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[Shadow_82]

@jason9880: Thank you.

Modifié par Shadow_82, 15 mai 2011 - 08:27 .

[grifter024]

Airell wrote...

Ashley will be romanceable for both male and female shephard Via Casey Hudson Twiiter .
Well she was going to be romanceable for both in ME, but they took it out at the last minute.

So Bio finally broke down and made Shep gay even after years of canon heterosexuality.

Sooo now anyone in ME3 can romance Ashley while the people that were loyal have to go through Horizion.

yeah in my own opinion this game is becoming a farce and a perversion of what it should have been.....the idea that I was going to preorder the N7 limited edition at MORE than 65$ is beginning to make me sick as they continue this campaign of destruction on the franchise.

....I do love that pic though "They are back to kick reaper ass...looked cool." 

[Errol Dnamyx]

Eh, C-Hud confirmed same sex LI's, not that everyone is going to be bi. It could just be Joker and Gabby, for example.

[Cossack72]

Shadow_82 wrote...

Cossack72 wrote...

How Bioware can make everyone happy with her appearance:

Give the option to alternate her new catsuit with her old armor before battles like you can do in ME2.

Problem (mostly) solved.

I like this idea...Cossack I think you may have something here.

Thanks

[StaffSgt. Dignam]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Eh, C-Hud confirmed same sex LI's, not that everyone is going to be bi. It could just be Joker and Gabby, for example.

Somehow I highly doubt that.
And hi again all!  It's been a while and I've been drowning in stuff lately

[Badpie]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Eh, C-Hud confirmed same sex LI's, not that everyone is going to be bi. It could just be Joker and Gabby, for example.

@CaseyDHudson: Happy to confirm #ME3 supports wider options for love interests incl. same-sex for m&f chars, reactive to how you interact w/them in-game.

That's all he said.  He didn't mention any names, but I'm very happy about this. :happy:

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I'd be annoyed if the made Ashley romancable by both genders. It was pretty clearly established prior to this that she was not into both genders. I actually was disappointed that I couldn't romance her with both genders it in the first game, but the fact is that well... I couldn't. That's just how she was.  Changing that now would be ridiculous, IMO.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 15 mai 2011 - 10:02 .

[ADLegend21]

I can smell the femshepley. No longer will itbe in unused content (hopefully)

[Badpie]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I'd be annoyed if the made Ashley romancable by both genders. It was pretty clearly established prior to this that she was not into both genders. I actually was disappointed that I couldn't romance her with both genders it in the first game, but the fact is that well... I couldn't. That's just how she was.  Changing that now would be ridiculous, IMO.

I don't see that it was that clearly established that she didn't like both genders.  There was never any conversation about it.  You simply didn't know, say, if you were playing a femshep.  There's mention of Kaidan being "cute" but that's her sister saying it, not her and it doesn't preclude her from being bi, just that it never happened with Shepard for whatever reason.  To say that it's been established is a very meta thing.  If you're playing a male Shepard, obviously Ashley is into dudes.  But if you're playing a female Shepard there is really no indication either way other than the fact that there was no romance going on at the time.

[ADLegend21]

Badpie wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I'd be annoyed if the made Ashley romancable by both genders. It was pretty clearly established prior to this that she was not into both genders. I actually was disappointed that I couldn't romance her with both genders it in the first game, but the fact is that well... I couldn't. That's just how she was.  Changing that now would be ridiculous, IMO.

I don't see that it was that clearly established that she didn't like both genders.  There was never any conversation about it.  You simply didn't know, say, if you were playing a femshep.  There's mention of Kaidan being "cute" but that's her sister saying it, not her and it doesn't preclude her from being bi, just that it never happened with Shepard for whatever reason.  To say that it's been established is a very meta thing.  If you're playing a male Shepard, obviously Ashley is into dudes.  But if you're playing a female Shepard there is really no indication either way other than the fact that there was no romance going on at the time.

This. I think she and femshep should have a a cute "coming out" scene where one of them mentions feelings but being too afraid to ask. It happens in reality with straight, gay and bisexual people.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Personally, I've never really bought the idea that a character's sexuality needs to be explicitly spelled out for us in order to reasonably deduce what it is. Sure Ashley never told my female Shepard outright that she wasn't into women but I that's not a conversation I would imagine many straight people find themselves needing to discuss all that often so I don't see the fact that she didn't tell me to my face as an indicator of much of anything.

The fact is she reacted one way to a male Shepard and another way entirely to a female Shepard, only one involved romance. That's a clear enough sign to me that she's pretty much straight.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 15 mai 2011 - 10:48 .

[Badpie]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Personally, I've never really bought the idea that a character's sexuality needs to be explicitly spelled out for us in order to reasonably deduce what it is. Sure Ashley never told my female Shepard outright that she wasn't into women but I that's not a conversation I would imagine many straight people find themselves needing to discuss all that often so I don't see the fact that she didn't tell me to my face as an indicator of much of anything.

