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#10101
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Marines and Navy have the same rank structure, except for the few special ranks that Marines retained to show their special status as a sub-division of the navy, much the same way that fighter squads are a navy sub-division. That's the whole point of the codex entry.

Shepard is a commander because commander is a rank that is shaed between navy operators and ground troops (marines) in the Mass Effect universe. I'm guessing that, with the flag ranks, Generals focus on ground operations and Admirals focus on ship to ship combat.

However, because the marines are a special subset of the navy, it's easy to move between the two. Some marines likely opt to go into shipboard operations at some point, meaning that they become "Captains" and eventually admirals. Given how rough gound combat can be, this could actually be understandable.

Navy and marines likely also share at least some general training, so there's probably an ability to share tasks - though I suspect it's more likely to see marines sharing navy tasks than navy sharing marine tasks (I suspect the marines, as a special sub-division, get special training in ground warfare).

As for Shepard being XO at the start of ME1, I'm going to say he is given the XO position on the Normandy because:

A) He's special forces and on a special assignment
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B) As a subset of the navy, marines also have shipboard training. Probably they're not as experienced as someone who fills a navy role full time, but they still have the basic training and experience.

I'm going to again invoke EA, though, to say that the whole argument is moot. ME is EA's franchise, and they clearly refer to Shepard as an "Alliance marine."

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Here's the thing. Knowing your job is important, and there is a big difference between the training a Marine receives and a Navy officer receives - before they become SpecOps, that is. Marines do not have "shipboard training" except where the bathroom (head) is and how to operate a watertight door. Therefore for a role as critical as second in command of a prototype reconnaissance starship, you can bet that Shepard was Navy. To say otherwise would be to say that Captain Anderson was Navy, and third in command (Pressly) was Navy, but second in command (Shepard) was Marines. That's not how a "real" military organization would staff things, especially for an experimental vessel.

I will try to ask someone at Bioware for clarification. Let's agree to table this discussion for benefit of the Ashley Williams community in the meantime until I hear back. A few minutes ago I had been convinced that Shepard must have indeed been a Marine based off the EASTORE advertisement link for ME3, but then I realized that in reality the marketing people who create the description are not the same people (the developers) who know the characters. There certainly are inconsistencies, for every example provided in the games of Shepard being referred to as a Marine I can provide one or more that refers to him as Navy. So let me see what I can find out from the horse's mouth.

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I've asked this before but does anyone else think that maybe your love interest might "bunk" with you throughout
Mass Effect 3 or will they have their own location/area as always?:wizard:

Modifié par BornFree87, 08 mai 2011 - 11:43 .


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Well Ash is a Spectre now so there will be no problems anymore about fraternization. I would love to see it happen, but I'm sure they will have their own location.

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Ashley's special place on the Normandy was always right here.

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Double post.

This is getting really annoying now.

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Triple post.

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Rdubs wrote...

 A few minutes ago I had been convinced that Shepard must have indeed been a Marine based off the EASTORE advertisement link for ME3, but then I realized that in reality the marketing people who create the description are not the same people (the developers) who know the characters.


Yup,  "Alliance Marine" sounds much more appealing than "Alliance Naval Officer".


BornFree87 wrote...

I've asked this before but does anyone else think that maybe your love interest might "bunk" with you throughout
Mass Effect 3 or will they have their own location/area as always?[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]


My Shepard values his personal space. I'm sure Ash wouldn't be the type of person to wait around in his room for some cuddling anyways, she's got other duties. :happy:

Edit: @ V-Rex, something wrong with you're internet connection maybe? Sometimes happens to me.

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Antivenger wrote...

My Shepard values his personal space. I'm sure Ash wouldn't be the type of person to wait around in his room for some cuddling anyways, she's got other duties. :happy:


Let me get this straight mate,its probably the end of all life in the galaxy and you still want your personal space?:lol:

Modifié par BornFree87, 08 mai 2011 - 12:56 .


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BornFree87 wrote...

My Shepard values his personal space. I'm sure Ash wouldn't be the type of person to wait around in his room for some cuddling anyways, she's got other duties. :happy:


Let me get this straight mate,its probably the end of all life in the galaxy and you still want your personal space?:lol:

Just my personal preference. Never romanced anyone in ME2 but I found it to be a little clingy that the LIs would wait for Shepard in the Captain's Quarters. Don't they have other duties to complete?

Actually, just did a quick image search, I could only find pictures of cuddling with Tali, Garrus and Miranda. Are they the only ones who stay in the CQ?

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V-rex wrote...

Triple post.


Am I the only person that this hasn't happened to? Seriously, everybody it seems has trouble with double posts (of the unintentional variety) and I honestly can't remember this ever happening to me.

V-Rex, ur doin somethin wrong.

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Antivenger wrote...

BornFree87 wrote...

My Shepard values his personal space. I'm sure Ash wouldn't be the type of person to wait around in his room for some cuddling anyways, she's got other duties. :happy:


Let me get this straight mate,its probably the end of all life in the galaxy and you still want your personal space?:lol:

Just my personal preference. Never romanced anyone in ME2 but I found it to be a little clingy that the LIs would wait for Shepard in the Captain's Quarters. Don't they have other duties to complete?

Actually, just did a quick image search, I could only find pictures of cuddling with Tali, Garrus and Miranda. Are they the only ones who stay in the CQ?


They don't stay in the CQ,they can be called up for "Snuggle Time" through the intercom.

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Just a little notice: The whole Navy/Marine divide/nondivide discussion is fascinating, and I'd love to listen to the discussion go on, but it's pretty off-topic now for the Ash thread.

