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[PMC65]

Balsam Beige wrote...

Can you imagine the 24 hour news programs, equivalent to msnbc and fox news debating whether Ashley should be considered a Spectre or not. One side bringing up her military record and her helping save the Citadel, and the other bringing up her grandfathers surrender at Shanxi and all the prejudice involved. That would be interesting.

To be honest, I don't think there would be a debate. I see Shanxi as an event that would have touched on all lives (like a massive 9/11, Pearl Harbor, Omagh). I thought the little back and forth between Garrus and Charles Saracino, Terra Firma, was interesting and I had to agree with Saracino. If you go to stop a child from hurting himself or others you don't kill him to do it.  

The game starts with the Ambassador and 2 Admiral's discussing you as a potential Spectre. They see the need as it drives us (humanity) one more step closer to a seat on the council. Now that we have a seat and a Spectre I am not really sure if anyone would care (media wise) about future Spectres. You know, been there, done that.

I also can't see Ash being too happy about becoming a Spectre either ... She is die-hard Alliance to me. If she is a Spectre my first reaction would be that she was "pushed" into it by the brass and not really happy about it. Ash would not like answering to non-humans. It would make her feel more like the "dog". And before the "racist" card gets thrown out, I don't think of Ash that way. She understands that if it came down to each of our worlds, it would be natural to protect your own at all cost. Save Earth or Tuchanka? Sorry Wrex.

[ADLegend21]

PMC65 wrote...

The game starts with the Ambassador and 2 Admiral's discussing you as a potential Spectre. They see the need as it drives us (humanity) one more step closer to a seat on the council. Now that we have a seat and a Spectre I am not really sure if anyone would care (media wise) about future Spectres. You know, been there, done that.

I also can't see Ash being too happy about becoming a Spectre either ... She is die-hard Alliance to me. If she is a Spectre my first reaction would be that she was "pushed" into it by the brass and not really happy about it. Ash would not like answering to non-humans. It would make her feel more like the "dog". And before the "racist" card gets thrown out, I don't think of Ash that way. She understands that if it came down to each of our worlds, it would be natural to protect your own at all cost. Save Earth or Tuchanka? Sorry Wrex.

It's said several times during ME1 that Shepard is still alliance despite being a Spectre it's just that she takes orders from the council. Hacckett says so when he tells you about hannibal station on the moon.

[PMC65]

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PMC65 wrote...

The game starts with the Ambassador and 2 Admiral's discussing you as a potential Spectre. They see the need as it drives us (humanity) one more step closer to a seat on the council. Now that we have a seat and a Spectre I am not really sure if anyone would care (media wise) about future Spectres. You know, been there, done that.

I also can't see Ash being too happy about becoming a Spectre either ... She is die-hard Alliance to me. If she is a Spectre my first reaction would be that she was "pushed" into it by the brass and not really happy about it. Ash would not like answering to non-humans. It would make her feel more like the "dog". And before the "racist" card gets thrown out, I don't think of Ash that way. She understands that if it came down to each of our worlds, it would be natural to protect your own at all cost. Save Earth or Tuchanka? Sorry Wrex.

It's said several times during ME1 that Shepard is still alliance despite being a Spectre it's just that she takes orders from the council. Hacckett says so when he tells you about hannibal station on the moon.

But would Ash feel that way? I can just see her standing before the Council as she gives her progress update. Ash has always said that she hates politics and add that "frickin" Turian councilor in the mix? OK, that would be worth buying the game! Sticker on box reads "Turian speaks, Ashley freaks"!

[nickkcin11]

Well, maybe she answers mostly to the human Councilor, either Udina or Anderson. And it is advancing humanity so I'm sure she would do it.

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nickkcin11 wrote...

Well, maybe she answers mostly to the human Councilor, either Udina or Anderson. And it is advancing humanity so I'm sure she would do it.

that's a good point. I'm sure Spectre's mainly answer to the councilor of their species, and if not then like in ME1 they answer to the other councilors.

