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[Telemachus78]

Usually for me I leave her some what the way she is. When it came to the Rachni queen she did not think she could live with the guilt of killing an entire race. Then when it came to the council she did not think sacraficing human lives was worth saving the council.

[DWH1982]

Telemachus78 wrote...

Usually for me I leave her some what the way she is. When it came to the Rachni queen she did not think she could live with the guilt of killing an entire race. Then when it came to the council she did not think sacraficing human lives was worth saving the council.

Interesting.

For me, she always argues in favor of killing the Rachni Queen.  She argues that there's no way of telling whether or not the queen is telling the truth, and notes her concern about what could happen if the Rachni get loose in a major human city. Which I feel is appropriate for her, because in my mind she would be more inclined to argue the cautious choice.

I think the Rachni Queen dialouge might be a case where who says what is determined by which squadmate you select first.

[Lord Zeuss]

DWH1982 wrote...

Telemachus78 wrote...

Usually for me I leave her some what the way she is. When it came to the Rachni queen she did not think she could live with the guilt of killing an entire race. Then when it came to the council she did not think sacraficing human lives was worth saving the council.

Interesting.

For me, she always argues in favor of killing the Rachni Queen.  She argues that there's no way of telling whether or not the queen is telling the truth, and notes her concern about what could happen if the Rachni get loose in a major human city. Which I feel is appropriate for her, because in my mind she would be more inclined to argue the cautious choice.

I think the Rachni Queen dialouge might be a case where who says what is determined by which squadmate you select first.

Ash always argues in favor of killing the Queen unless you have Wrex in your party.

[Telemachus78]

I sometimes get that response from her but usually she says that this is exterminating an entire race and that she doesn't know if she could deal with that. Also try doing the Noveria mission with her and Wrex or the entire game with them two because it makes for very interesting dialouge.

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

for me ash was always against killing the rachni queen, i brought garrus with me every time so that might have had something to do with it.. And ive always been a paragon and always used paragon with her.. it just depends on who is in your squad and in what order

[Shadow_82]

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

for me ash was always against killing the rachni queen, i brought garrus with me every time so that might have had something to do with it.. And ive always been a paragon and always used paragon with her.. it just depends on who is in your squad and in what order

Huh...in every one of my runs, Ash always favors killing the queen. Would explain alot since I have Liara with us aswell all the time on Noveria.

Anyone actually agree with Ash and off the queen?

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

i didnt kill the rachni qeen because i knew it was gonna help me later in ME2 or 3

[Shadow_82]

I have an alt. save file so I can see how this turns out.

Either way after killing the queen the council disapproves.*grumbles*

[ADLegend21]

I killed the Queen once and it broke my heart because she tries to use the Asari Avatar to stop you. I never let Ash come with me on noveria Again after I listened to her that one time.

[DWH1982]

ADLegend21 wrote...

I killed the Queen once and it broke my heart because she tries to use the Asari Avatar to stop you. I never let Ash come with me on noveria Again after I listened to her that one time.

In my "canon" run throughs, I never kill the Rachni Queen.  My Shepard simply can't bring himself to do it - the queen poses no immediate threat to him or the squad, and the thought that he'd be committing genocide weighs too heavily on him.  He admits that there's a lot he doesn't know, but to him that's one more reason to avoid killing the queen, because it means he might be eliminating an entire race for no reason.

That said, I should note that Ash's concerns really aren't without merit. Ultimately, I think letting the queen go is the "right" thing to do, but it is a case where doing the "right thing" ethically means taking a HUGE risk.  Ash is correct to note that Shepard has no idea what he's unleashing on the galaxy, that he has no idea if the queen is really telling the truth.

I think that's one of the things that bothers me about criticisms of Ash.  Everyone gets agitated with her views, but few people want to stop to consider the fact that, most of the time (if not always) her opinions raise legitimate concerns that shouldn't just be dismissed out of hand.

One of the reasons my Shepard fell in love with her is because she's one of the few people around him who seems willing to actually stand up to him and express a dissenting view.  Although he may not always agree with her, he appreciates having input from a different point of view.

Modifié par DWH1982, 14 janvier 2011 - 08:04 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

DWH1982 wrote...

Since no one has posted in a few hours, I have an Ash question.

I know it's possible to "paragon" Ash in ME1, so that she's not quite so mistrusting of aliens and the council. My question is: How many of you paragon her, and how many of you don't?

In all honesty, I've never paragoned her, despite the fact that when I do a "canon" run through my character is a paragon. To me, it doesn't feel right to be able to change Ash's opinions so easily. It feels like that should be something that happens gradually, over the course of the entire series.

I didn't Paragon her, but onlly because I didn't know such an option existed the first time. My character is a paragon and would probably have prefered to take the edge off her mistrust of aliens but the dialogue choice that leads to it wasn't one I picked. If I recall correctly, you need to say something about defending the Alliance despite it's flaws. Given that she just told the story about how the Alliance blacklisted her entire family without just cause, I felt kind of like I'd be intentionally being a jerk if I tried to argue against her immediately after that.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 14 janvier 2011 - 12:50 .

