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[Badpie]

I for one don't buy into the whole "Ash doesn't care about looking pretty" thing. Not for a second do I believe that. You've always seen her at work, in the military. I don't suppose many female marines doll themselves up to go to work. But outside of work I don't doubt for a second that she smears on some nude colored lip gloss, runs a brush through her hair and wears the occasional push up bra, and yes even on the rarest of occasion - heels. She's a woman.

Maybe the new look is just her being more relaxed. If she's a Spectre she's not subject to the same kinds of militaristic parameters that = bun, uniform and no makeup. She probably has a little more freedom to look the way she wants to.

[V-rex]

Actually now that I think about it, that is true.
She did mention that she wouldn't mind taking her sisters to Flux to have a girls night out, which in turn would imply dressing up nice.
I suppose just because she doesn't dress up fancy on the Normandy doesn't mean she wouldn't like to dress up in her spare time. I remember that one fic you did, Badpie, where Ash was in a cocktail dress. Seemed plausable to me at least.
Plus, she'd look great in one. At least if fan art is any indication:





So I suppose it wouldn't be out of character to see her want to make herself up to look nice, just maybe a little strange on a warship.
That said I don't even think her new outfit is all that sexed up, once you've seen Ivy from Soul Calibur 4's outfit everything else starts to look modest by comparison.

[jlb524]

Badpie wrote...
Maybe the new look is just her being more relaxed. If she's a Spectre she's not subject to the same kinds of militaristic parameters that = bun, uniform and no makeup. She probably has a little more freedom to look the way she wants to.

I agree.

Though, I don't want her in heels for some reason.  Just seems a bit impractical when sexy boots exist.

[Badpie]

jlb524 wrote...

Badpie wrote...
Maybe the new look is just her being more relaxed. If she's a Spectre she's not subject to the same kinds of militaristic parameters that = bun, uniform and no makeup. She probably has a little more freedom to look the way she wants to.

I agree.

Though, I don't want her in heels for some reason.  Just seems a bit impractical when sexy boots exist.

Oh yeah.  Heeled boots would be no good.  Girl's gotta keep the kind of boots she can kick a face in with.  


V-rex. as for the cocktail dresses - as hot as she would look in them and I'm sure she has worn them on special occasions - I see more of a happy medium for her nights out.  Something like the future equivalent of skinny jeans and a slightly dressy tank top.  

Modifié par Badpie, 15 mai 2011 - 04:47 .

[jlb524]

Hell yeah!

I have no problems with the suit, as I assume that technology is advanced to the point where it can have awesome kinetic barriers and protect her still. But her boots got to be legit!

I'm also biased as I suck walking in heels and can't imagine anyone running around a battlefield in them.

[Badpie]

I just find the idea of anyone going into combat in heels absurd. And yes, I'm looking at you, Miranda.  Her boots were fine and dandy for most of her work, but on a combat op couldn't she have slipped on some commando boots or something?  Geez!

Modifié par Badpie, 15 mai 2011 - 04:49 .

[ADLegend21]

Badpie wrote...

I just find the idea of anyone going into combat in heels absurd. And yes, I'm looking at you, Miranda.  Her boots were fine and dandy for most of her work, but on a combat op couldn't she have slipped on some commando boots or something?  Geez!

all rectified with her armor. actually, when I think about it, I've raced a girl when she was wearing heels, beat her by half a foot, so combat in heels could happen if she wsa trained like that. Shep also fights in Heels during Kasumi's mission if you take the hard route to Hocks bedroom.

Modifié par ADLegend21, 15 mai 2011 - 04:53 .

[Badpie]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Badpie wrote...

I just find the idea of anyone going into combat in heels absurd. And yes, I'm looking at you, Miranda.  Her boots were fine and dandy for most of her work, but on a combat op couldn't she have slipped on some commando boots or something?  Geez!

all rectified with her armor.

Oh was it?  Cool!  That's encouraging.    I didn't get the new appearance pack because I was already done done and done with my playthroughs.

[jlb524]

Badpie wrote...

I just find the idea of anyone going into combat in heels absurd. And yes, I'm looking at you, Miranda.  Her boots were fine and dandy for most of her work, but on a combat op couldn't she have slipped on some commando boots or something?  Geez!

I'm concerned about uneven or rocky surfaces...flat boots are best

[Badpie]

jlb524 wrote...

Badpie wrote...

I just find the idea of anyone going into combat in heels absurd. And yes, I'm looking at you, Miranda.  Her boots were fine and dandy for most of her work, but on a combat op couldn't she have slipped on some commando boots or something?  Geez!

I'm concerned about uneven or rocky surfaces...flat boots are best

(EPIC battle, Shepard and crew are running heroically toward the ship)

*wobble* OOF!

Shepard:  Ash!  Are you hit?

Ash: NO I JUST TWISTED MY DAMN ANKLE OH MY GOD IT HURTS SO BAAAAADDD!!!!  

[Antivenger]

Damn, that is so cliché. A lazy writer's excuse to have the hero carry the damsel in distress off to safety or have her horribly killed off. Personally, I hope for the latter if it actually gets to the point where Ash becomes incompetent.

[Paula Deen]

Cossack72 wrote...

nickkcin11 wrote...

Paula Deen wrote...

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

BornFree87 wrote...
Her views on aliens are naive and not an "acquired taste".

She's the only character, whose views are not naive. Just say'n.

Cynicism is niavete, just another form of it. If she were right in her views, then Garrus and Tali would have sent a bunch of data on the Normandy's systems/the Mako to their respective species' governments--canon shows this clearly to not be the case. Garrus is not an engineer, and the Flotilla would never be a threat to the Alliance--not that they could or would build an expensive stealth ship anyways.

Liara is undyingly loyal to your cause (she goes through hell to recover Shepard's corpse for a mere chance of his/her revival). Wrex, despite one very understandable outburst, always has your back.

Her views WERE naive. She expected all aliens to be entirely loyal to their species (to the point of doing betraying a cause they volunteered for and military competitiveness)...which turned out to be completely false. Racism is naivety, as you're making (likely very innacurate) assumptions about every individual of a race you meet. Period.

I would say that Ash is the second most loyal squad member. When everyone else just expects you to deal with Wrex yourself, she makes sure Shep wouldn't get hurt. And she was distrusting of the aliens, like everyone in the Alliance was (that one guy who evaluates the Normandy, Pressley, amongst others). She never allowed it to affect the mission. It's not like she said, "Oh you better make sure Tali doesn't steal anything, you know how Quarians are..." Plus her family was DISGRACED because of aliens. She holds a grudge which is more than understandable. The indirect action of aliens has affected her entire life for the worse. Of course Wrex's outburst is understandable but Ash isn't... that is flawed logic.No one notices how Ash doesn't agree with Cerberus' and Terra Firma's ideas (because they aren't just trying to protect humanity, they are racist). Ash is the opposite of that. She just sees humanity first. I see the US first and would put it's safety before the rest of the world. Does that mean I hate Europe and Asia, no. Not in the slightest. I just have a sense of preservation for my homeland. Same concept.

We all know you hate Ashley already and there is no persuading "your kind" (Ash haters, a group I am racist against), especially when the argument is from hillbillies like us. You know Ash fans are all guntoating, racist, Southernerns, who aren't very smart right? I like how when people hate Ash for being "racist" they are racist themselves (like that one guy from Hong Kong).


/rant over. I know there is no persuading conspiracy theorists that we landed on the moon no mattter how much evidence. You are the same way.

Dunno how that's possible with proof like this:

Lolwut? I actually really like Ashley's character. Her initial racism is something that she somewhat outgrows (if the player helps; we see some evidence in lines regarding Tali and Liara, for instance). We'll see how it all turns out in ME3. Honestly, I think it adds to her character (and hopefully character development). I totally understand her attitude towards aliens, given her history, and I don't blame her for it. Heck, she even acts very professionally with the non-human members of the squad and the STG.

With the whole Wrex confrontation, I'm really surprised no one noticed Wrex pulling a gun on Shepard, especially considering that a big Krogan blasting the water with a shotgun seconds before tends to attract a lot of attention...and Kaidan knew what was going on. Still, that's well-placed caution, and she deserves points in my book for being on the ball with that one.

[Prince of Kemet]

Shadow_82 wrote...

Balsam Beige wrote...

Ash has all the right moves!

Quick somebody play Juvenile's song     By the way, GREAT  avatar Shadow

[nickkcin11]

Paula Deen wrote...

Cossack72 wrote...

nickkcin11 wrote...

Paula Deen wrote...

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

BornFree87 wrote...
Her views on aliens are naive and not an "acquired taste".

She's the only character, whose views are not naive. Just say'n.

Cynicism is niavete, just another form of it. If she were right in her views, then Garrus and Tali would have sent a bunch of data on the Normandy's systems/the Mako to their respective species' governments--canon shows this clearly to not be the case. Garrus is not an engineer, and the Flotilla would never be a threat to the Alliance--not that they could or would build an expensive stealth ship anyways.

Liara is undyingly loyal to your cause (she goes through hell to recover Shepard's corpse for a mere chance of his/her revival). Wrex, despite one very understandable outburst, always has your back.

Her views WERE naive. She expected all aliens to be entirely loyal to their species (to the point of doing betraying a cause they volunteered for and military competitiveness)...which turned out to be completely false. Racism is naivety, as you're making (likely very innacurate) assumptions about every individual of a race you meet. Period.

I would say that Ash is the second most loyal squad member. When everyone else just expects you to deal with Wrex yourself, she makes sure Shep wouldn't get hurt. And she was distrusting of the aliens, like everyone in the Alliance was (that one guy who evaluates the Normandy, Pressley, amongst others). She never allowed it to affect the mission. It's not like she said, "Oh you better make sure Tali doesn't steal anything, you know how Quarians are..." Plus her family was DISGRACED because of aliens. She holds a grudge which is more than understandable. The indirect action of aliens has affected her entire life for the worse. Of course Wrex's outburst is understandable but Ash isn't... that is flawed logic.No one notices how Ash doesn't agree with Cerberus' and Terra Firma's ideas (because they aren't just trying to protect humanity, they are racist). Ash is the opposite of that. She just sees humanity first. I see the US first and would put it's safety before the rest of the world. Does that mean I hate Europe and Asia, no. Not in the slightest. I just have a sense of preservation for my homeland. Same concept.