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BornFree87 wrote...

They don't stay in the CQ,they can be called up for "Snuggle Time" through the intercom.


Derp, my bad.

@ Zeuss: OK!

Ash, Joker and Mordin are my favourite characters of ME (In alphabetical order). Apparently though, there will be "no new LIs" for ME3, which means no Joker for my Fem!Shep and Mordin already blew her off in ME2.

Now new LIs might mean the VS becomes available for both genders though. Thoughts?

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Antivenger wrote...

BornFree87 wrote...

They don't stay in the CQ,they can be called up for "Snuggle Time" through the intercom.


Derp, my bad.

@ Zeuss: OK!

Ash, Joker and Mordin are my favourite characters of ME (In alphabetical order). Apparently though, there will be "no new LIs" for ME3, which means no Joker for my Fem!Shep and Mordin already blew her off in ME2.

Now new LIs might mean the VS becomes available for both genders though. Thoughts?



I doubt that would happen and there are more suitable characters for bisexual LIs than the VS.

I'm still hoping Wrex can be part of the squad,i would love an Ashley,Wrex & Shepard promotional picture for
Mass Effect 3 like the one with Kaidan & Liara.:wizard:

Modifié par BornFree87, 08 mai 2011 - 03:32 .


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Antivenger wrote...

Now new LIs might mean the VS becomes available for both genders though. Thoughts?


Personally, I hope Bioware doesn't go down that road. I've made my reasons clear many times previously so I won't rehash them here. Besides, that would seem to fit the description of new love interests anyway.

Slightly off-topic: ME2 had enough love interests for two games' worth (six complete romances), not counting Liara in Lair, Kelly Chambers, and the Samara "romance" (which ups that number to a whopping *nine*).; plus the ill-fated Morinth "romance", making a total of *ten*!

Back on-topic: Making the VS ""available"" for both genders *would* add a new love interest (one for male Shep and one for female Shep, correspondingly), and we've been told there aren't any new love interests. Am I splitting hairs? Maybe a little bit.:whistle:

Modifié par Lord Zeuss, 08 mai 2011 - 04:06 .


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Lord Zeuss wrote...

Antivenger wrote...

Now new LIs might mean the VS becomes available for both genders though. Thoughts?


Personally, I hope Bioware doesn't go down that road. I've made my reasons clear many times previously so I won't rehash them here. Besides, that would seem to fit the description of new love interests anyway.

Slightly off-topic: ME2 had enough love interests for two games' worth (six complete romances), not counting Liara in Lair, Kelly Chambers, and the Samara "romance" (which ups that number to a whopping *nine*).; plus the ill-fated Morinth "romance", making a total of *ten*!

Back on-topic: Making the VS ""available"" for both genders *would* add a new love interest (one for male Shep and one for female Shep, correspondingly), and we've been told there aren't any new love interests. Am I splitting hairs? Maybe a little bit.:whistle:



Balsam exits doghouse:

'I agree with you'.

Balsam re-enters doghouse.

"sigh"

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Lord Zeuss wrote...

Slightly off-topic: ME2 had enough love interests for two games' worth (six complete romances), not counting Liara in Lair, Kelly Chambers, and the Samara "romance" (which ups that number to a whopping *nine*).; plus the ill-fated Morinth "romance", making a total of *ten*!

Back on-topic: Making the VS ""available"" for both genders *would* add a new love interest (one for male Shep and one for female Shep, correspondingly), and we've been told there aren't any new love interests. Am I splitting hairs? Maybe a little bit.:whistle:


I suppose you're right. Maybe I'll just ship them in head canon.

I still remain hopeful though, for Joker too. as Garoth said;

"Sometimes false hope is better than no hope at all."

Might be surprised!

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Lord Zeuss wrote...

Just a little notice: The whole Navy/Marine divide/nondivide discussion is fascinating, and I'd love to listen to the discussion go on, but it's pretty off-topic now for the Ash thread.

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:wub: Totally saving this!

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Mother's day on the Normandy with My Shepard and Ashley (and their son Kaidan Alenko Williams-Shepard)

cuteness will ensue.

Mother's day

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Ash can feel free to spend as much time in my quarters as she wants! Posted Image

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haynoats wrote...

Ash can feel free to spend as much time in my quarters as she wants! Posted Image


You took the words right out of my mouth.^_^

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Shadow_82 wrote...

haynoats wrote...

Ash can feel free to spend as much time in my quarters as she wants! Posted Image


You took the words right out of my mouth.^_^


The more, the merrier. :lol:

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I don't want Ash in my quarters. I never go there. I need her to be somewhere I can find her!

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Lord Zeuss wrote...

Antivenger wrote...

Now new LIs might mean the VS becomes available for both genders though. Thoughts?


Personally, I hope Bioware doesn't go down that road. I've made my reasons clear many times previously so I won't rehash them here. Besides, that would seem to fit the description of new love interests anyway.

Slightly off-topic: ME2 had enough love interests for two games' worth (six complete romances), not counting Liara in Lair, Kelly Chambers, and the Samara "romance" (which ups that number to a whopping *nine*).; plus the ill-fated Morinth "romance", making a total of *ten*!

Back on-topic: Making the VS ""available"" for both genders *would* add a new love interest (one for male Shep and one for female Shep, correspondingly), and we've been told there aren't any new love interests. Am I splitting hairs? Maybe a little bit.:whistle:

I disagree, just based on the unused content on ME1 and the fact that sBoth Shepard's can get the email for the Romance is pursued in ME1 so since they're already an LI they're not new, it's just a new path.Posted Image