[Endurium]

I could see Ashley accepting Spectre status from the standpoint of convenience; it does provide numerous freedoms after all, and you don't have to give up your allegiance to home race. It also lets her bypass all the politics that comes from doing things the old fashioned way. I see her as always hating politics; it's one thing she and I agree on completely.

[Lee337]

I'm sure she'd definately like to bypass politics. It was said in game the Spectres aren't held as highly as they used to be, or something along those lines. So I doubt they are as strict with awarding the status as they used to be.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I admit it would be interesting to see Ashley as a Spectre. She'd have to be working closely with the inter-species council, meaning she'd probably be working for more than just humanity's interests, and have to make a lot of decisions for herself. I would imagine that may probably soften her mistrust of aliens, or at least help her see their perspective better.

[Badpie]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I admit it would be interesting to see Ashley as a Spectre. She'd have to be working closely with the inter-species council, meaning she'd probably be working for more than just humanity's interests, and have to make a lot of decisions for herself. I would imagine that may probably soften her mistrust of aliens, or at least help her see their perspective better.

Or it may make her more dubious of them.  She's never particularly been a fan of the Council but having to deal with the maneuvering and politics on a more inclusive basis might make her dislike them more.  Especially if she feels like they're proving her point of "their own races will always be more important to them than humans."

Modifié par Badpie, 24 avril 2011 - 11:58 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Well I suppose it does depend on what she ends up doing for them, some of what Spectres are asigned to do are the things that are in the best interest of galactic stablity and hence all races, especially since humans are on the Council now. Others might be the type of thing to make Ashley pause.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 25 avril 2011 - 12:05 .

[JeffZero]

Can someone verify Ashley's date of birth for me? I looked at the wiki and it has her down for April 14th, 2158 but I could have sworn she was 28 years old in ME1. I guess I was way off, eh?

[Badpie]

JeffZero wrote...

Can someone verify Ashley's date of birth for me? I looked at the wiki and it has her down for April 14th, 2158 but I could have sworn she was 28 years old in ME1. I guess I was way off, eh?

She was 25 in ME1.  The information on the wiki is correct.

[JeffZero]

Badpie wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Can someone verify Ashley's date of birth for me? I looked at the wiki and it has her down for April 14th, 2158 but I could have sworn she was 28 years old in ME1. I guess I was way off, eh?

She was 25 in ME1.  The information on the wiki is correct.

Alright, thank you!

[Balsam Beige]

When Ash says in her e-mail to Shepard that she has changed, how so? I know two years can be a long time. She has had to deal with tragic loss and the effects of war and promotion. I guess I'm curious about how Bioware will change her, personality wise. Shepard died, but his personality basically remained the same in ME2. How will she be? Life events can make some people more sober and serious. Will she be changed? I love the ME1 Ash!!!

[Antivenger]

My guess is she would have took on a more serious attitude due to Shepard's death and the severity of the impending Reaper threat. Other than that though, it would depend on when or how she gets inducted into the SpecTRes.

What did she do in SpecTRe employ? Was she sent on missions fighting Batarian Slavers? If so, she would have propably developed a hate for them, seeing humans chained and beaten. Was she sent to negotiate with kidnappers like the L2 terrorist in ME1? If so, she would have had to develop a more charismatic persona. It is all really dependant on what she's been doing during those two years.

Actually, was she even a SpecTRe during that time? Maybe she becomes one during the gap between ME2 and ME3. Damn it, need more info!!

[Csec_2]

If Miranda returns as a squadmember in ME3, I'll enjoy seeing the cat fight between her and Ash. But of course I'll pick Ash<3

Modifié par Csec_2, 25 avril 2011 - 11:29 .

[Errol Dnamyx]

Judging by Mirandas behavior when you are following both her and Jacks romance dialogue, I doubt there will be much of a cat fight. Some comments and stink eyes - yes. Cat fight- No.

[Antivenger]

How come a lot of the people who move on from Ash went on with Miranda? I see no correlation of personalities between them. Is it because of a need for an LI? Why not Tali or Jack?

Modifié par Antivenger, 25 avril 2011 - 11:57 .

[Lee337]

You think Tali and Jack are closer to Ashleys character?

