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[Flamewielder]

I'm curious to see where Evolution will take General Williams. He was obviously put in a bad spot and, unlike MacArthur in the Phillipines (who didn't surrender but was forced to evacuate), was never offered an opportunity to prove his worth. Will he turn out to be an unsung hero?

While I don't expect him to be a founding member of Cerberus, I wouldn't be surprised if Williams turns out to have inspired TIM to write the Cerberus Manifesto.

If you look beyond TIM's morally reprehensible means, and his avoid goal of human dominance, it is easy to imagine how he can inspire the loyalty of humans: the Turians had no intention of giving Humans a "free ride" into Council Space. Anti-turian sentiment among the human military is not surprising, nor is the anti-human sentiment among the turian military.

When looking at turians and humans, they share more similarities than differences: they are warlike and competitive, their goverments do not shy away from sending hundreds of thousands to their deaths if they feel thay have something to gain from it. Their main contribution to Council Space is military/security muscle: they are both competing for the same job. They're both competing for the starting quarterback spot and neither wants to spend the season on the bench, waiting for the starting QB to get injured...

Turians are still the starting quarterback but are now resentful that the latecomer runt is turning out to show far more promise than they expected. And the feeling among most Alliance military personnel is that the Turians would have ground our faces in the dirt if they had been given the chance at Shanxi.

Ash shows a rather healthy mistrust of aliens in general and perhaps Turians in particular, but it never became the type of ingrained, dogmatic hatred displayed by the more radical members of Terra Firma. Hence her disapproval of Saracino and his activists shouting anti-alien propaganda on the Citadel in ME1 (take note, PS3 players... it's not shown in the comic...).

Modifié par Flamewielder, 21 janvier 2011 - 03:15 .

[VutaatVerd]

Badpie wrote...

Grandpa Williams, anyone?

So what's the deal with grandpappy in Evolution?  Any interesting plot moments or anything.  I always thought it would be a good "WOAH WTF?" reveal if we found out General Williams was involved in the birth of Cerberus.

I think you just found ME3 cliffhanger.

[Lord Zeuss]

I would rather have had a novel about General Williams than a comic about TIM, frankly. That I might read.

[Raanz]

Badpie wrote...

Grandpa Williams, anyone?

So what's the deal with grandpappy in Evolution?  Any interesting plot moments or anything.  I always thought it would be a good "WOAH WTF?" reveal if we found out General Williams was involved in the birth of Cerberus.

Well, I have no idea where they are going to take him if they touch on him anymore in the series, but I did find it kind of odd and out of place to have him swilling alcohol in the middle of an evacuation and having to have Jack snatch it away from him.....maybe I interpreted it wrong.

[Cossack72]

Badpie wrote...

Haha! I love you, J.

And yes. As a straight female I would....reconsider things for her I think.

She'd be worth the team switch

[Telemachus78]

Flamewielder wrote...

I'm curious to see where Evolution will take General Williams. He was obviously put in a bad spot and, unlike MacArthur in the Phillipines (who didn't surrender but was forced to evacuate), was never offered an opportunity to prove his worth. Will he turn out to be an unsung hero?

While I don't expect him to be a founding member of Cerberus, I wouldn't be surprised if Williams turns out to have inspired TIM to write the Cerberus Manifesto.

If you look beyond TIM's morally reprehensible means, and his avoid goal of human dominance, it is easy to imagine how he can inspire the loyalty of humans: the Turians had no intention of giving Humans a "free ride" into Council Space. Anti-turian sentiment among the human military is not surprising, nor is the anti-human sentiment among the turian military.

When looking at turians and humans, they share more similarities than differences: they are warlike and competitive, their goverments do not shy away from sending hundreds of thousands to their deaths if they feel thay have something to gain from it. Their main contribution to Council Space is military/security muscle: they are both competing for the same job. They're both competing for the starting quarterback spot and neither wants to spend the season on the bench, waiting for the starting QB to get injured...

Turians are still the starting quarterback but are now resentful that the latecomer runt is turning out to show far more promise than they expected. And the feeling among most Alliance military personnel is that the Turians would have ground our faces in the dirt if they had been given the chance at Shanxi.

Ash shows a rather healthy mistrust of aliens in general and perhaps Turians in particular, but it never became the type of ingrained, dogmatic hatred displayed by the more radical members of Terra Firma. Hence her disapproval of Saracino and his activists shouting anti-alien propaganda on the Citadel in ME1 (take note, PS3 players... it's not shown in the comic...).

