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[Lord Zeuss]

Flamewielder wrote...

On a side note, regarding poppies: this particular flower was observed to flourish on the battlefields of Europe after WW1, making it the symbol of rememberance it is today. Botanists believe the incredible amount of artillery shelling sustained on the battlefields churned the earth enough to bring mineral rich soil up and mix it with surface soil, thus explaining the massive blooming of poppies immediately following the Great War.

Thus, in time,  the poppy slowly fades away from ancient battlefields (as our remembrances of them).

The turians' penchant for carpet-bombing has probably done wonders for the poppy population on Shanxi.

Edit: Top of the page, time for an Ash pic.

Modifié par Lord Zeuss, 31 janvier 2011 - 05:51 .

[CroGamer002]

VutaatVerd wrote...

Hey guys, can I borrow this pics for ManShep fan thread?

I find lack of Ashley/ManShep pics disturbing.
Not in literal sense but still...

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

@Mesina yeah don't matter to us.

[SlottsMachine]

I was reading play station magazine and there was a review for me2, and in the review there was a section about "old friends," meaning me1 squadmates.

You wont believe what the description for Ash was:

-military family

-xenophobe



Yeah, like people don't find it easy enough to hate on her, without help like that. Oh, but Liara was super, though.

[SlottsMachine]

Funkcase wrote...

Shame that Brooks has even noticed the haters =( Atleast she dosen't take it personally. I guess it has proven how engaging Ash is as a character, if people need to hate her (or love her) so much.

I wasn't going to read the article till you posted this, and its ridiculous that everyone else that's been involved in these games, has had sunshine and daisies experience, all but Kimberly. Noticed that Courtney Taylor wasn't interviewed, wonder if she gets hate mail too. 

[V-rex]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

I was reading play station magazine and there was a review for me2, and in the review there was a section about "old friends," meaning me1 squadmates.
You wont believe what the description for Ash was:
-military family
-xenophobe

Yeah, like people don't find it easy enough to hate on her, without help like that. Oh, but Liara was super, though.

Awww man, you gotta be kidding me.
So it's true, she really is being 'flanderized' now. Because Chris left Bioware now someone else has taken over writing for the character and whoever it is seems far more interested in making Ashley whatever the die hard unwashed masses [ithink[/i] she is, rather than what she actually is in real life. That is so lame.

Is it not enough that they made her say 'I'm no fan of aliens' and then made obvious news misinterpretation in the event of her death so that the haters could have an evil chuckle. No, now they need to brainwash all the newcomers as well.

So never mind the fact that she had a redemptive awakening in the first game, never mind the fact that her opinions of aliens were never as extreme as people say they were, never mind the fact that she had a somewhat justified reason to think the way she did and never mind that she says and does a plethora of things to contradict the idea that she's 'racist'. It's just too complicated so let's just go along with it and declare her a 'xenophobe' and make it the primary character trait bestowed on her. Fantastic.

Chris L'otile worked very hard to create a real, humanized and flawed character and the first thing Bioware does when he leaves is present her to be a Klan member. Great. Just let the mispelled accusations about the character be the basis for your inspiration in writing Bioware, don't challenge them, just agree with them. Can't wait to see Ashley sit alongside the Arbiter from Halo 3, Kratos from God of War 2, Samus from Metroid: Other M and all the other great video game characters that were ruined or neglected because the fanbase/writers demanded it.

It's bad enough that we have a whole horde of smelly angry youtube commentors beating down on Ashley's door like the Uruk Hai at the Battle of Helm's Deep, but now we don't even get Bioware writers helping us out by trying to correct them. Now they are just encouraging them.
I can't help but tremble with fear as to what they might characterize her as in Mass Effect 3. Probably some kind of Skinhead crossed with a Red neck crossed with a Ku Klux Klan member, who declares humanity as the 'master race' and that all aliens are inferior and are worthy only of death.

