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[Chignon]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Ashley doesn't take no crap from anyone. She's awesome.

Truer words have never been spoken.

Modifié par Chignon, 10 janvier 2011 - 12:44 .

[DWH1982]

LessThanKate wrote...

Are these so called real men so dense they can't have more than one thing on their minds? Since I'm certain we've all finished the game at least once, even the most (alleged) lovesick Shepard still manages to save the galaxy from the Collectors. I don't think anyone's claiming their Shepard obsesses or cries over it. Rather, I'd say some have more of a conscious in that they're sorry for the way the argument went down and don't want to lose a friend/love.  

I think most people just want an excuse to try one of the ME2 LIs.  I'd wager that, for a lot of people, Ash didn't stand a chance after they saw Miranda and her combat spandex for the first time.

Sadly, the game seems set up to push people in the direction of leaving their ME1 LI.  I think it's always been worse for people who romanced the Virmire Survivor, but before the Shadow Broker DLC it was pretty bad for people who romanced Liara, as well.

[Beeno4Life]

For every ME2 playthrough, I couldn't cheat on Ash. It wasn't even an option in my mind. So I just made a non-imported character to try a ME2 LI.

[DWH1982]

Beeno4Life wrote...

For every ME2 playthrough, I couldn't cheat on Ash. It wasn't even an option in my mind. So I just made a non-imported character to try a ME2 LI.

Yeah, I can understand that.  I can't bring myself to try the Liara romance in ME1 OR try any of the ME2 romances because it doesn't feel right.

I can't stand the defaults they use for ME1 decisions if I start a non-import ME2 game, though, so I just don't get to experience the ME2 romances. No big deal for me... I've seen a number of them on You Tube and frankly I'm not very impressed.

The only thing I feel like I'm missing out on is the convo with Jack about how her boyfriend died saving her. I really do wish THAT could be accessed without starting a romance.

Modifié par DWH1982, 10 janvier 2011 - 01:29 .

[Cossack72]

"There's some old saw about good things and waiting isn't there?"

I have a feeling that will be the overall message of any intimate VS dialogue, especially with Ash

I hope

Modifié par Cossack72, 10 janvier 2011 - 02:50 .

[LessThanKate]

DWH1982 wrote...

I think most people just want an excuse to try one of the ME2 LIs.  I'd wager that, for a lot of people, Ash didn't stand a chance after they saw Miranda and her combat spandex for the first time.

Sadly, the game seems set up to push people in the direction of leaving their ME1 LI.  I think it's always been worse for people who romanced the Virmire Survivor, but before the Shadow Broker DLC it was pretty bad for people who romanced Liara, as well.

I didn't mean like it was the only reason, just that...it seems to be an added bonus that you're sticking it to the VS. Plus I've yet to see anyone "move on" while expressing guilt about it.

Can't even really call it cheating, Horizon put the whole relationship on standstill. It was probably intended to act as a green light for the new romances, and I can see why Bioware would do it. It still feels wrong to me, but I think I'm just...sentimental.

But yes, it is unfortunate that the VS had so little time in the second game and in a very unflattering light. Whether in the next game or DLC, Kaiden and Ash need to come back in a big way.

[Xilizhra]

I'm beginning to think that the very existence of Virmire poisoned the future relationship possibilities with the survivor. After all, at this point Ashley and Kaidan are more or less interchangeable, with the dialogue strongly favoring Ashley being the one who lived. Two characters in one spot cannot be easy to handle...

[DWH1982]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm beginning to think that the very existence of Virmire poisoned the future relationship possibilities with the survivor. After all, at this point Ashley and Kaidan are more or less interchangeable, with the dialogue strongly favoring Ashley being the one who lived. Two characters in one spot cannot be easy to handle...

Which is why I really think that putting the Virmire decision into the game was a stupid idea.

From a plot and story telling stand point, forcing the player to choose between two very good characters was fanstastic.

However, in terms of continuing the characters in future games... it just doesn't make any sense. I don't think they fully considered the difficulties it would create.

Of course, if they can't handle the Virmire Survivor, I have to wonder how they're going to handle the fact that any one of the ME2 squad members can be dead...

[Sinapus]

Ash does blame herself for the ambush, though. Even if Shepard points out that the Geth are quiet, don't breathe, etc., she'll grasp at the "they have flashlight heads" as a reason why she should have seen it coming. That's more survivor's guilt, though.

[DWH1982]

Sinapus wrote...

Ash does blame herself for the ambush, though. Even if Shepard points out that the Geth are quiet, don't breathe, etc., she'll grasp at the "they have flashlight heads" as a reason why she should have seen it coming. That's more survivor's guilt, though.

Like many people who demand much of themselves, I think Ash is too quick to blame herself when things go wrong sometimes.

EDIT: I forgot about the ambush conversation earlier in the thread.

Yeah, I do sense that Ash blames herself a bit. But that doesn't mean she's going to take crap for it from someone else.