What you described between the Humans and Turains reminds me of the Cold War or Americans general view of China. I think Ashley's mistrust for aliens all stem from what happened to her grand father and father. She sees the events on Shanxi as if the Turians never invaded nothing bad ever would have happened to her family. But the real source of the problem is the Alliance for having altered history to save face. The Alliance is the real people she should have a healthy mistrust.

It is a little like Benedict Arnold. Without Arnold the colonies would have never one the American Revolution. He coordinated and won a pivtol battle(sorry can not remember the name) that changed the early momentum of the British. Then he was demoted and a General's son took his place then demoted again. So he switched sides for somewhat selfish reasons but still his reward for winning battles was demotion. History is always written by the victors.

edit: I would have loved an option to explain this to Ashely but all you can do explain that she does not have to die in battle to restore her families honor. Maybe she would have responded better on Horizon. Although the "You make me feel good enough" line is one of my favorite lines in ME1. 

This is what I love about this character she has depth. I can pick at her brain just as I could a real person. She is real not just some overly heroic superhero with a tiny daddy issue. 
 

Modifié par Telemachus78, 21 janvier 2011 - 08:19 .

[Cossack72]

I think we need to lighten the mood a bit.

I know what would do it: Ashley fan art with her wearing glasses; pretending she never got her nearsightedness removed.

Any takers?

Modifié par Cossack72, 21 janvier 2011 - 10:13 .

[Raanz]

 Sorry Cossack, I'm still messing with my work-out Ash.

On a different note:  I just finished reading ME: Evolution (the comic) and I am even more convinced that the next DLC will be the Alliance/Cerberus story bridge or "loose end being tied up" with the VS as a sub-plot.Why?

*********Spoiler Alert******************

Bioware has prefaced DLC with a comic before: Redemption before LotSB.  This comic is about TiM in the early days of Cerberus.It has an Ash tie with her father.  It will probably have a Kaidan tie when it talks about Cerberus initializing biotic testing on children. (This was no small subject as a whole novel was written with this at it's base: Ascension.)   The story conflict is now in play for the VS in the dlc.

I have a sneaky suspicion that the DLC will be out by the end of April.  The comic will finish by then or close to it.

Ok, that's my crazy prediction.  Predictions are good...if I am wrong, no biggie, if I am right, then I get to brag about it.

Modifié par Raanz, 21 janvier 2011 - 10:28 .

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

 Ashley!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<3<3<3:wub::wub:

[Cypher0020]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Batlass8 wrote...

haha nice poster.

Yes! Yes! 1000x Yes!!


As a proud female gamer and Ash fan- you have no idea how long I waited for a shoutout to the girls that adore the awesomeness of Ash!



Really what's not to like? Being a christian myself, I loved how they actually incorperated a character with a religion- quick, quiet and simple, plus Shep's responses- a simple yes, or no.  The end

musn't forget the poetry love and calling Shep Skipper.... I swoon, my Femshep swoons, and yeah....girl crush there....   but my Femshep belongs to Liara, but anyways.....



So here's hoping that upon ME3's release, we as formites and all our Ash loving Sheps- LI or not, can put Horizon behind us and focus on the Reaper war

[ADLegend21]

I wish there was more Ash art. when I search for Ash it's dramatically less than Tali, Liara, Miranda, etc.

[DWH1982]

ADLegend21 wrote...

I wish there was more Ash art. when I search for Ash it's dramatically less than Tali, Liara, Miranda, etc.

Yeah. It seems that we're abnormal for liking Ash.

I should have figured as much. I seem to end up enjoying things that are under appreciated.

[Badpie]

I do what I can to make up the Ash art deficit, but I only started because there was NONE. It saddens me that I'm not a better fartist. Because Ash deserves it.

[V-rex]

What's lame is how much of the fanart is in some way mocking or demonizing Ashley. Seriously, it's so unfair. Plus even in the ones that are good you usually get at least one smartass running his mouth about it.

Still, there has been more fanart of her lately so that's a good sign. I mean we have that lovely picture of Shepard and Ash cuddling in bed, that's gotta count for something.

But still, the hate and the smaller percentage of quality fanart for Ashley is always something that upsets me.

Modifié par V-rex, 22 janvier 2011 - 02:08 .

[ADLegend21]

Don't remind me of ash hate art....I've seen things maaaaaaaaannn......I wonder what Ashley (or any of the mass effect characters) would say about their fandom....

[DWH1982]

V-rex wrote...

What's lame is how much of the fanart is in some way mocking or demonizing Ashley. Seriously, it's so unfair. Plus even in the ones that are good you usually get at least one smartass running his mouth about it.

Still, there has been more fanart of her lately so that's a good sign. I mean we have that lovely picture of Shepard and Ash cuddling in bed, that's gotta count for something.