I know that some might say I'm overreacting but seriously, she already was almost completely removed from the second game. And she recieved a lot of unprecedented hate in the first, the last thing we need now is for her to be made into a demonized monster in the third.
I don't want to see my favorite female character in Mass Effect be made into a villainized stereotype just because a bunch of angry trolls want to start playing 'Ron the Death Eater'.

God, I am maaaaaaaaaaaad.

EDIT: Okay, gotta calm down. Get my favorite Ash/Shep picture up.



:wub:

There we go, that helps calm my nerves. Yes I know I use this picture a lot, but it really helps.

Modifié par V-rex, 01 février 2011 - 07:32 .

[V-rex]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

Shame that Brooks has even noticed the haters =( Atleast she dosen't take it personally. I guess it has proven how engaging Ash is as a character, if people need to hate her (or love her) so much.

I wasn't going to read the article till you posted this, and its ridiculous that everyone else that's been involved in these games, has had sunshine and daisies experience, all but Kimberly. Noticed that Courtney Taylor wasn't interviewed, wonder if she gets hate mail too. 

I dunno, I mean I suppose on the one hand it would probably hurt to know that the character you voiced is largely hated by all but a select percentage of the population. But I imagine as long as you are getting paid you can rise above it. Plus. if you know that there are people who like said character, it's probably not a problem.
Besides, given the choice I think I'd rather be voicing the character who recieves the hate then the character who recieves the creepy obsessive fanbase and all the... uhhh.... interesting fanart.


Come to think of it, I'd really like to see how Yvonne Strahowski would respond if she saw all the fan art of Miranda that's on the darkest corners of the web. I've since things maaaaaaannnn and it must be worse considering Miranda's face is modeled off of Yvonne's. So it's not just the character she voiced, it's her own image.

Modifié par V-rex, 01 février 2011 - 07:44 .

[lawp79]

Whenever someone calls Ash a racist or a xenophobe I think they havent ever really spoken to her at all! I find all that crap about her incredibly ignorant and immature. She is one of, if not THE best written squad mate, she is complex, loyal and a bloody good soldier.



Some times I think players have 1 or 2 conversations with her and think ew racist and dont bother even trying to get to know her character, their loss I guess.

[MillaShepard]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

I was reading play station magazine and there was a review for me2, and in the review there was a section about "old friends," meaning me1 squadmates.
You wont believe what the description for Ash was:
-military family
-xenophobe

Yeah, like people don't find it easy enough to hate on her, without help like that. Oh, but Liara was super, though.

was that the only description of her?  really?  nothing else?  I can't find this review, but if that's really all the writer wrote about Ash's character then i'm going to have to dismiss it along with pretty much everything else Ps3 promoters are putting out there about ME2.  I mean... i actually read in a Ps3 article written for ME2, that Mass Effect 2 is a better, more complete game on the Ps3.  <-----WHAT?!?!?!   Aside from everything else that's wrong with that, how can you even call it a "more complete game" when on the Ps3 it's missing ME's best installment.  It literally makes no sense....   

[lawp79]

MillaShepard wrote...

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

I was reading play station magazine and there was a review for me2, and in the review there was a section about "old friends," meaning me1 squadmates.
You wont believe what the description for Ash was:
-military family
-xenophobe

Yeah, like people don't find it easy enough to hate on her, without help like that. Oh, but Liara was super, though.

was that the only description of her?  really?  nothing else?  I can't find this review, but if that's really all the writer wrote about Ash's character then i'm going to have to dismiss it along with pretty much everything else Ps3 promoters are putting out there about ME2.  I mean... i actually read in a Ps3 article written for ME2, that Mass Effect 2 is a better, more complete game on the Ps3.  <-----WHAT?!?!?!   Aside from everything else that's wrong with that, how can you even call it a "more complete game" when on the Ps3 it's missing ME's best installment.  It literally makes no sense....   

I agree, personally I wish they had released mass effect 1 for the ps3 first or just not bothered crossing over the franchise at all.

