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[Lord Zeuss]

@grift: Ashley has already dealt quite well with survivor's guilt from the incident on Virmire, I think.

Edit: ToP Ash

Modifié par Lord Zeuss, 05 avril 2011 - 02:17 .

[grifter024]

yes but this is a different form of survivors guilt. This is coming back to life guilt.

I see her having a problem with her religious background having being brought back to life when there are in her words probably other people more deserving. She likes selling herself short and I can see her feeling bad that she got a second chance when she personally thinks doesnt deserve it.....

Then again...my shep will be happy with her by his side again

[Balsam Beige]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Batlass8 wrote...

MillaShepard wrote...

Question for the thread...

If Ash were to die and Shep had the option to pull a "project lazarus" on her and bring her back, would your Shep do it? If yes.. why? If no.. why?

I don't think my canon!Shep would.  While love is ultimately one of the most selfish emotions, I'd argue true love means overcoming that very selfishness.  My Shep hated being brought back from the dead.  He's not religious, but it violated all the sanctity and respect he feels the dead should be treated with.  He loves Ash too much to disrespect her in that way.

This is an excellent question for pondering. I know my canon!Shep would do it without a second thought, at least unless she had specifically asked him not to (I don't know how that would ever come up, but there's always the outside possibility), and depending on the manner of her death. Of course, throughout the whole process, he'd constantly be tormenting himself with the question "Am I doing this for her, or just for me?"

He knows it’s possible to be brought back from the dead (or the very nearly for-all-clinical-purposes dead), and he would reason that if it were God’s plan for her to be dead, then nothing he could do would bring her back, and I think this is how Ashley would see it, if not necessarily right away. 

That being said:   If he brought her back, what would be the first words out of her mouth?

[Lord Zeuss]

@grift: I certainly don't think she'd be all butterflies and roses about it all right at first. For sure she'd have to deal with a lot of conflicting feelings about it. But like I said, I think she'd come to accept that (as she sees things) if God meant for her to be dead, she'd have stayed dead and nothing Shepard did could have brought her back.

"I don't know what God intends, Shepard." 

[Batlass8]

I wouldn't call myself an expert on Ash, by any stretch of the imagination, but I don't think she'd be particularly pleased with Shepard if he/she brought Ash back to life. (I'm not saying she might not come around, but her initial reaction would probably be negative).

Like I said before, to me/canon!Shep it seems disrespectful. Would Shep want to bring her back from the dead? Of course. But he felt very used/violated by Cerberus' arrogant decision to bring him back from the dead. Despite how upset he'd be at Ash's passing, he'd never presume to make that sort of decision for her.  (Of course, if Ash had some sort of clause in her will, he'd have no trouble going all Project Lazerous on her).

I don't mean to detract from anyone else's interpretation of their Shepard's relationship with Ash.  This is just how I see things.

Edited because my computer decided to post before I was done typing.  <_<

Modifié par Batlass8, 05 avril 2011 - 02:46 .

[Lord Zeuss]

Balsam Beige wrote...

That being said:   If he brought her back, what would be the first words out of her mouth?

"Well, that gives a whole new meaning to 'on the floor and give me twenty'.":whistle:

Sorry, I will be serious. It would probably depend on the circumstances of her death, what was going on, and so forth. Upon the full realization of what had happened to her, I think her immediate next response would be to ask about her sisters and her mother.

[ADLegend21]

Balsam Beige wrote...

That being said:   If he brought her back, what would be the first words out of her mouth?

"You brought me back?...oh skipper *big kiss*"

[Balsam Beige]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Balsam Beige wrote...

That being said:   If he brought her back, what would be the first words out of her mouth?

"Well, that gives a whole new meaning to 'on the floor and give me twenty'.":whistle:

Sorry, I will be serious. It would probably depend on the circumstances of her death, what was going on, and so forth. Upon the full realization of what had happened to her, I think her immediate next response would be to ask about her sisters and her mother.

Do you think the cicumstance of her death would determine her initial response? Does it matter when love is present? Would she consider him 'selfish" for bringing her back regardless of the circumstances?

Sorry for so many questions. Just pondering.

[Lord Zeuss]

Balsam Beige wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Balsam Beige wrote...

That being said:   If he brought her back, what would be the first words out of her mouth?

"Well, that gives a whole new meaning to 'on the floor and give me twenty'.":whistle:

Sorry, I will be serious. It would probably depend on the circumstances of her death, what was going on, and so forth. Upon the full realization of what had happened to her, I think her immediate next response would be to ask about her sisters and her mother.

Do you think the cicumstance of her death would determine her initial response? Does it matter when love is present? Would she consider him 'selfish" for bringing her back regardless of the circumstances?

Sorry for so many questions. Just pondering.

I think it is more likely that Ashley would be upset with Shepard for bringing her back if she'd had the chance to make peace with and accept her coming death (as on Virmire) than if she were randomly sniped out of the blue during Battle #168 of 679.

[Balsam Beige]

I'm just tying to work through and justify my Shepard doing anything to get her back. I guess I would feel better if I was confident that Ash would want that too...no matter what.

[StaffSgt. Dignam]

second chapter of my Ashley fanfic is up! http://www.fanfiction.net/~ssgdignam
 I have been writing like a madman for the past hour, so I'm gonna take a little break now.  
Oh, and on the question, have you ever seen Bicentenial Man where the woman Andrew falls for wants to go naturally instead of living with the use of machinery?
Yeah, I think Ash would want to go on her own terms.

