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[GRISHASAUR]

hey if ash did become Spectre she and shep might have fun with that

[Badpie]

Chapter 12 of Untitled is up.  

http://www.fanfictio...Untitled_Effect

[grifter024]

Cant wait to read tonights.

[Raanz]

Badpie wrote...

Chapter 12 of Untitled is up.  

http://www.fanfictio...Untitled_Effect

Sweet.  Thanks for making my b-day an overall good one. 

[PrinceLionheart]

Raanz wrote...

Badpie wrote...

Chapter 12 of Untitled is up.  

http://www.fanfictio...Untitled_Effect

Sweet.  Thanks for making my b-day an overall good one. 

Happy B-Day man! 

[Badpie]

Happy birthday, Raanz!

[Lord Zeuss]

Raanz wrote...

Badpie wrote...

Chapter 12 of Untitled is up.  

http://www.fanfictio...Untitled_Effect

Sweet.  Thanks for making my b-day an overall good one. 

Goodness me, where are my manners?

[Badpie]

Oh I love that pic so much.

[Rdubs]

Badpie wrote...

Chapter 12 of Untitled is up.  

http://www.fanfictio...Untitled_Effect

Thanks again Badpie for another masterpiece!  It's great to finally start seeing the two heros come together.

Thought I'd just throw this out there for everyone's knowledge, as a former officer in the US military we are quite familiar with fraternization.  It's been a while but if I recall fraternization is defined as "an unduly familiar relationship, prejudicial to good order and discipline."  There are generally two kinds: 1) between any officer and any enlisted person; and 2) officer/officer or enlisted/enlisted serving in the same command, normally when one is the other one's senior.  In reality, no one really pays much attention to the first as long as not in the same command.  But the reason I don't think the crew would care much if Shepard and Ashley were dating is because Ashley would be almost certainly assigned to the ship only temporarily until the Saren mission is done, and so since she isn't a permanent member of the crew I doubt anyone would care very much.  As long as Shep didn't do things like order others into the line of fire instead of her just so she wouldn't be at risk, or showed other kinds of blatent favoritism, no one would object much.  Ash's concern that her family's reputation, which she has worked so hard to rebuild, could be at stake is a much more realistic fear.  But on the whole I doubt anyone would care much (Badpie I think you nailed this one in one of your stories about the cleaning person talking to Joker about it and he's like, where have you been???).

Modifié par Rdubs, 22 avril 2011 - 10:32 .

[Rdubs]

Oh, another random thought, I think it would suck if Ash were to be made a Spectre. It would kind of reduce the "relative awesomeness" Shepard has over Ash. I'd imagine that part of why Ash is attracted to Shep is because he embodies much of what Ash hopes to attain, and once she attains it, there no longer would be that part of the attraction. Shep would then need to have another way of causing her to look up to him, maybe by being the "Chief Spectre" or something. Who knows, maybe they are just such a good fit for each other personality-wise that her and him being "equals" in that regard wouldn't reduce her attraction to him, but on the whole I'd rather let Shep keep the "unattainably awesome" aura.

[IndigoWolfe]

*Sigh* There has to be a mathematical equation that dictated the rate at which "Miranda vs. Ashley" threads accrue.

[Badpie]

Rdubs wrote...

Oh, another random thought, I think it would suck if Ash were to be made a Spectre. It would kind of reduce the "relative awesomeness" Shepard has over Ash. I'd imagine that part of why Ash is attracted to Shep is because he embodies much of what Ash hopes to attain, and once she attains it, there no longer would be that part of the attraction. Shep would then need to have another way of causing her to look up to him, maybe by being the "Chief Spectre" or something. Who knows, maybe they are just such a good fit for each other personality-wise that her and him being "equals" in that regard wouldn't reduce her attraction to him, but on the whole I'd rather let Shep keep the "unattainably awesome" aura.

Thanks for reading. 

But I disagree with you about Ash being attracted to Shepard because of what he is.  They really are equals, on the same field which is why they work well I think.  To say that she wouldn't be attracted to him if he wasn't senior to her in some way is kind of insulting to the content of her character I think.  She has a great respect for the man, not his title - and likewise he has a great respect for the woman and not her rank or title.  Shepard is not "unattainably awesome."  If he were he wouldn't' be at all interesting.  Part of what makes him amazing is that he's just another person like anyone else, thrust into the lead on some pretty heavy sh*t that he handles with the help of some really great team members.

[ADLegend21]

Rdubs wrote...

Oh, another random thought, I think it would suck if Ash were to be made a Spectre. It would kind of reduce the "relative awesomeness" Shepard has over Ash. I'd imagine that part of why Ash is attracted to Shep is because he embodies much of what Ash hopes to attain, and once she attains it, there no longer would be that part of the attraction. Shep would then need to have another way of causing her to look up to him, maybe by being the "Chief Spectre" or something. Who knows, maybe they are just such a good fit for each other personality-wise that her and him being "equals" in that regard wouldn't reduce her attraction to him, but on the whole I'd rather let Shep keep the "unattainably awesome" aura.

Relative awesomeness?! What the hell does that have to do with Ashley ebing skilled as a spectre. Taht is a terrible assumption that if Ash was a Spectre she'd go "Well you're not awesome anymore, so I don't love you" that's is incredibly insulting to her character and makes her look like a she's a user and slept with Shepard to just rise up the ranks.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I don't know that I would say that Ash being a Spectre is what makes the most sense but I can still sort of see it as being conceivable. She (or Kaidan) was already working solo on an operation for the Alliance so it's sort of similar. I just don't know that it would be the next logical step to make her a full fledged Spectre.

[Balsam Beige]

To me, it just dosn't fit into the story for the VS to be a Spectre. It states in Mass Effect Wiki "Candidates for the Spectres typically have years of military or law enforcement experience before even being considered. The screening process involves background checks, phychological evaluations, and a long period of field training under as experienced mentor.' Does the VS qualify? Is it because he/she is considered a hero for their role in saving the Citadel? If that's what qualifies them, then what about Garrus? Or Liara? Wouldn't the Turian representative object to the human VS and request Garrus? Afterall, Garrus was not only with Shepard when they saved the Citadel but he also helped him take down a Collector Base and went through the Omega 4 Relay. And what about the asari representative recommending Liara? She was with Shepard when he saved the Citadel and she also helped him take down the Shadow Broker. Who is qualified and who isn't? Why dosen't Bioware make all the squadmates Spectres!!! Then they could create a new higher rank for Shepard. Say......Demigod.
"Here comes Demigod Shepard and his little band of Spectres to save the universe from the reaper threat!!!!!!"

I'm not bashing the VS, you know the way I feel about Ash. I just don't believe it fits into the story with what we know about the Council, and Spectres etc. I'm more critical of Bioware if they just wrote it in without proper thought, considering the story as written so far.

I hope this make sense. I'm not a writer like Badpie and others on this thread.

[IndigoWolfe]

Rdubs wrote...

Oh, another random thought, I think it would suck if Ash were to be made a Spectre. It would kind of reduce the "relative awesomeness" Shepard has over Ash. I'd imagine that part of why Ash is attracted to Shep is because he embodies much of what Ash hopes to attain, and once she attains it, there no longer would be that part of the attraction. Shep would then need to have another way of causing her to look up to him, maybe by being the "Chief Spectre" or something. Who knows, maybe they are just such a good fit for each other personality-wise that her and him being "equals" in that regard wouldn't reduce her attraction to him, but on the whole I'd rather let Shep keep the "unattainably awesome" aura.

This is defintitely one of the more unique views I've seen coming from an Ash fan in a long while.

[IndigoWolfe]

@Basalm Beige

What about Saren? He was promoted to Spectre status at the age of twenty. My guess is it's because potential was seen in him by the Spectres and the Council.

Is it that much of a stretch for something similar to happen in the case of the Virmire Survivor?

[ADLegend21]

Balsam Beige wrote...

To me, it just dosn't fit into the story for the VS to be a Spectre. It states in Mass Effect Wiki "Candidates for the Spectres typically have years of military or law enforcement experience before even being considered. The screening process involves background checks, phychological evaluations, and a long period of field training under as experienced mentor.' Does the VS qualify? Is it because he/she is considered a hero for their role in saving the Citadel? If that's what qualifies them, then what about Garrus? Or Liara? Wouldn't the Turian representative object to the human VS and request Garrus? Afterall, Garrus was not only with Shepard when they saved the Citadel but he also helped him take down a Collector Base and went through the Omega 4 Relay. And what about the asari representative recommending Liara? She was with Shepard when he saved the Citadel and she also helped him take down the Shadow Broker. Who is qualified and who isn't? Why dosen't Bioware make all the squadmates Spectres!!! Then they could create a new higher rank for Shepard. Say......Demigod.
"Here comes Demigod Shepard and his little band of Spectres to save the universe from the reaper threat!!!!!!"