[Funkcase]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

I was reading play station magazine and there was a review for me2, and in the review there was a section about "old friends," meaning me1 squadmates.
You wont believe what the description for Ash was:
-military family
-xenophobe

Yeah, like people don't find it easy enough to hate on her, without help like that. Oh, but Liara was super, though.

Aww, what? This sucks. Her views ain't even bad, if they are gonna label Ash like that on something so little, they may aswell list Wrex as a extremist! lol.

The worst part is that the haters dont even know the difference between xenophobia and racism, and yet they shout ''racist''.  While Ash an't racist at all, she did harbor a very minor bit of xenophobia, becuase she was scared of aliens, not becuase she hated and wanted to kill them, or thought humanity was better. It was becuase they were completely unknown to her, as the only contact her family have had with aliens before was Shanxi, and look how that turned out.
 
Her veiws are'nt strong, as she has only just meet aliens for the first time, she actually handles it well I think, a little suspicion, but she keep's a level head, and voices it to her commander, but nothing more, she was being a soldier, doing her job, as the only two aliens she is suspicious of, are 1. A Krogan batlemaster, who if his blood rage kicks in, could tear up the ship, and kil most of the crew. And 2. A Turian, a race humanity had a war with, and still hold a bit of a grudge with. I think it's obvious why she thought that, and she get's over it rather quick, as she soon get's to know and trust them.

 The funny thing is half the people on this forum are extremely xenophobic, why do you think political topics like the war in Afghanistan will get locked instantly on here? Or why the gay romance topics are pretty sensitve topics?

Modifié par Funkcase, 01 février 2011 - 12:58 .

[Rogue Unit]

lawp79 wrote...

Whenever someone calls Ash a racist or a xenophobe I think they havent ever really spoken to her at all! I find all that crap about her incredibly ignorant and immature. She is one of, if not THE best written squad mate, she is complex, loyal and a bloody good soldier.

Some times I think players have 1 or 2 conversations with her and think ew racist and dont bother even trying to get to know her character, their loss I guess.

Most of the racist comments stem for her asking of Shepard to deny Wrex and Garrus access to engineering and the CIC, I think. I can partly see where Ash-haters have something of a point there. Garrus hadn't given Shepard a reason not to trust him.

When you first meet him he's arguing with his boss, going as far to tell him to stall the council to buy him more time to expose Saren. He then, against his superior's orders, continues investegating Saren, detremined to take the turain down, helps Shepard assault Chora's Den and quits his job to help Shepard.

Garrus proved his trustworthiness, so when Ash makes her comment about restricting their ship acess, it seems like she only says it because he was a turian, and not because he was untrustworthy. Looking at it that way, it can be seen as a slightly racist comment. It'd be like owning a store and telling black guys not to enter the aisle with the expensive items just because another black guy stole from your dad.

Add a few comments like "I can't tell the aliens from the animals." to the fire and everyone scareams "OMG! Racist!"

I'm not Ash's biggest fan, but a fan nonetheless, and I feel most the hate she gets is unjustified.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 01 février 2011 - 12:47 .

[Funkcase]

Rogue Unit wrote...

lawp79 wrote...

Whenever someone calls Ash a racist or a xenophobe I think they havent ever really spoken to her at all! I find all that crap about her incredibly ignorant and immature. She is one of, if not THE best written squad mate, she is complex, loyal and a bloody good soldier.

Some times I think players have 1 or 2 conversations with her and think ew racist and dont bother even trying to get to know her character, their loss I guess.

Most of the racist comments stem for her asking of Shepard to deny Wrex and Garrus access to engineering and the CIC, I think. I can partly see where Ash-haters have something of a point there. Garrus hadn't given Shepard a reason not to trust him.

When you first meet him he's arguing with his boss, going as far to tell him to stall the council to buy him more time to expose Saren. He then, against his superior's orders, continues investegating Saren, detremined to take the turain down, helps Shepard assault Chora's Den and quits his job to help Shepard.