Modifié par StaffSgt. Dignam, 05 avril 2011 - 03:24 .

[SilverRose208]

I think she'd almost view it as being selfish on Shepard's part to resurrect her. I don't think the language she'd hurl at him upon realizing it would be safe for a public forum... From my perspective the technology to raise the dead doesn't reconcile well with faith. Ash has a careful construct of faith that she lives by - if she were to die and see that it isn't what she believes, it could be devastating.

[Balsam Beige]

StaffSgt. Dignam wrote...

second chapter of my Ashley fanfic is up! http://www.fanfiction.net/~ssgdignam
 I have been writing like a madman for the past hour, so I'm gonna take a little break now.  
Oh, and on the question, have you ever seen Bicentenial Man where the woman Andrew falls for wants to go naturally instead of living with the use of machinery?
Yeah, I think Ash would want to go on her own terms.

Dignam, I haven't read any of your fanfiction yet, but I will. I'm reading SilverRoses' now.
Thanks everyone for putting up with the new kid today. I"m going to bed.

[SilverRose208]

Oh, gosh.. I haven't been around too much lately - didn't realize you were new, Balsam. So, welcome! And thanks for reading my fan fic and for your kind comments.

[Balsam Beige]

SilverRose208 wrote...

Oh, gosh.. I haven't been around too much lately - didn't realize you were new, Balsam. So, welcome! And thanks for reading my fan fic and for your kind comments.

Thanks for the welcome Silver. And thanks everyone for giving me a better understanding of Ashleys' views.

I can confidently say now that my Shep would not bring her back.  And Ash would say  "Thanks skipper for understanding!"

[Lee337]

Balsam Beige wrote...

Dignam, I haven't read any of your fanfiction yet, but I will. I'm reading SilverRoses' now.
Thanks everyone for putting up with the new kid today. I"m going to bed.

Dignams is pretty good, has the film noir vibe. Makes me imagine it all in black and white and also imagine that everyone is smoking giant cigars.

[grifter024]

Balsam Beige wrote...


I can confidently say now that my Shep would not bring her back.  And Ash would say  "Thanks skipper for understanding!"

Your shep is stronger then my shep. My shep wont try to show hes hurting but when hes alone hed brood and hate everything in the galaxy due to not having ashley. How your shep can let her go like that is beyond my sheps understanding.

Modifié par grifter024, 05 avril 2011 - 06:17 .

[Antivenger]

Are you sure Ash could even handle being resurrected? Shepard was already deemed a special case when he retained his sanity from receiving the vision from the Prothean Beacon. It's also pretty much his destiny to save the galaxy from mass extinction. Plus she believes in god. Shep didn't retain any memories from any supposed afterlife that may exist, how do you think you would feel if a large part of your life turned out to be a lie?

[Lee337]

grifter024 wrote...

Balsam Beige wrote...


I can confidently say now that my Shep would not bring her back.  And Ash would say  "Thanks skipper for understanding!"

Your shep is stronger then my shep. My shep wont try to show hes hurting but when hes alone hed brood and hate everything in the galaxy due to not having ashley. How your shep can let her go like that is beyond my sheps understanding.

My Shep would walk up to the raised platform galaxy map and start sing "That's life!" by Frank Sinatra.
 

[Lee337]

Antivenger wrote...

Are you sure Ash could even handle being resurrected? Shepard was already deemed a special case when he retained his sanity from receiving the vision from the Prothean Beacon. It's also pretty much his destiny to save the galaxy from mass extinction. Plus she believes in god. Shep didn't retain any memories from any supposed afterlife that may exist, how do you think you would feel if a large part of your life turned out to be a lie?

I'd also get up and start singing "That's life!". But normal people would be a bit distressed, especially if they now believe that there is no afterlife, and become very scared of death.

[Lee337]

http://www.fanfiction.net/~lee337

I gave some writing a go! The last time I wrote anything creative was when I was 7 and I won an award for a 5 page book based on a wizards assistant, so needless to say I've got no experience at this!
It's based on Ashley after Horizon (like Dignams new one...do'h!), but I left Shepard out of it, at least in a physical presence. He's got to many puppies to save.

[Vojtass]

Shadow_82 wrote...
Ash needs your votes!social.bioware.com/314161/polls/17998/

Here we go again. VS vs. Tali.

[StaffSgt. Dignam]

Lee337 wrote...

http://www.fanfiction.net/~lee337

I gave some writing a go! The last time I wrote anything creative was when I was 7 and I won an award for a 5 page book based on a wizards assistant, so needless to say I've got no experience at this!
It's based on Ashley after Horizon (like Dignams new one...do'h!), but I left Shepard out of it, at least in a physical presence. He's got to many puppies to save.

Nice fanfic so far!  I'm looking forward to more chapters.

[Balsam Beige]

SilverRose208 wrote...

I think she'd almost view it as being selfish on Shepard's part to resurrect her. I don't think the language she'd hurl at him upon realizing it would be safe for a public forum... From my perspective the technology to raise the dead doesn't reconcile well with faith. Ash has a careful construct of faith that she lives by - if she were to die and see that it isn't what she believes, it could be devastating.

Could you picture BioWares' take on this scene:

Ashley:  Shepard!!! What the blank, blank, blank are you doing!!! etc.

Shepard:  It's been too long Ash, How have you been? (goofy grin)

Ashley:  That's it!!!! You bring me back and.............

Modifié par Balsam Beige, 05 avril 2011 - 01:19 .