personal preference, Ash is the right choice. And that they would prefer the idea of a Shepard who is still madly in love with that beautiful tough woman he met on Eden Prime.

At least, I know I certainly do.

Agreed!

My Shepard was impressed by the woman he met on Eden Prime. I think he started to fall for her back on the Normandy, though, when he saw her smile after he assured her that the incident with the beacon wasn't her fault...

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

DWH1982 wrote...

V-rex wrote...

However I think, at least a good portion of the posters here on this thread would agree that in their own personal preference, Ash is the right choice. And that they would prefer the idea of a Shepard who is still madly in love with that beautiful tough woman he met on Eden Prime.

At least, I know I certainly do.

Agreed!

My Shepard was impressed by the woman he met on Eden Prime. I think he started to fall for her back on the Normandy, though, when he saw her smile after he assured her that the incident with the beacon wasn't her fault...

definatley some of my favorite parts of the game

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

Brodyaha wrote...

You know what I liked about Eden Prime?
I decided to try it one time telling her she abandoned her team (I was a renegade).

She was mad at me after, when I talked to her on the ship. She told me I questioned her competence throughout the mission. And I thought that was awesome that she stood up for herself.

That difference from the first interaction is pretty cool.

i never knew that, thats pretty cool.. Ive never been able to be mean to ash even with my renegade characters lol

[JedTed]

The way i see it is it's been two years since Ashley and Shepard were together and she had believed Shepard to be dead. On Horizon she tells him that she moved on and figure it would be best for Shepard to move on aswell.

However he still remembers the intimate moment they shared the night before Ilos.

Modifié par JedTed, 09 janvier 2011 - 09:16 .

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

JedTed wrote...

The way i see it is it's been two years since Ashley and Shepard were together and she had believed Shepard to be dead. On Horizon she tells him that she moved on and figure it would be best for Shepard to move on aswell.

However he still remembers the intimate moment they shared the night before Ilos.

i could see that ash moved on somewhat  but for shepard its only been 2 weeks, it takes longer then that to get over someone u love, espacialy ash

[LessThanKate]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

I guess if the Shepard in question is the sort of person who will just up and quit after one argument, then it probably is for the best if his romance with Ashley is over with. Although I would suggest to those Shepards that they simply not get involved with anyone, ever, unless both parties consent that it is just for the sex and nothing else. Sooner or later *every* dating couple argues, but it doesn't mean they can't/won't reconcile.

That's what I always saw it as. You see people have their Shepards go for a new love interest...sometimes as a means of "getting back" at the VS, like they enjoy the idea of making Ash/Kai suffer. To me, it seemed like saying, "Ha! That'll teach you to have conflicting feelings about morally ambiguous situations!" I know Verizon was...difficult, but I don't think it was good precedent to completely give up on a relationship. Any relationship.

Of course, I can only speak for my Shepards. I like to think my female Shepard would like to go back to the Alliance first chance she got, anyway, and doesn't blame Ashley for not wanting to leave--after all, my femShep was from Earth, and like Ash, the Alliance gave her a purpose in life. So that one is largely based on faith that she, and the Alliance, will come around.

As for my male one, the Paragade who loves Ash...he's not big on leaps of faith. The truly Renegade way is to turn down everyone and focus on the mission...which is kind of wierd since that's the more realistic way (don't know much about the military, but I'm pretty sure you're supposed to leave the Commander alone). So, at the very least, he did not pursue anyone during the Collector attack because things were escalating, and he already died once. He...generally has concern for his squad, but has to be focused. He's actually more upset about losing her than my nice female Shepard because he's not so sure he'll ever get her back. In fact, some of the post-Verizon Renegade options are...surprisingly emotional:

"Great, another reminder of what I lost in two years. I don't need this." (paraphrased)  

Modifié par LessThanKate, 09 janvier 2011 - 10:07 .

[Badpie]

JedTed wrote...

The way i see it is it's been two years since Ashley and Shepard were together and she had believed Shepard to be dead. On Horizon she tells him that she moved on and figure it would be best for Shepard to move on aswell.

However he still remembers the intimate moment they shared the night before Ilos.

Agreed, but don't forget they had plenty of moments getting close to each other, some of which, if you're completely immersing yourself in the story, we probably didn't even see.  Talking about family, flirting, sharing things with each other, getting to know each other, falling for each other.  These are all just as important as the night before Ilos, which wouldn't have happened if they hadn't already been close to each other for awhile.

As for Ash standing up for herself after Eden Prime, I think I tried the incompetent thing once and after hearing her talk back I immediately loved her even more.  Oh, someone I can't just walk all over and won't fall at my feet if their opinion is different than mine.  AWESOME.  I mean, she may have been out of line, but that's another thing I love about Ash. When it comes to it she follows orders, but she's not some brainless grunt willing to do whatever she's told without making it clear she doesn't like it.

[Lord Zeuss]

LessThanKate wrote...