[Lord Zeuss]

My Ash-romancing Shepards have been Paragon, but I'm pretty sure no 'paragoning' was done. Frankly, I wouldn't change a thing about her. I'm not an idealist so often I am much more in agreement with what Ash has to say about a situation than what Paragon Shep thinks about it. Assuming the best of everything is a bad policy if you want to survive in the jungle, and sometimes I don't think Paragon Shep understands this, but Ash almost always does.

[Badpie]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

My Ash-romancing Shepards have been Paragon, but I'm pretty sure no 'paragoning' was done. Frankly, I wouldn't change a thing about her. I'm not an idealist so often I am much more in agreement with what Ash has to say about a situation than what Paragon Shep thinks about it. Assuming the best of everything is a bad policy if you want to survive in the jungle, and sometimes I don't think Paragon Shep understands this, but Ash almost always does.

I think I may have paragonizededed her once or twice and not the other times, but I wasn't aware of it at the time.  I think the only thing that changes are a couple of lines right before Ilos right?

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

i think im gonna go do a play through on ME1 and not paragon her, wonder how different it is

[DWH1982]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I didn't Paragon her, but onlly because I didn't know such an option existed the first time. My character is a paragon and would probably have prefered to take the edge off her mistrust of aliens but the dialogue choice that leads to it wasn't one I picked. If I recall correctly, you need to say something about defending the Alliance despite it's flaws. Given that she just told the story about how the Alliance blacklisted her entire family without just cause, I felt kind of like I'd be intentionally being a jerk if I tried to argue against her immediately after that.

Heh, in all honesty, I didn't stumble into paragonizing her the first time I played because I was interested in convincing her to enter into a relationship with me.  If memory serves, when the "paragonizing"  dialogue path came up, I decided not to take it because I was afraid that pressing her on the subject might make her like me less... and I wanted her to like me.


Since then I found out about paragonizing her on here, but I've just avoided it because it "doesn't seem right" for her character.  Still trying to decide if I should give it a try on this playthrough, though...

Modifié par DWH1982, 14 janvier 2011 - 05:34 .

[DWH1982]

I still have some time before I have to make the decision, think I might be leaning towards paragonizing her now.

I was considering this a "canon" runthrough, but I already experimented by using a custom face this time around. If, for whatever reason, I don't like how paragonizing Ash plays out in the final game (if she's even in the final game) I can always use one of my "Sheploo" Shepards as canon.

Modifié par DWH1982, 14 janvier 2011 - 06:09 .

[Badpie]

LiamN7 wrote...

@ DWH Multiple plays with Ash is never a bad thing. : )

And you can make fun videos to watch over and over later!

Modifié par Badpie, 14 janvier 2011 - 06:17 .

[ADLegend21]

All this talk of Paragoninng Ashley reminds me of this Story I read on FF.net. The whole player telling people what to beleive was explored during Legion's Loyalty Mission where Shepard brought Tali and ordered Legion to do what Tali thought should be done about destroying the Geth base or rewriting them and Tali was actually torn up about it after giving the whole "they drove my people from our homeworld" speeh and she eventually chose to rewrite them. It makes me wonder what would happen if Shepard gave the choice over saving the Destiny Ascension or Focusing on Sovreign after she says Human lives shouldn't be sacraficed to save the council.

[VutaatVerd]

Badpie wrote...

LiamN7 wrote...

@ DWH Multiple plays with Ash is never a bad thing. : )

And you can make fun videos to watch over and over later!

You mean like the OP where I am making all the conversations and goodies with Ashely video's?

[PrinceLionheart]

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

i think im gonna go do a play through on ME1 and not paragon her, wonder how different it is

No big difference. "Paragoning" her simply changes her stance when it comes to the bigger choices (her arguing in favor of sparing the Rachni, save the council, etc.)

Personally I do like to Paragon Ashley since it does make her slightly more open minded when it comes to inner-speciest relationships. It's making Kaidan Renegade that I think is stupid.

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

every time ive played ME1 ive never got to the part where the whole tinfoil mini skirt thing happens, how do u get that scene?

[Lord Zeuss]

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

every time ive played ME1 ive never got to the part where the whole tinfoil mini skirt thing happens, how do u get that scene?

When you first come to the Citadel with Kaidan and Ashley, after talking with the Council you head down to the Wards and there will be a scenic view overlooking the rest of the Citadel Wards. Clicking on 'observe' will initiate the conversation between Shep, Kaidan, and Ashley.

[Shadow_82]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

every time ive played ME1 ive never got to the part where the whole tinfoil mini skirt thing happens, how do u get that scene?

When you first come to the Citadel with Kaidan and Ashley, after talking with the Council you head down to the Wards and there will be a scenic view overlooking the rest of the Citadel Wards. Clicking on 'observe' will initiate the conversation between Shep, Kaidan, and Ashley.

I always make sure I get that scene when I get to the Citadel.One of my favorites:wub: