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[Lord Zeuss]

KendallX23 wrote...

i don't get it..why ws it shameful for Grandpa Williams to surrender...he had no choice...fighting till all are dead is stupid..better live to fight another day

It wasn't shameful, it was honorable and heroic what he did. He and his men held out for as long as humanly possible, with no hope of relief or rescue, and in the end he did what he did to save as many lives as he could in the face of annihilating defeat.

The Alliance screwed him over because losing territory to an alien race was politically humiliating.

[SilverRose208]

Sigh.. Pyro, if only you knew.



Erhm. Ashley is an exemplary marine!

[drunken pyromaniac]

SilverRose208 wrote...

Sigh.. Pyro, if only you knew.

Erhm. Ashley is an exemplary marine!

Knew what? What did I do?

[Lord Zeuss]

Just to let y'all know, I created a group thread for all the normal off-topicness. It's here.

Modificata da Lord Zeuss, 25 maggio 2010 - 07:12 .

[SilverRose208]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

KendallX23 wrote...

i don't get it..why ws it shameful for Grandpa Williams to surrender...he had no choice...fighting till all are dead is stupid..better live to fight another day

It wasn't shameful, it was honorable and heroic what he did. He and his men held out for as long as humanly possible, with no hope of relief or rescue, and in the end he did what he did to save as many lives as he could in the face of annihilating defeat.

The Alliance screwed him over because losing territory to an alien race was politically humiliating.

Every failed campaign needs a scapegoat, unfortunately.  Some probably thought Williams negotiated the surrender with the Turians to his benefit or somesuch, like Benedict Arnold surrendering West Point.  Actually, all of Benedict Arnold's children and grandchildren who had military careers served in the British army, some with a lot of success - maybe Ash would have had better luck enlisting with the Turians?

[ashlover mark 2]

it shows alot about ashleys charecter too join a military where your seen as worthless,even less then normal beacuz of something that wasnt her fault.ashley should win a best sqaudmate of all time award or something.i mean she hung in there fought hard and is finally getting the attention she desreves from the alliance....go ASH!!!!

[Lord Zeuss]

SilverRose208 wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

KendallX23 wrote...

i don't get it..why ws it shameful for Grandpa Williams to surrender...he had no choice...fighting till all are dead is stupid..better live to fight another day

It wasn't shameful, it was honorable and heroic what he did. He and his men held out for as long as humanly possible, with no hope of relief or rescue, and in the end he did what he did to save as many lives as he could in the face of annihilating defeat.

The Alliance screwed him over because losing territory to an alien race was politically humiliating.

Every failed campaign needs a scapegoat, unfortunately.  Some probably thought Williams negotiated the surrender with the Turians to his benefit or somesuch, like Benedict Arnold surrendering West Point.  Actually, all of Benedict Arnold's children and grandchildren who had military careers served in the British army, some with a lot of success - maybe Ash would have had better luck enlisting with the Turians?

MacArthur lost the Phillipines, but he was a hero for losing the Phillipines.

[ashlover mark 2]

so anybody in here think that ashley is doing something BIG behind the scenes in ME2,and that a possible answer will be given as too why her file is soo classifed that even TIM couldnt get into it.or do you guyz just think its nothing???

[TobiTobsen]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

KendallX23 wrote...

i don't get it..why ws it shameful for Grandpa Williams to surrender...he had no choice...fighting till all are dead is stupid..better live to fight another day

It wasn't shameful, it was honorable and heroic what he did. He and his men held out for as long as humanly possible, with no hope of relief or rescue, and in the end he did what he did to save as many lives as he could in the face of annihilating defeat.

The Alliance screwed him over because losing territory to an alien race was politically humiliating.

^This!
They just needed someone to blame after they lost there first engagement against aliens and who would be better than the General who surrenderd a planet to them?

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

so anybody in here think that ashley is doing something BIG behind the scenes in ME2,and that a possible answer will be given as too why her file is soo classifed that even TIM couldnt get into it.or do you guyz just think its nothing???

Who knows if TIM is telling us the truth? He is always holding something back when we talk to him... maybe he knows something that would help Shepard to not look like a jerk an Horizon, or something that would be a good reason to quit working for Cerberus and doesn't want Shepard to know... TIM is a sneaky guy.

Modificata da TobiTobsen, 25 maggio 2010 - 08:09 .

[ashlover mark 2]

i like too think that shes doing something awsome in the background.i look at it like this just beacuz a few idoits or defeatists in the alliance want too belive there is no reaper threat dosnt mean they ALL think like that.im guessing admirals like hackett along with anderson are sending marnie teams too look for proof I.E. ashley.

[SilverRose208]

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

i like too think that shes doing something awsome in the background.i look at it like this just beacuz a few idoits or defeatists in the alliance want too belive there is no reaper threat dosnt mean they ALL think like that.im guessing admirals like hackett along with anderson are sending marnie teams too look for proof I.E. ashley.

