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[Rdubs]

@Lawp79 - I envy your research abilities. I would like to know just to manage my own expectations whether us Ashley/Shep fans will be "happy or disappointed" and end the knowledge there. Sounds like you can find that out without spoiling the rest, and that's great. If you find that out for ME3, please PM me because I think I'm going to have to stay away from looking!



@Machines, @V-rex: About Ashley changing her mind on fraternization, also remember that she and Shep would have kissed even before they stole the Normandy if not for Joker's unintentional ****-block interruption. I think they both realized the feelings they had for each other were worth the risk. I spent 14 years in the military and officer/enlisted fraternization does occur, but it is mainly only a "real" issue if the two are in the same command. If they both were to stay in the Alliance, they could either keep the relationship quiet (and Milla's fanfic NAILS this point) or be more open about it with Ashley transferring to another command (Citadel attache perhaps). But as V-rex said, I don't think anyone was giving a rat's butt when they were about to head on what they thought was a one-way trip.

[lawp79]

@Rdubs years and years of digging for random things on google has taught me well but it is still a dangerous thing to do if you are trying to avoid spoilers, that time I was lucky. I am hoping to pull it off for 3 aswell if I find out I will PM you, unless of cause you bump into that information first in which case PM me!

[Xilizhra]

I don't think Charge of the Light Brigade would be in good taste, honestly... it's not exactly a morale booster.

[Rdubs]

Quick question, how many of you played the original Mass Effect again after playing ME2? I've only played ME once, mainly because I liked it so much (plus I find myself speeding through the dialogue so what's the point). But I am thinking about playing it again mainly just to re-live the Ash/Shep interactions, but I'm also trying not to because right now I just have fond memories of their time together and going through it again won't be the same and might cheapen it. (For that reason some of my favorite movies I've only seen once because I know watching it a second time would not be the same.)



The other reason I haven't gone back to play ME was I liked the changes they made to ME2's gameplay over ME1 and now I don't want to go back.



@Lawp79 - you have a deal.

[Xilizhra]

Going back to the inferior gameplay was annoying, but I liked ME1's story rather more than ME2's and I enjoyed trying out different classes.



Also, I didn't find that going over my relationship with Liara again made it cheaper; to me, it just kind of reinforced it.

[Telemachus78]

Machines Are Us wrote...

Kind of funny really, when I first started playing Mass Effect Ashley was most definitely the "racist" to me, although I can see where she gets her attitude from now and I don't think she is so much xenophobic as she is distrustful.

I think my main dislike of her character is that she is still very aggressive in her way of showing her opinions though, the same way that despite me understanding while Jack is messed up she doesn't evoke a whole lot of sympathy in her behaviour.

This makes her a lot harder to pick as a love interest in comparison to slightly gentler characters such as Liara and Tali. Although I suppose it does add some depth to her as she is outwardly quite prickly but nicer once you get to know her, whereas Liara and Tali just seem to be somewhat affectionate towards you straight away.

That's not to say that I actively dislike her, there are many aspects of her character that I admire, it's just that she seems very unapproachable and her mistrust of non-humans is a little hard to get along with for people who are fond of the other races in the game.

Just my 2 cents.

I also support the idea that she needs to be a real character in Mass Effect 3 rather than a cameo in Mass Effect 2, but I think that's pretty much guaranteed.

Thanks for being civil that is a rarity sometimes here. The thing that drew me towards Ash and away from Liara and Tali is that Ash will be a partner in a relationship instead of a follower. I just never really seen that Liara or Tali have a postion on a topic that they have a solid stance on subject and cannot swayed (besides the geth with Tali). Ash has many of those which makes her more of a realistic character to me.

I do not hate either character maybe a little jealous but not hate. The only thing was that Tali creeped me out in ME2 she was the kid sister in ME1 to me and when she came on to Shep it was really uncomfortable. Liara just neve popped to me.
 
Plus there is the Squirrel Rule

[Xilizhra]

The thing that drew me towards Ash and away from Liara and Tali is that Ash will be a partner in a relationship instead of a follower.

LotSB. By this point Liara is very clearly an equal partner; in fact, at least in my opinion, more so than Ashley. Though this relationship dynamic works best with Femshep,an option sadly lacking for Ashley...

Also, squirrel rule?

[Telemachus78]

Rdubs wrote...