Garrus proved his trustworthiness, so when Ash makes her comment about restricting their ship acess, it seems like she only says it because he was a turian, and not because he was untrustworthy. Looking at it that way, it can be seen as a slightly racist comment. It'd be like owning a store and telling black guys not to enter the aisle with the expensive items just because another black guy stole from your dad.

Add a few comments like "I can't tell the aliens from the animals." to the fire and everyone scareams "OMG! Racist!"

I'm not Ash's biggest fan, but a fan nonetheless, and I feel most the hate she gets is unjustified.

Not really, read my comment above. There is a difference between slight Xenophobia and racism, they are not the same thing.

[MillaShepard]

one of the worst things about all the hate Ash is getting (from Ps3 specifically) is that there's nothing in ME2 that will redeem her in they eyes of the misguided souls that will be playing for the first time. Without ME1 they'll have no way of knowing any of her background other than what's being advertised. I feel like their erasing the depth of her character. To make matters worse.. when they meet her on Horizon (technically for the first time) the general reaction is probably going to be something along the lines of... "Whoa, ok... So you're Ashley the xenophobe. You're calling me a traitor. Don't need you." Unbelievable....

[Breakdown Boy]

Does anybody have a full length 3d/HQ image of Ash? Would like to make a mag cover similair to the one I did for Miranda? Please PM it to me as I don't always follow the thread here.



Example:

[Telemachus78]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

I was reading play station magazine and there was a review for me2, and in the review there was a section about "old friends," meaning me1 squadmates.
You wont believe what the description for Ash was:
-military family
-xenophobe

Yeah, like people don't find it easy enough to hate on her, without help like that. Oh, but Liara was super, though.

Stage 1 after reading this post  stage 2  stage 3 then clean up.

[lawp79]

@breakdownboy. I loved that Miranda cover you did as I said in the Miranda thread, it would be fabulous if you could do one of Ash.

[Lord Zeuss]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

I was reading play station magazine and there was a review for me2, and in the review there was a section about "old friends," meaning me1 squadmates.
You wont believe what the description for Ash was:
-military family
-xenophobe

Yeah, like people don't find it easy enough to hate on her, without help like that. Oh, but Liara was super, though.

And so ignorance feeds upon ignorance. This PS3 writer has got no idea what they're talking about, which the receptive masses will accept as honest-to-God unvarnished fact because they (like this writer) couldn't be bothered to get to know what they're irrationally judging.

[SlottsMachine]

MillaShepard wrote...

was that the only description of her?  really?  nothing else?  I can't find this review, but if that's really all the writer wrote about Ash's character then i'm going to have to dismiss it along with pretty much everything else Ps3 promoters are putting out there about ME2.  I mean... i actually read in a Ps3 article written for ME2, that Mass Effect 2 is a better, more complete game on the Ps3.  <-----WHAT?!?!?!   Aside from everything else that's wrong with that, how can you even call it a "more complete game" when on the Ps3 it's missing ME's best installment.  It literally makes no sense....   

Yeah, they had about a ten word description for all of them, well except Kaidan, he doesn't exist anymore. For instance, Liara was "easily" the best romance, and Garrus doesn't shine until ME2. When I read it I thought to myself, "wow, that VS DLC can't get here fast enough."  

[Telemachus78]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Most of the racist comments stem for her asking of Shepard to deny Wrex and Garrus access to engineering and the CIC, I think. I can partly see where Ash-haters have something of a point there. Garrus hadn't given Shepard a reason not to trust him.

When you first meet him he's arguing with his boss, going as far to tell him to stall the council to buy him more time to expose Saren. He then, against his superior's orders, continues investegating Saren, detremined to take the turain down, helps Shepard assault Chora's Den and quits his job to help Shepard.