Also, even though she might blame herself for not doing more, I guess it doesn't necessarily mean she blames herself for the entire thing. I've never chewed out Ash on Eden Prime, but the gist I get is that Shepard seems to blame her for getting her entire unit killed.

Modifié par DWH1982, 10 janvier 2011 - 04:45 .

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

with or without having to choose between ashley and kaiden doesnt change the dialog much.. cuz if there was no VS situation they would have to keep both dialogs thru the next games where as to with the virmir situation the same thing.. they both origanaly would have they're own part and will continue too regardless if one dies or not, get what im sayin?

[lawp79]

Just a quick question I would like your thoughts on. What do you think will happen to those who chose to cheat on Ash? I have stayed loyal though I have a multitude of playthroughs a couple of which Shep cheats.

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

lawp79 wrote...

Just a quick question I would like your thoughts on. What do you think will happen to those who chose to cheat on Ash? I have stayed loyal though I have a multitude of playthroughs a couple of which Shep cheats.

Thats scary to think about..

[DWH1982]

lawp79 wrote...

Just a quick question I would like your thoughts on. What do you think will happen to those who chose to cheat on Ash? I have stayed loyal though I have a multitude of playthroughs a couple of which Shep cheats.

If Shepard isn't at least willing to wait until he can sit down with Ash and discuss their relationship before moving on, I personally don't think Ash should be willing to take him back.  It just doesn't seem like her.

That said, I suspect that Bioware will allow the player to get together with Ash again.  Probably the only difference will be different dialogue for someone who stayed "loyal" versus someone who "cheated."  For some reason, Bioware seems to equate having consequences for decisions with "punishing" the player.

Then again, if you break up with one of the ME2 LIs, you can't get back together with them.  So... who knows?  At the very least, a Shepard and Ashley who were romancing each other in ME1 deserve to have one or more long discussions on the state of their relationship, regardless of whether or not Shepard moved on in ME2.

You know, a related question would be: If Ash is back in ME3, how should she react to players who did not romance her in ME1, but are interested in doing so now?

EDIT: I should also note that part of what happens in ME3 might depend on what happens with any Virmire Survivor DLC that is released.

For example - if the DLC provides the opportunity to sleep with Ash without making her aware that you're in a relationship with a member of the ME2 squad, I can't imagine that Ash will be at all happy with you when she's on the squad in ME3 and discovers that you're involved with someone else.

Modifié par DWH1982, 10 janvier 2011 - 06:19 .

[Badpie]

DWH1982 wrote...


For example - if the DLC provides the opportunity to sleep with Ash without making her aware that you're in a relationship with a member of the ME2 squad, I can't imagine that Ash will be at all happy with you when she's on the squad in ME3 and discovers that you're involved with someone else.

I doubt this would happen.  Bioware seems pretty good about the idea you can only be sleeping with one person at a time in their games.  And I love how if you're two timing, someone eventually finds out and says "well...her or me...you gotta choose."  So if anything I think it would be something like that.

That being said, I would hope that if Shepard "moved on" and romanced someone else that there is then no option to get back together with Ash.  That just seems silly.  It's over.  Done.  You made your choice.  Doesn't negate the whole staying friends thing perhaps and working alongside them in dlc or ME3 etc.  But the romance should be a hard stop.

[Raanz]

Badpie wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...


For example - if the DLC provides the opportunity to sleep with Ash without making her aware that you're in a relationship with a member of the ME2 squad, I can't imagine that Ash will be at all happy with you when she's on the squad in ME3 and discovers that you're involved with someone else.

I doubt this would happen.  Bioware seems pretty good about the idea you can only be sleeping with one person at a time in their games.  And I love how if you're two timing, someone eventually finds out and says "well...her or me...you gotta choose."  So if anything I think it would be something like that.

That being said, I would hope that if Shepard "moved on" and romanced someone else that there is then no option to get back together with Ash.  That just seems silly.  It's over.  Done.  You made your choice.  Doesn't negate the whole staying friends thing perhaps and working alongside them in dlc or ME3 etc.  But the romance should be a hard stop.

I agree with you Badpie.
Honestly, I know there will be VS DLC (as much as I can know ) and I am pretty sure it will be a lot like LotSB as far as romances go.
If you romanced A/K then the dialog will hint at that in some spots, if not, it will be very neutral in that regard.  Once the mission is over, then the past romance will get brought up, and if you cheated then it will be concluded then, if you didn't, then you will get that option to continue.  Much like they did with Liara.  I don't suspect they will be breaking any new ground in that regard.

[Cossack72]

Raanz wrote...

Badpie wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...


For example - if the DLC provides the opportunity to sleep with Ash without making her aware that you're in a relationship with a member of the ME2 squad, I can't imagine that Ash will be at all happy with you when she's on the squad in ME3 and discovers that you're involved with someone else.

I doubt this would happen.  Bioware seems pretty good about the idea you can only be sleeping with one person at a time in their games.  And I love how if you're two timing, someone eventually finds out and says "well...her or me...you gotta choose."  So if anything I think it would be something like that.