Quick question, how many of you played the original Mass Effect again after playing ME2? I've only played ME once, mainly because I liked it so much (plus I find myself speeding through the dialogue so what's the point). But I am thinking about playing it again mainly just to re-live the Ash/Shep interactions, but I'm also trying not to because right now I just have fond memories of their time together and going through it again won't be the same and might cheapen it. (For that reason some of my favorite movies I've only seen once because I know watching it a second time would not be the same.)

The other reason I haven't gone back to play ME was I liked the changes they made to ME2's gameplay over ME1 and now I don't want to go back.

@Lawp79 - you have a deal.

Maybe the Shooting and Biotic play was better but the scavanging, thousands of weapaons and armour, ansd the mods. ME1 is just so much more of an RPG than ME2 is so I play ME1 a lot more than ME2.

[lawp79]

I have recently started a new run through of the first game for an Ashley fix with my man shep, it didnt cheapen the relationship though it did make me slightly bitter, but overall it renewed my faith in Ashley and my liking of her in general. Also LotSB inspired me to make a female shep to have a romance with Liara as I could never pick Liara over Ashley if given the option.

[Batlass8]

Telemachus78 wrote...
Plus there is the Squirrel Rule ../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png

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Tele, I have ruined you forever!!! 

For those who don't know, the squirrel rule is a test that I, personally, use in gauging whether a relationship is inter-species or not.  It is a reminder to keep things human.  Not just in Mass Effect, but with Superman, Beauty & the Beast, etc.  Interspecies relationships are fine for other people, just not me.

My logic is always as follows:

Me: If you met an intelligent squirrel, Batlass, would you date him?
Also Me: Of course not.
Me: Then you shouldn't date this non-human thing, now, should you?
Also Me: You're right, Batlass. I don't know what I was thinking.
Me: That's why I make the decisions.

Edit: Formatting improved

Modifié par Batlass8, 16 février 2011 - 03:47 .

[Raanz]

Xilizhra wrote...

The thing that drew me towards Ash and away from Liara and Tali is that Ash will be a partner in a relationship instead of a follower.

LotSB. By this point Liara is very clearly an equal partner; in fact, at least in my opinion, more so than Ashley. Though this relationship dynamic works best with Femshep,an option sadly lacking for Ashley...
Also, squirrel rule?

Why do you think moreso with a FemShep?  heh. ok then.

With LotSB, yes Liara became a bit more fleshed out, and any relationship was allowed to continue, Ashley will get hers...we'll see where that goes.
In fact, I think Ashley was close to being an equal partner for Shep in ME1.

Modifié par Raanz, 16 février 2011 - 04:50 .

[SlottsMachine]

"NO LOVE FOR ALIENS"

"HUMANS FIRST"

"NO LOVE FOR ALIENS"

"HUMANS FIRST"

[Telemachus78]

Xilizhra wrote...

The thing that drew me towards Ash and away from Liara and Tali is that Ash will be a partner in a relationship instead of a follower.

LotSB. By this point Liara is very clearly an equal partner; in fact, at least in my opinion, more so than Ashley. Though this relationship dynamic works best with Femshep,an option sadly lacking for Ashley...
Also, squirrel rule?

Ok, I will clarify this a little. In the end of ME3 there will be a huge battle. With Liara I can see her sticking by Shepard's side with the rest of his squad in that battle. With Ash I can see her flanking the Reapers with her own squad. That is the type of LI I want and that is what I meant when I said I see Ash as a partner and not a follower. 

The Squirrel Rule is what Batlass said

[Rdubs]

Raanz wrote...
With LotSB, yes Liara became a bit more fleshed out, and any relationship was allowed to continue, Ashley will get hers...we'll see where that goes.

I'd be surprised (pleasantly) if Bioware came out with an ME2 DLC to further the Ashley relationship.  For disclosure I haven't romanced Liara and also haven't played LotSB to see how the romance is furtherd with Liara in it.  Maybe Bioware figured out a way to further the Liara relationship in LotSB in such a way that it doesn't cannabilize from potential mood highs they could give Liara lovers in ME3, but I'd be surprised if they "paid forward" some of the Ash happiness we're all hoping for in ME3 by releasing it in an ME2 DLC prior to ME3 release.

Was there a lot to how LotSB furthered the Liara romance, or was it just a few lines of dialogue?  Or did it have them getting back together complete with kisses and such?

Modifié par Rdubs, 16 février 2011 - 05:44 .

[Telemachus78]

@Rdubs: Against my better judgement I do not know if I want Ash to after the mission to just accept Shep back like Liara did. Because I feel she was cut deeper when Shep died and even more when they met on Horizon. So I think in her situation it would be more realistic for them have to start their relationship all over again.