But still, the hate and the smaller percentage of quality fanart for Ashley is always something that upsets me.

I mostly avoid threads other than this one and the KAST because of Ash (and Kaidan) mocking/demonizing. It's something that has an ugly tendancy to pop up now and then.  I think I stopped reading the funny ME comics thread for that reason.

The Shepard/Ash cuddling pic is one of my favorites. I like it almost as much as the tin foil mini skirt pic.

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

DWH1982 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I wish there was more Ash art. when I search for Ash it's dramatically less than Tali, Liara, Miranda, etc.

Yeah. It seems that we're abnormal for liking Ash.

I should have figured as much. I seem to end up enjoying things that are under appreciated.

not abnormal, more like superior 

[IndigoWolfe]

*Parts swinging saloon doors and eyes dimly-lit establisment from under the broad rim of a hat. Casually walks up to bar, but with purpose in steps.*

So... There's been talk... 'bout this "Ash" person... I hear she's pretty awesome.

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

*Parts swinging saloon doors and eyes dimly-lit establisment from under the broad rim of a hat. Casually walks up to bar, but with purpose in steps.*

So... There's been talk... 'bout this "Ash" person... I hear she's pretty awesome.

<3

[StaffSgt. Dignam]

Yup. I sense that the next dlc will be virmire survivor related because...

a) Ashley is too awesome not to make a dlc about.

The latest Evolution comic being a precursor to dlc just as the Redemption one was.

c) Bioware needs to tie up the loose end with the alliance and has to do it before Mass Effect 3, when there will be no time because Earth is under attack.

d) My pitchforkes are sharpened and my torches prepared if there isn't one for some insipid and unforseen reason that Bioware pulled out of ...

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

StaffSgt. Dignam wrote...

Yup. I sense that the next dlc will be virmire survivor related because...
a) Ashley is too awesome not to make a dlc about.
The latest Evolution comic being a precursor to dlc just as the Redemption one was.
c) Bioware needs to tie up the loose end with the alliance and has to do it before Mass Effect 3, when there will be no time because Earth is under attack.
d) My pitchforkes are sharpened and my torches prepared if there isn't one for some insipid and unforseen reason that Bioware pulled out of ...

We all have our pitchforks and torches at the ready too, lets hope we don'y have to use them.

[trobbins777]

Torches? Pitchforks? I'm just gonna lock them in and loop the citadel elevator music until they all go insane......

[V-rex]

Oh man, YES.
That Ashley hate thread was LOCKED!!! The mods do love us!!

*ahem*

Oh and yes, something about torches and pitchforks. I myself, prefer to use my secret stash of radioactive flying piranhas from the planet Venus.
But anyway yes I do believe Evolution will be a precurser to a DLC and given that it references General Williams in the Mass Effect continuity then it is at least acknowledging that the Williams family and the Alliance in particular probably have some kind of baring on future events in the Mass Effect storyline.
I imagine they'll be able to put Ashley back into it somehow. One can hope anyway. I certainly would like to see some kind of DLC involving a reconnection to the Alliance, after all whether Shepard is still with Cerberus or on his own or going to go back with the Alliance in kind of the elephant in the room at this point, and the game description for Mass Effect 3 DOES call Shepard an 'alliance soldier'.
So my guess is that it'll either be a DLC or a major part of the early story in Mass Effect 3, either way there's no reason to leave Ashley/Kaidan out of it.

Modifié par V-rex, 22 janvier 2011 - 08:24 .

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

V-rex wrote...

Oh man, YES.
That Ashley hate thread was LOCKED!!! The mods do love us!!

*ahem*

Oh and yes, something about torches and pitchforks. I myself, prefer to use my secret stash of radioactive flying piranhas from the planet Venus.
But anyway yes I do believe Evolution will be a precurser to a DLC and given that it references General Williams in the Mass Effect continuity then it is at least acknowledging that the Williams family and the Alliance in particular probably have some kind of baring on future events in the Mass Effect storyline.
I imagine they'll be able to put Ashley back into it somehow. One can hope anyway. I certainly would like to see some kind of DLC involving a reconnection to the Alliance, after all whether Shepard is still with Cerberus or on his own or going to go back with the Alliance in kind of the elephant in the room at this point, and the game description for Mass Effect 3 DOES call Shepard an 'alliance soldier'.
So my guess is that it'll either be a DLC or a major part of the early story in Mass Effect 3, either way there's no reason to leave Ashley/Kaidan out of it.

Victory

[ADLegend21]

oh I hope the Next DLC is for the VS and it actually makes the romane be more than just another sex scene in the New normandy. It has be to be at least as good as Liara's LoTSB scene or better.