I'll bite.
We know that Anderson still believes in the reaper threat - he says as much to Shep - but I'm not sure that Hackett would be so quick to fall in-line on that.  He seems more of the skeptic type, the kind who would want to see hard evidence before making a judgment either way.  Given that Ash says she needs to report 'to the Citadel' after Horizon, and given that Anderson says he approved her mission, it seems likely that she's working with Anderson in some way.  My best guess would be that the Alliance created something like the STG after becoming a council race, and Ash is one of the charter members - probably hand-picked by Anderson due to her low rank.  Just IMO, no need to go spreadin' it around.

[ashlover mark 2]

SilverRose208 wrote...

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

i like too think that shes doing something awsome in the background.i look at it like this just beacuz a few idoits or defeatists in the alliance want too belive there is no reaper threat dosnt mean they ALL think like that.im guessing admirals like hackett along with anderson are sending marnie teams too look for proof I.E. ashley.

I'll bite.
We know that Anderson still believes in the reaper threat - he says as much to Shep - but I'm not sure that Hackett would be so quick to fall in-line on that.  He seems more of the skeptic type, the kind who would want to see hard evidence before making a judgment either way.  Given that Ash says she needs to report 'to the Citadel' after Horizon, and given that Anderson says he approved her mission, it seems likely that she's working with Anderson in some way.  My best guess would be that the Alliance created something like the STG after becoming a council race, and Ash is one of the charter members - probably hand-picked by Anderson due to her low rank.  Just IMO, no need to go spreadin' it around.

i think hacket would be one too belive in the reaper threat,he was there at the battle of the citadel.i like the sound of ashley heading up a stealth and reacon team.

[trobbins777]

SilverRose208 wrote...

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

i like too think that shes doing something awsome in the background.i look at it like this just beacuz a few idoits or defeatists in the alliance want too belive there is no reaper threat dosnt mean they ALL think like that.im guessing admirals like hackett along with anderson are sending marnie teams too look for proof I.E. ashley.

I'll bite.
We know that Anderson still believes in the reaper threat - he says as much to Shep - but I'm not sure that Hackett would be so quick to fall in-line on that.  He seems more of the skeptic type, the kind who would want to see hard evidence before making a judgment either way.  Given that Ash says she needs to report 'to the Citadel' after Horizon, and given that Anderson says he approved her mission, it seems likely that she's working with Anderson in some way.  My best guess would be that the Alliance created something like the STG after becoming a council race, and Ash is one of the charter members - probably hand-picked by Anderson due to her low rank.  Just IMO, no need to go spreadin' it around.

*cough*N7*cough*

[SilverRose208]

Good point - special forces would, I guess, equate to the STG in some respects - but we know that Ash is doing something probably outside of typical Alliance purview, and (not sure if we 100% know this in ME2) she isn't special forces.

[Ashii6]

Hm.... I found something like that.

[VutaatVerd]

Ashii6 wrote...

Hm.... I found something like that.

Not the Jenkins  hat, she might die withing the frist 5 mintues of ME3

[VutaatVerd]

LiamN7 wrote...

Don't know if Ash would be special forces, we do know that she was on a special assignment from Anderson. She was checking on the problems with the missing human colonies and checking in on the rumors of shep being alive and working for cerberus also I think. She reported back to the citadel and I looked all over for her. I could find collectors at the center of the galaxy but not Ash on the citadel. What?

Maybe Ash found the one safe (hidden) place on the Citadel and is just waiting/lurking for Shepard to come by to freak the **** out of him.

[ashlover mark 2]

LiamN7 wrote...

Don't know if Ash would be special forces, we do know that she was on a special assignment from Anderson. She was checking on the problems with the missing human colonies and checking in on the rumors of shep being alive and working for cerberus also I think. She reported back to the citadel and I looked all over for her. I could find collectors at the center of the galaxy but not Ash on the citadel. What?

her combat ablities are really good,better than the average marine.the only reason bioware didnt make her N7 or something speacile is beacuz they just love too neglect her charecter.

[SilverRose208]

Going back to what we were saying earlier, I really think that Anderson's had a very large part in Ash's recent successes. Back when she first told Shepard about her family, it was obvious that no one in uniform has ever treated her the same way again once they found out. Still a pretty fresh scar.

[ashlover mark 2]

SilverRose208 wrote...

Going back to what we were saying earlier, I really think that Anderson's had a very large part in Ash's recent successes. Back when she first told Shepard about her family, it was obvious that no one in uniform has ever treated her the same way again once they found out. Still a pretty fresh scar.

well,he did reasign her to the normandy which pretty much put her on the fast track.

[FROST4584]

Ah, Ashley is my one of two  favorite females/characters in Mass Effect 1. (Tali was my 2nd)

Modificata da FROST4584, 25 maggio 2010 - 09:47 .

[SilverRose208]

FROST4584 wrote...

Ah, Ashley is my one of two  favorite females/characters in Mass Effect 1. (Tali was my 2nd)

Thanks for the support, Frost! 

[bjdbwea]

My second favourite character. Ash deserved a proper role in ME 2, and the game would have been much better for it. Hopefully in ME 3 then.