Also as far as what I have heard Liara takes Shep back  but I have never experienced it so I couldn't tell you anything specific.

Modifié par Telemachus78, 16 février 2011 - 06:03 .

[Rdubs]

@Telemachus (BTW - isn't that the name of Captain Hunt's old XO on the TV series Andromeda?)



I completely see your point and do not strongly disagree. I'd hope she never stopped loving him despite the time so while I register that it might be hard to just pick up where they left off, I'm hoping they don't need to start from completely scratch like you mention.



I also wouldn't mind it if in ME3 (or the DLC) if they made us work to get back with Ashley. There's a lot they could do to make us jump through a couple hoops. I wouldn't mind doing a bunch of missions to help out the Alliance (remember "I'm an Alliance soldier, it's in my blood" stuff) if that's what it took to prove no longer with Cerberus as groundwork for a reunion. There's also some "cuter" things they could make us do, like Shep has to go track down each of Ash's sisters and get them to like him so they'll harass Ash that she should give Shep a second chance. (Although I think with as studly, famous and accomplished Shep is the sisters would be giggling like schoolgirls if they met him). But you get the idea.



Then again, I wouldn't mind it if things unfolded exactly the way Milla makes happen in her wonderful piece, or the way that other great author did in the Dinner on the Citadel story. Whatever it takes, we demand happily ever after! Understanding that some things are more gratifying the harder you have to work for them

[Telemachus78]

@Rdubs: I really do hope that is the way things fold out. Except for the part where you get to see her sisters although a mention of them would be nice. Although I am a realist and even though I am dying a little inside typing this I do not think Ash will end up together in the end .

They have become so different in the years that has put a huge wall between them and can it be knocked down of course but do I think it will happen, no sadly enough. 

Just read Katydid by Midnight Lion and it will help make my point more reasonable.

http://www.fanfictio...83424/1/Katydid

I take no credit for this story. That was for legal reasons. 

Telemachus is the son of Odysseus/Ulysses but it could be idk. 

Modifié par Telemachus78, 16 février 2011 - 06:45 .

[LessThanKate]

Machines Are Us wrote...

Kind of funny really, when I first started playing Mass Effect Ashley was most definitely the "racist" to me, although I can see where she gets her attitude from now and I don't think she is so much xenophobic as she is distrustful.

I think my main dislike of her character is that she is still very aggressive in her way of showing her opinions though, the same way that despite me understanding while Jack is messed up she doesn't evoke a whole lot of sympathy in her behaviour.

This makes her a lot harder to pick as a love interest in comparison to slightly gentler characters such as Liara and Tali. Although I suppose it does add some depth to her as she is outwardly quite prickly but nicer once you get to know her, whereas Liara and Tali just seem to be somewhat affectionate towards you straight away.

That's not to say that I actively dislike her, there are many aspects of her character that I admire, it's just that she seems very unapproachable and her mistrust of non-humans is a little hard to get along with for people who are fond of the other races in the game.

Just my 2 cents.

I also support the idea that she needs to be a real character in Mass Effect 3 rather than a cameo in Mass Effect 2, but I think that's pretty much guaranteed.

I can't say I blame you. It's a legitimate claim that she's more difficult, especially compared to Liara and Tali. Those two are not soldiers, though. Yes, they fight, but not in the sense that Ashley dos. It would be out of place, I think, for her to be sweet and understanding. She's a marine for the human race; she's not there to make nice with aliens, which could possibly complicate her job in the future.

I, personally, enjoyed the challenge that her romance provided. A litte conflict keeps things interesting...and while a find shyness to be cute, there was something about Liara's initial fumbling that turned me off. And I've said this before, but...I find Tali too sweet. For my Shepard, anyway. He's a tough, seasoned soldier, and he needs a woman to put him in his place, who understands...in his eyes, I imagine Liara and Tali are still girls. That does change for both of them in the sequel, but...even my worst Shepard doesn't cheat.

Also found Ashley's...warming up to be more fluid than Jack and Miranda's. To be fair, I've only watched theirs, not experienced it myself, but in addition to veiwing them in non romantic roles, it feels like they're difficult 90% of the time...but if you're nice enough to them, you may get to see that 10% at the very end.

[Rdubs]

@Telemachus

Understand your view, no offense but I hope you're wrong. Ash's email seemed to move her closer to him, not farther away. Time will tell I guess. I just read that fanfic, good writing but don't think that's a real plausible outcome. Maybe if something happened to Ash.

Let's just hope when the dev's mentioned that there would be some kind of reward for those who stay loyal, hopefully it's what we're hoping for and not something stupid like an achievement.