[Badpie]

I think Jack is much closer to Ash's personality than Miranda or Tali.

As for the catfight thing I wish people would just drop that stupidly insulting, immature line of BS. It's something a 12 year old would want to see - two women fighting over a dude. And something two idiotic women with no class would resort to. UGH. Makes me so angry. I'll be really disappointed if they go that route.

Balsam, as for how Ash has changed - I would imagine that in two years she will change in the same way most other people change in two years:  She's older, wiser, more mature.  Maybe she's more serious having to take on more serious responsibilites.  Maybe she's a bit more cynical or hopeful.  Who knows?  But the reason Shepard didn't "change" is because it was like he went to bed and woke up the same person two years later.

Modifié par Badpie, 25 avril 2011 - 02:25 .

[DWH1982]

Lee337 wrote...

 It was said in game the Spectres aren't held as highly as they used to be, or something along those lines. So I doubt they are as strict with awarding the status as they used to be.

I'm pretty sure this line of dialouge depends on what happened to the Council at the end of ME1.

If the Council lived, Spectres are pretty much the same as they always were. If the Council died, the power given to Spectres has been reigned in.

Which hints upon a problem with making the VS a Spectre... it makes more sense with certain decisions that were made at the end of ME1 than others. And different ME1 outcomes also mean different factors to take into account.

For example, if your "canon" playthrough has a human dominated Council, it makes perfect sense to have more human Spectres, even if they aren't as powerful as they used to be. Under this scenario, I think the whole question of whether Ash can "get along" with the Council isn't as important, though I guess she'd still probably have issues with politicians in general.

On the other hand, if you have the original Council, or a "reformed" Council with members from a wide variety of races, I think it must have been much harder to convince them to appoint another human Spectre, almost to the point where making the VS a Spectre doesn't make sense to me.  Under either scenario, Ash's mistrust of aliens could also potentially be an issue, though in all fairness she has shown a willingness to work with aliens to get things done in the past.

[BoogieBot]

Hey ppl I'm new here. Been checking out this thread every month or so since ME2. & enjoy that I'm not the only 1 that thinks about ash ALL the time ha. If anyone is also a lbp fan let me know.. I'm working on a mass effect project.

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Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Judging by Mirandas behavior when you are following both her and Jacks romance dialogue, I doubt there will be much of a cat fight. Some comments and stink eyes - yes. Cat fight- No.

This.

[Balsam Beige]

DWH1982 wrote...

Lee337 wrote...

 It was said in game the Spectres aren't held as highly as they used to be, or something along those lines. So I doubt they are as strict with awarding the status as they used to be.

I'm pretty sure this line of dialouge depends on what happened to the Council at the end of ME1.

If the Council lived, Spectres are pretty much the same as they always were. If the Council died, the power given to Spectres has been reigned in.

Which hints upon a problem with making the VS a Spectre... it makes more sense with certain decisions that were made at the end of ME1 than others. And different ME1 outcomes also mean different factors to take into account.

For example, if your "canon" playthrough has a human dominated Council, it makes perfect sense to have more human Spectres, even if they aren't as powerful as they used to be. Under this scenario, I think the whole question of whether Ash can "get along" with the Council isn't as important, though I guess she'd still probably have issues with politicians in general.

On the other hand, if you have the original Council, or a "reformed" Council with members from a wide variety of races, I think it must have been much harder to convince them to appoint another human Spectre, almost to the point where making the VS a Spectre doesn't make sense to me.  Under either scenario, Ash's mistrust of aliens could also potentially be an issue, though in all fairness she has shown a willingness to work with aliens to get things done in the past.

I agree with you. I was trying to say something similar a few days ago but you did a much better job conveying it.


Welcome, BoogieBot! I was like you, I read this thread for quite some time before I started posting. This is a great thread to help with the "Ash void". And there are some great people writing on it. I really enjoy asking questions and reading their comments, they have some great insight. Also, the fanfiction is awesome!!! (Shep/Ash LI centered of course).

Modifié par Balsam Beige, 25 avril 2011 - 11:29 .