I'm not bashing the VS, you know the way I feel about Ash. I just don't believe it fits into the story with what we know about the Council, and Spectres etc. I'm more critical of Bioware if they just wrote it in without proper thought, considering the story as written so far.

I hope this make sense. I'm not a writer like Badpie and others on this thread.

Garrus is a merc. once the council gets wind of what he did then they'd dimiss him as a gun for hire since he didn't go and get political status like Wrex or Tali. Liara's a doctor and the shadow Broker, she doesn't NEED to be a spectre. Spectre's arethe best ofthe best and are evaluated by their future peers. Garrus is knownfor leaving C-Sec twice but the VS stayed with the Alliance and worked on solo missions from teh Citadel (which they say they're reporting back to at the end of Horizon.not arcturus, the citadel) it seems like it'sa done deal during ME2 but they never return possibly due to their spectre duties. i would forgive Bioware for not making the VS available if they were spectre's because you can never track a spectre down unless you know what they're after like Saren.

[Balsam Beige]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

@Basalm Beige

What about Saren? He was promoted to Spectre status at the age of twenty. My guess is it's because potential was seen in him by the Spectres and the Council.

Is it that much of a stretch for something similar to happen in the case of the Virmire Survivor?

True, but Saren was a Turian not Human like the VS. Remember the prejudice against Humans by the Council in ME1.

[Antivenger]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

@Basalm Beige

What about Saren? He was promoted to Spectre status at the age of twenty. My guess is it's because potential was seen in him by the Spectres and the Council.

Is it that much of a stretch for something similar to happen in the case of the Virmire Survivor?

The Turian councillor might have been partial to him because he was a Turian. Though that might be untrue, he is an ass, yes but we don't really know if he shows such blatant favouritism. Mordin said his nephew got some sort of scholorship I think? At the age of 16. While he's smart, he's not a genius (not like Mordin at least). Salarians live short lives, and he would have seen Saren as both a qualified adult and an asset. The Asari councillor would have already been assured of his capabilities and then maybe convinced by the other two like the Turian councillor was with Shepard.

Getting back on track, I agree with Balsam. The Spectres go through all kinds of testing and whatnot. Kaidan might be a more reasonable candidate, due to being a biotic and having military experience. But Ash.. she's only spent a few months in real combat, and she only has two years before horizon. Not a lot of time to build up a reputation. Even more so since she's doing secret work against the Reapers.

[IndigoWolfe]

And you don't think having humans on the Council would influence the situation at all?

Look at it this way; it's likely that the Alliance put pressure on the Council for more human Spectres after ME1 took place. And if the Council survived ME1, then they would probably see the Virmire Survivor as someone they could more easily control than a more conventionally qualified operative. If the Council didn't survive, then I could imagine them using the VS's association with Shepard as a public relations angle. Spectres aren't as influential as they used to be.

[Antivenger]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

And you don't think having humans on the Council would influence the situation at all?

Look at it this way; it's likely that the Alliance put pressure on the Council for more human Spectres after ME1 took place. And if the Council survived ME1, then they would probably see the Virmire Survivor as someone they could more easily control than a more conventionally qualified operative. If the Council didn't survive, then I could imagine them using the VS's association with Shepard as a public relations angle. Spectres aren't as influential as they used to be.

No, no I didn't actually  Sorry, I always forget that there's a human councillor now. Maybe because it's Udina in my game. When you think of how awesome ME3 will be, the last thing you want to think of is Udina.

Yes, I get what you're trying to convey, and my opinion is starting to drift towards "Yes, VS is now a ghost SpecTRe." But the idea still seems unnattractive to me.

Modifié par Antivenger, 23 avril 2011 - 12:29 .

[Balsam Beige]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

And you don't think having humans on the Council would influence the situation at all?

Look at it this way; it's likely that the Alliance put pressure on the Council for more human Spectres after ME1 took place. And if the Council survived ME1, then they would probably see the Virmire Survivor as someone they could more easily control than a more conventionally qualified operative. If the Council didn't survive, then I could imagine them using the VS's association with Shepard as a public relations angle. Spectres aren't as influential as they used to be.

Ok, I hear you. But do you think Bioware had this in mind (the VS a Spectre in ME3) when they originally brainstormed the story at the beginning? Was it part of the big picture? or was it something decided after ME2 to get a WOW! from the fans?

Modifié par Balsam Beige, 23 avril 2011 - 12:35 .