[Raanz]

Rdubs wrote...

Raanz wrote...
With LotSB, yes Liara became a bit more fleshed out, and any relationship was allowed to continue, Ashley will get hers...we'll see where that goes.

I'd be surprised (pleasantly) if Bioware came out with an ME2 DLC to further the Ashley relationship.  For disclosure I haven't romanced Liara and also haven't played LotSB to see how the romance is furtherd with Liara in it.  Maybe Bioware figured out a way to further the Liara relationship in LotSB in such a way that it doesn't cannabilize from potential mood highs they could give Liara lovers in ME3, but I'd be surprised if they "paid forward" some of the Ash happiness we're all hoping for in ME3 by releasing it in an ME2 DLC prior to ME3 release.

Was there a lot to how LotSB furthered the Liara romance, or was it just a few lines of dialogue?  Or did it have them getting back together complete with kisses and such?

As I have mentioned here many times before, I think one of the last 2 DLC will contain a resolution or closure to your ME1 LI if it was either Ash or Kaidan.  I should copy and paste some of what I believe to be circumstantial evidence to back up my belief.

A bit of a spoiler but yeah...most of Liara's dialogue is generic in nature, fitting Shepard regardless of how you react to Liara in ME1, but there are parts that are open to you if you romanced her initially...and yes, there is a resolution at the end.

[Xilizhra]

Ok, I will clarify this a little. In the end of ME3 there will be a huge battle. With Liara I can see her sticking by Shepard's side with the rest of his squad in that battle. With Ash I can see her flanking the Reapers with her own squad. That is the type of LI I want and that is what I meant when I said I see Ash as a partner and not a follower.

So... the Alliance operations chief already more accustomed, by career and possibly inclination, to working as a subordinate military squad member is more likely to run her own squad than the Shadow Broker? I admit, I don't quite follow your logic.

For those who don't know, the squirrel rule is a test that I, personally, use in gauging whether a relationship is inter-species or not. It is a reminder to keep things human. Not just in Mass Effect, but with Superman, Beauty & the Beast, etc. Interspecies relationships are fine for other people, just not me.

As I type this, I'm mouthing your statement to myself, trying to find an analogy that would explain how... incomprehensible this line of reasoning is. I suppose it's kind of like saying "Would I eat this baby? No? Then clearly it means I won't eat meat."

Was there a lot to how LotSB furthered the Liara romance, or was it just a few lines of dialogue? Or did it have them getting back together complete with kisses and such?

Much of the dialogue is generic, but it flows extremely well for rebuilding the romance.

[MillaShepard]

lawp79 wrote...

@Rdubs years and years of digging for random things on google has taught me well but it is still a dangerous thing to do if you are trying to avoid spoilers, that time I was lucky. I am hoping to pull it off for 3 aswell if I find out I will PM you, unless of cause you bump into that information first in which case PM me!

Wow, active thread today.

Oh, and can i get in on ^^ ?

[Telemachus78]

Xilizhra wrote...

So... the Alliance operations chief already more accustomed, by career and possibly inclination, to working as a subordinate military squad member is more likely to run her own squad than the Shadow Broker? I admit, I don't quite follow your logic.

I am saying that Liara is way to pasive of a personality to demand respect from subordinates to run a squad or army. The only thing she has right now is the resources and the respect that the title of shadow broker comes with. Ash has that personality to demand respect that she has had top do all her life because of her family situation. Where Liara stumbled upon a position of power. I do not think Liara has the personality to leader nor do I think she wants to.

But lets get back to Ashley

Modifié par Telemachus78, 16 février 2011 - 09:14 .

[Xilizhra]

I am saying that Liara is way to pasive of a personality to demand respect from subordinates to run a squad or army. The only thing she has right now is the resources and the respect that the title of shadow broker comes with. Ash has that personality to demand respect that she has had top do all her life because of her family situation. Where Liara stumbled upon a position of power. I do not think Liara has the personality to leader nor do I think she wants to.

Remember that she had two years to grow beyond her solitary ME1 personality (I wouldn't call it "passive" either; she's socially awkward but quite active in her own right, taking the initiative in her Prothean theories, her investigations into Shepard's background, and even her taking the lead in her romance scene), and she definitely had subordinates there. Now, as the Shadow Broker, her reach extends much farther, and she does, in fact, say outright that she wants the position. Likely she did, at least subconciously, for quite some time.

[Telemachus78]

Lets agree to disagree and get back on topic.



Because Ash is worth it.