Garrus proved his trustworthiness, so when Ash makes her comment about restricting their ship acess, it seems like she only says it because he was a turian, and not because he was untrustworthy. Looking at it that way, it can be seen as a slightly racist comment. It'd be like owning a store and telling black guys not to enter the aisle with the expensive items just because another black guy stole from your dad.

Add a few comments like "I can't tell the aliens from the animals." to the fire and everyone scareams "OMG! Racist!"

I'm not Ash's biggest fan, but a fan nonetheless, and I feel most the hate she gets is unjustified.

Ok Think of this from her perspective and not from a gamer who knew Garrus was a squadmate. Your entire unit killed on Eden Prime by Geth led by a Turian who was supposed to be the best and most loyal agent. Also you know he has many allies and he knows that you are after him. So who is to say that Garrus, Wrex, or even Tali ok maybe not Tali is an agent of Saren just waiting for the perfect moment to shoot you in the back. Then it is not just your life to worry about but your families and every other soul in the Galaxy. It is a healthy skepticism that every good soldier needs to survive. Also if this seems in anyway character hate it is not I am just trying to explain how people could see that as racism and it is not.

Modifié par Telemachus78, 01 février 2011 - 04:40 .

[ADLegend21]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

I was reading play station magazine and there was a review for me2, and in the review there was a section about "old friends," meaning me1 squadmates.
You wont believe what the description for Ash was:
-military family
-xenophobe

Yeah, like people don't find it easy enough to hate on her, without help like that. Oh, but Liara was super, though.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME! (incoming swearing rant that will just look like asterisks*

That son of a ****!!!!! if that ****er took one ****ing second to play the first damn game they'd know how ****ign wrong they were! It's ****tards like this that can ruin a character to a new audience based on what they think about them, and just because she says "I'm no fan of aliens" DOESN'T MEANS SHE'S A ****ING XENOPHOBE!!!!!!! Case in point the TERRA FIRMA protest in the first game, which this **** didn't bother to pick up probably because they're allergic to the Xbox or PC and probably think the ps3 is the pinnacle of gaming or some biased reason. Hell look it up on YOUTUBE for Virmires sake! Maybe then you'd know what the **** you're talking about you ****ty reviewing bastard! *shakes fist*

/end rant.

[Lord Zeuss]

Telemachus78 wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Most of the racist comments stem for her asking of Shepard to deny Wrex and Garrus access to engineering and the CIC, I think. I can partly see where Ash-haters have something of a point there. Garrus hadn't given Shepard a reason not to trust him.

When you first meet him he's arguing with his boss, going as far to tell him to stall the council to buy him more time to expose Saren. He then, against his superior's orders, continues investegating Saren, detremined to take the turain down, helps Shepard assault Chora's Den and quits his job to help Shepard.

Garrus proved his trustworthiness, so when Ash makes her comment about restricting their ship acess, it seems like she only says it because he was a turian, and not because he was untrustworthy. Looking at it that way, it can be seen as a slightly racist comment. It'd be like owning a store and telling black guys not to enter the aisle with the expensive items just because another black guy stole from your dad.

Add a few comments like "I can't tell the aliens from the animals." to the fire and everyone scareams "OMG! Racist!"

I'm not Ash's biggest fan, but a fan nonetheless, and I feel most the hate she gets is unjustified.

Ok Think of this from her perspective and not from a gamer who knew Garrus was a squadmate. Your entire unit killed on Eden Prime by Geth led by a Turian who was supposed to be the best and most loyal agent. Also you know he has many allies and he knows that you are after him. So who is to say that Garrus, Wrex, or even Tali ok maybe not Tali is an agent of Saren just waiting for the perfect moment to shoot you in the back. Then it is not just your life to worry about but your families and every other soul in the Galaxy. It is a healthy skepticism that every good soldier needs to survive. Also if this seems in anyway character hate it is not I am just trying to explain how people could see that as racism and it is not.

Agree. I don't think Shepard was ever suspicious *enough*. At least Paragon Shep, who can be foolishly naive sometimes. To be frank, I'm glad *somebody* on the ship was thinking of things like that.