In fact, some of the post-Verizon Renegade options are...surprisingly emotional:

"Great, another reminder of what I lost in two year. I don't need this crap." (paraphrased)   

[Fixed]

Yes, I liked that line. I thought it served the situation much better than the top Paragon option, for my Shepard at least.

[Xilizhra]

Well... if I ever do a maleshep playthrough, considering that the only purpose of such would be to romance Tali, you've convinced me not to go for Ashley first.

[LessThanKate]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

LessThanKate wrote...

In fact, some of the post-Verizon Renegade options are...surprisingly emotional:

"Great, another reminder of what I lost in two year. I don't need this crap." (paraphrased)   

[Fixed]

Yes, I liked that line. I thought it served the situation much better than the top Paragon option, for my Shepard at least.

That's the ticket, thank you. Yes, I was surprised that things like that and "I miss her. I wish we could have spent more time together," were Renegade. It was a nice reminder that being Renegade is NOT evil or heartless...it often comes across as such, which is why I could never be 100%, but badasses can have hearts, too.

It's kind of funny, in a way. I guess Kelly and Joker are the only ones who have any inclination of how my Shepard feels (not because he likes them more, but because they're the only ones who bothered to ask). So I've got this hardened, tough and gritty ex-marine slaughtering anyone who gets in his way...and in his downtime stares longingly at a picture of a woman, watches a space hamster scurry about and dwells on the good old days. If anyone really knew just how sensitive he could be, he'd die of embarrassment

XD

Xilizhra wrote...

Well... if I ever do a maleshep
playthrough, considering that the only purpose of such would be to
romance Tali, you've convinced me not to go for Ashley first.

 
Ouch...I'm very sorry you're so eager to dismiss all the other romances.

Modifié par LessThanKate, 09 janvier 2011 - 10:32 .

[Xilizhra]

Ouch...I'm very sorry you're so eager to dismiss all the other romances.

It's not quite that. Maleshep is so annoying to play, both for the voice and the fact that I find it a bit harder to get into the character, that Tali is the only reason I might cross over. In all likelihood, I'll just stay with my Femshep and Liara. If Ashley was fem-romanceable, though, I might try her.
Also, let me clarify that statement: what I meant was that I'd now feel bad about cheating on Ash.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 09 janvier 2011 - 10:47 .

[JedTed]

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

JedTed wrote...

The way i see it is it's been two years since Ashley and Shepard were together and she had believed Shepard to be dead. On Horizon she tells him that she moved on and figure it would be best for Shepard to move on aswell.

However he still remembers the intimate moment they shared the night before Ilos.

i could see that ash moved on somewhat  but for shepard its only been 2 weeks, it takes longer then that to get over someone u love, espacialy ash

If Shepard was a REAL man he'd get over her quickly.  Maybe he'd cry in his quarters for an hour or two but after that he would be ready to get back to savin the galaxy.

[LessThanKate]

Xilizhra wrote...

Ouch...I'm very sorry you're so eager to dismiss all the other romances.

It's
not quite that. Maleshep is so annoying to play, both for the voice and
the fact that I find it a bit harder to get into the character, that
Tali is the only reason I might cross over. In all likelihood, I'll just
stay with my Femshep and Liara. If Ashley was fem-romanceable, though, I
might try her.
Also, let me clarify that statement: what I meant was that I'd now feel bad about cheating on Ash.

Good for you, then.

JedTed wrote...

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

JedTed wrote...

The way i see it is it's been two years since Ashley and Shepard were together and she had believed Shepard to be dead. On Horizon she tells him that she moved on and figure it would be best for Shepard to move on aswell.

However he still remembers the intimate moment they shared the night before Ilos.

i could see that ash moved on somewhat  but for shepard its only been 2 weeks, it takes longer then that to get over someone u love, espacialy ash

If Shepard was a REAL man he'd get over her quickly.  Maybe he'd cry in his quarters for an hour or two but after that he would be ready to get back to savin the galaxy.

Are these so called real men so dense they can't have more than one thing on their minds? Since I'm certain we've all finished the game at least once, even the most (alleged) lovesick Shepard still manages to save the galaxy from the Collectors. I don't think anyone's claiming their Shepard obsesses or cries over it. Rather, I'd say some have more of a conscious in that they're sorry for the way the argument went down and don't want to lose a friend/love.  

[Xilizhra]

Are these so called real men so dense they can't have more than one thing on their minds?

That is, in fact, the exact definition of "real man." Similar restrictions apply to "bro."

[Lord Zeuss]

Brodyaha wrote...

You know what I liked about Eden Prime?
I decided to try it one time telling her she abandoned her team (I was a renegade).

She was mad at me after, when I talked to her on the ship. She told me I questioned her competence throughout the mission. And I thought that was awesome that she stood up for herself.

That difference from the first interaction is pretty cool.

Ashley doesn't take no crap from anyone. She's awesome.