That being said, I would hope that if Shepard "moved on" and romanced someone else that there is then no option to get back together with Ash.  That just seems silly.  It's over.  Done.  You made your choice.  Doesn't negate the whole staying friends thing perhaps and working alongside them in dlc or ME3 etc.  But the romance should be a hard stop.

I agree with you Badpie.
Honestly, I know there will be VS DLC (as much as I can know ) and I am pretty sure it will be a lot like LotSB as far as romances go.
If you romanced A/K then the dialog will hint at that in some spots, if not, it will be very neutral in that regard.  Once the mission is over, then the past romance will get brought up, and if you cheated then it will be concluded then, if you didn't, then you will get that option to continue.  Much like they did with Liara.  I don't suspect they will be breaking any new ground in that regard.

I'm tempted to say they don't have to, but only as long as the dialogue options are just as deep and revealing as they were in LotSB.

Modifié par Cossack72, 10 janvier 2011 - 09:56 .

[DWH1982]

Badpie wrote...

I doubt this would happen.  Bioware seems pretty good about the idea you can only be sleeping with one person at a time in their games.  And I love how if you're two timing, someone eventually finds out and says "well...her or me...you gotta choose."  So if anything I think it would be something like that.

That being said, I would hope that if Shepard "moved on" and romanced someone else that there is then no option to get back together with Ash.  That just seems silly.  It's over.  Done.  You made your choice.  Doesn't negate the whole staying friends thing perhaps and working alongside them in dlc or ME3 etc.  But the romance should be a hard stop.

You can sleep with Liara in the Shadow Broker DLC even if you're in a relationship with a ME2 squad member.  Your ME2 LI doesn't seem to know about it (or at least doesn't acknowledge it) but Liara will sleep with you, despite bringing up your ME2 LI several times.

My thought was that they might try to do something similar with Ash. Frankly, I'd rather they not, but if they do, they should at least set it up so that Ash doesn't know about the ME2 LI - becuase I can't see her sleeping with Shepard if she knows he's with someone else.

[Lord Zeuss]

DWH1982 wrote...

You can sleep with Liara in the Shadow Broker DLC even if you're in a relationship with a ME2 squad member.  Your ME2 LI doesn't seem to know about it (or at least doesn't acknowledge it) but Liara will sleep with you, despite bringing up your ME2 LI several times.

My thought was that they might try to do something similar with Ash. Frankly, I'd rather they not, but if they do, they should at least set it up so that Ash doesn't know about the ME2 LI - because I can't see her sleeping with Shepard if she knows he's with someone else.

Consequence fail. They might as well not have even bothered.

[DWH1982]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

You can sleep with Liara in the Shadow Broker DLC even if you're in a relationship with a ME2 squad member.  Your ME2 LI doesn't seem to know about it (or at least doesn't acknowledge it) but Liara will sleep with you, despite bringing up your ME2 LI several times.

My thought was that they might try to do something similar with Ash. Frankly, I'd rather they not, but if they do, they should at least set it up so that Ash doesn't know about the ME2 LI - because I can't see her sleeping with Shepard if she knows he's with someone else.

Consequence fail. They might as well not have even bothered.

I agree, I would have preferred to see that play out differently. However, someone pointed out that Asari, including Liara, may very likely view relationships differently than humans. I think there's a lot to that argument, and it might not be entirely out of character for Liara to sleep with Shepard, even if he's in a relationship with someone else. Remember - Ash is the one who objects in ME1 if Shepard proposes that he should get to be with both of them. Liara remains silent.

For those reasons, though, an Ash DLC should not allow Shepard to sleep with Ash if she is aware he's in a relationship with someone else.  If the player can cheat on their ME2 LI with Ash, there should be consequences for it when Ash finds out in ME3 that Shepard was involved with someone else. I can't imagine it being something she'd be happy about.

[DWH1982]

I agree, Ash should call him out on it. If they have a writer who can actually capture Ash well, it would be a good scene.

Ash doesn't take crap from anyone.

Modifié par DWH1982, 11 janvier 2011 - 01:45 .

[ADLegend21]

I would not like where if you got a new LI in ME2 that Ashley won't take you back at all. That'd just ruins the whole "you make the decision" mystique about the game because the decision is made for you if she won't take you back. I would like her to all Shep on it Like Liara, but how on earth would she possibly know these things without someone telling her since she doens't have an information network and Shepard's work is classified to her?

[DWH1982]

ADLegend21 wrote...

I would not like where if you got a new LI in ME2 that Ashley won't take you back at all. That'd just ruins the whole "you make the decision" mystique about the game because the decision is made for you if she won't take you back. I would like her to all Shep on it Like Liara, but how on earth would she possibly know these things without someone telling her since she doens't have an information network and Shepard's work is classified to her?

If you're still with someone by the time ME3 rolls around, I think she'd notice.

It might be a little more difficult for her to find out if you break up with the ME2 LI before ME3 starts, though.

Still, I don't think it would ruin the decision making aspect of the game. If anything, it would reinforce it. Decisions should have consequences, otherwise they're pointless.