[MillaShepard]

Chapter 8 of my Ash/Shep fanfic is up.
www.fanfiction.net/u/2717218/
Enjoy! 

[Master Shiori]

I think Ash herself described her outlook on aliens the best when she called herself a realist. People really need to put themselves into the mindset of an average human living in ME universe in order to understand where Ash is coming from.

When humanity started to expand in the galaxy, the first contact with aliens came in a form of an turian fleet bombarding and occupying a human world. Following that you have a Citadel Council which passes intergalactic laws without humanity having a say in the matter. Ofc, the majority of humans would be suspicious of aliens and careful about fully trusting them.



Ashley, as a character, is the embodiment of this outlook. The way I see it, her role in ME1 is to introduce Shepard (the player) to the human perspective on the galaxy and show him/her that aliens are just as flawed, selfish, lying, etc. as your average human can be. She doesn't trust them as a race, but can come to accept and befriend individual aliens who prove themselves reliable allies (like Liara, Garrus, Tali or Wrex). Her attitude towards Cerberus and Terry Firma Party also serves to prove there is a clear line in Ashley's mind when it comes to protecting human interests (Alliance) and descending into xenophobia (Cerberus) or outright racism (Terra Firma).



Sadly, most players fail to grasp the reality of ME universe ad tend to look at it as black and white, rather than shades of grey. Anyone who isn't immediately accepting of other races or trying to save every kitten from a tree must clearly be an evil bigot, right? Ironically, the only human on the Normandy who can be called a xenophobe or a racist is renegade Shepard himself/herself, whose attitude towards aliens makes Ashley's suspicion seems like a complete joke, but that's rarely something a player will realize or openly admit.



Personally, I love Ashley as squadmate and a LI. I think she's a truly wonderful down-to-earth character and a great counterbalance to sometimes naive paragon Shepard or xenophobic renegade Shep. I can only hope that Bioware knows this too and will give her a proper recognition, both in ME3 and in a potential DLC for ME2.

[Batlass8]

Master Shiori wrote...

I think Ash herself described her outlook on aliens the best when she called herself a realist. People really need to put themselves into the mindset of an average human living in ME universe in order to understand where Ash is coming from.
When humanity started to expand in the galaxy, the first contact with aliens came in a form of an turian fleet bombarding and occupying a human world. Following that you have a Citadel Council which passes intergalactic laws without humanity having a say in the matter. Ofc, the majority of humans would be suspicious of aliens and careful about fully trusting them.

Ashley, as a character, is the embodiment of this outlook. The way I see it, her role in ME1 is to introduce Shepard (the player) to the human perspective on the galaxy and show him/her that aliens are just as flawed, selfish, lying, etc. as your average human can be. She doesn't trust them as a race, but can come to accept and befriend individual aliens who prove themselves reliable allies (like Liara, Garrus, Tali or Wrex). Her attitude towards Cerberus and Terry Firma Party also serves to prove there is a clear line in Ashley's mind when it comes to protecting human interests (Alliance) and descending into xenophobia (Cerberus) or outright racism (Terra Firma).

Sadly, most players fail to grasp the reality of ME universe ad tend to look at it as black and white, rather than shades of grey. Anyone who isn't immediately accepting of other races or trying to save every kitten from a tree must clearly be an evil bigot, right? Ironically, the only human on the Normandy who can be called a xenophobe or a racist is renegade Shepard himself/herself, whose attitude towards aliens makes Ashley's suspicion seems like a complete joke, but that's rarely something a player will realize or openly admit.

Personally, I love Ashley as squadmate and a LI. I think she's a truly wonderful down-to-earth character and a great counterbalance to sometimes naive paragon Shepard or xenophobic renegade Shep. I can only hope that Bioware knows this too and will give her a proper recognition, both in ME3 and in a potential DLC for ME2.

I think this is the best summation of Ashley that I have yet read!