We all know you hate Ashley already and there is no persuading "your kind" (Ash haters, a group I am racist against), especially when the argument is from hillbillies like us. You know Ash fans are all guntoating, racist, Southernerns, who aren't very smart right? I like how when people hate Ash for being "racist" they are racist themselves (like that one guy from Hong Kong).


/rant over. I know there is no persuading conspiracy theorists that we landed on the moon no mattter how much evidence. You are the same way.

Dunno how that's possible with proof like this:

Lolwut? I actually really like Ashley's character. Her initial racism is something that she somewhat outgrows (if the player helps; we see some evidence in lines regarding Tali and Liara, for instance). We'll see how it all turns out in ME3. Honestly, I think it adds to her character (and hopefully character development). I totally understand her attitude towards aliens, given her history, and I don't blame her for it. Heck, she even acts very professionally with the non-human members of the squad and the STG.

With the whole Wrex confrontation, I'm really surprised no one noticed Wrex pulling a gun on Shepard, especially considering that a big Krogan blasting the water with a shotgun seconds before tends to attract a lot of attention...and Kaidan knew what was going on. Still, that's well-placed caution, and she deserves points in my book for being on the ball with that one.

Sorry for the longass quote everybody, and I apologize to you Paula for being so hostile. I thought you were just trolling our thread. Your explanation just saved you from my wrath www.youtube.com/watch. Skip to 18 seconds to see what you just saved yourself from


And if Ash breaks her ankle, I want Shep to carry her away and have an explosion randomly go off in the background (in slow-mo). Then Shep turns, ****s his head, and says, "Looks like they didn't hold the line" and then drops Ash somewhere safe. Ash says, "Shep... you saved me!" Then Shep says, "No baby *dramatic pause* you saved me."

That would be extremely cliche. Not great at setting up a cliched movie but if you want a cheesy info commercial, I'm your man.

Modifié par nickkcin11, 15 mai 2011 - 06:56 .

[dark_spectre87]

Hey everyone!! here to support our favorite woman in arms. @ Shadow_82 i agree wholeheartedly

[Antivenger]

Huh. Seems that some fans like Ash, but still think she's racist.

Is anyone else with me on the opinion that her flaw isn't apparent racism, but rather her devotion to the Systems Alliance?

- She joined despite being black listed.
- She distrust Garrus and Wrex because they aren't Alliance.
- She doesn't have a problem with Tali, and Udina specifically sent her with you.
- She was willing to sacrifice herself, to be a martyr. Partially for the sake of the mission. Obviously also to redeem her family name.
- She rejects Shepard because (s)he was with Cerberus. Which has a reputation of being xenophobic extremists. However, also part of her reason is because she is Alliance. It's in her blood.

Some of these might seem justified, and even admirable. But to me it also makes her look somewhat obsessed (maybe not the right word, can't think of it right now) with the Sistems Alliance.

Thoughts?

[Jhon Flash]

@Anti: I don't think she was looking to be a martyr. She was simply willing to give her life for what she believed in.
She was there fighting beside Shep every time they faced off with Cerberus. Despite the fact they claim to do everything in the best interest of humanity they mutilate and murder because they can. The Alliance has labelled Cerberus a terrorist organization.
I'm sure she distrusts Tali as much as any alien, she out and out says she distrusts Udina.

I have always felt her anger towards aliens is misplaced she should be mad at the Aliance for black listing her family after her grandfather was forced to surrender to save the lives of his men and, I would guess, some civilians.

[Shadow_82]

Prince of Kemet wrote...
By the way, GREAT  avatar Shadow

Thanks Prince^_^

[Vertigo_1]

Prince of Kemet wrote...

By the way, GREAT  avatar Shadow

I agree!

[Airell]

Ashley will be romanceable for both male and female shephard Via Casey Hudson Twiiter .
Well she was going to be romanceable for both in ME, but they took it out at the last minute.

[Errol Dnamyx]

Airell wrote...

Ashley will be romanceable for both male and female shephard Via Casey Hudson Twiiter .
Well she was going to be romanceable for both in ME, but they took it out at the last minute.

That's not what he said.

[Airell]

my bad it thought thats what he mint ):

[Cossack72]

How Bioware can make everyone happy with her appearance:

Give the option to alternate her new catsuit with her old armor before battles like you can do in ME2.

Problem (mostly) solved.

[Shadow_82]

Cossack72 wrote...

How Bioware can make everyone happy with her appearance:

Give the option to alternate her new catsuit with her old armor before battles like you can do in ME2.

Problem (mostly) solved.

I like this idea...Cossack I think you may have something here.

[jason9880]

Nice avatar shadow.