The fact is she reacted one way to a male Shepard and another way entirely to a female Shepard, only one involved romance. That's a clear enough sign to me that she's pretty much straight.

But that's exactly what I'm saying.  It isn't spelled out, which I like.  But you can't compare it to the way she reacts to male Shepard because that is a completely different playthrough that as far as your femshep playthrough is concerned does not exist.  Therefore she never reacted to any male Shepard like that because there is only a female Shepard.  You have to look at things within the context of that playthrough independent of any other information that you, the player know.

It's like when you're playing Dragon Age 2.  You know that Anders, for example is romanceable by both male and female characters, but that doesn't necessarily make his character bisexual.  To your female Hawke, Anders is 100% heterosexual and interested in her.  And to your male Hawke, Anders is 100% homosexual and interested in him.  Likewise to a male Shepard, Ash is 100% straight, while to a female Shepard it was never really said either way, so there's still room for that to be explored I think.

Modifié par Badpie, 15 mai 2011 - 11:04 .

[MICHELLE7]

Badpie wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Personally, I've never really bought the idea that a character's sexuality needs to be explicitly spelled out for us in order to reasonably deduce what it is. Sure Ashley never told my female Shepard outright that she wasn't into women but I that's not a conversation I would imagine many straight people find themselves needing to discuss all that often so I don't see the fact that she didn't tell me to my face as an indicator of much of anything.

The fact is she reacted one way to a male Shepard and another way entirely to a female Shepard, only one involved romance. That's a clear enough sign to me that she's pretty much straight.

But that's exactly what I'm saying.  It isn't spelled out, which I like.  But you can't compare it to the way she reacts to male Shepard because that is a completely different playthrough that as far as your femshep playthrough is concerned does not exist.  Therefore she never reacted to any male Shepard like that because there is only a female Shepard.  You have to look at things within the context of that playthrough independent of any other information that you, the player know.

It's like when you're playing Dragon Age 2.  You know that Anders, for example is romanceable by both male and female characters, but that doesn't necessarily make his character bisexual.  To your female Hawke, Anders is 100% heterosexual and interested in her.  And to your male Hawke, Anders is 100% homosexual and interested in him.

That's a point I made earlier...problem is I don't know if the DA way of doing things can be applied to ME...Shiala came on to my FemShep in ME2 and she had already chosen a male LI...I don't mind M/M and F/F in seperate male and female playthroughs...as long as they don't destroy the character (but I'm not so sure they can do this without destroying the character since some of the LI's have already had their characters established through two games now.) I mean BW made the decision to make Kaidan and Ash straight and Liara available for both male and femsheps in the first game...why change that now. And it seems that this topic is popping up on all the threads.

[drake heath]

Also, even if she wasn't bi in ME1, she could still come out as bi in ME3, it happens.

[StaffSgt. Dignam]

Huh?  Lost me there...
Oh I get it!  This is like the Terminator thing where it would have been totally different had John Connor been killed and someone else had led the resistance, only its like Shepard was the opposite gender and that changed how the future was to unfold.

Somebody please tell me that I'm on the right track here!

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Well I suppose I've just never really been a fan of the idea that NPCs don't really have a real established character of their own outside of their interactions with the PC.

With Anders in Dragon Age 2, the idea that he's not bisexual but really gay or straight depending on Hawke's gender makes explaining his apparent sexuality change from Awakening even harder to explain.

I personally found the explanation of "He was always attracted to men and women, he just only happened to mention one of them in all the time you spent with him" to be a weak explanation but it was still an explanation. I'd say it  makes more sense than "He liked women before but he's gay now."

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 15 mai 2011 - 11:35 .

[AuggyDoggysan]

Badpie wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Personally, I've never really bought the idea that a character's sexuality needs to be explicitly spelled out for us in order to reasonably deduce what it is. Sure Ashley never told my female Shepard outright that she wasn't into women but I that's not a conversation I would imagine many straight people find themselves needing to discuss all that often so I don't see the fact that she didn't tell me to my face as an indicator of much of anything.

The fact is she reacted one way to a male Shepard and another way entirely to a female Shepard, only one involved romance. That's a clear enough sign to me that she's pretty much straight.

But that's exactly what I'm saying.  It isn't spelled out, which I like.  But you can't compare it to the way she reacts to male Shepard because that is a completely different playthrough that as far as your femshep playthrough is concerned does not exist.  Therefore she never reacted to any male Shepard like that because there is only a female Shepard.  You have to look at things within the context of that playthrough independent of any other information that you, the player know.

It's like when you're playing Dragon Age 2.  You know that Anders, for example is romanceable by both male and female characters, but that doesn't necessarily make his character bisexual.  To your female Hawke, Anders is 100% heterosexual and interested in her.  And to your male Hawke, Anders is 100% homosexual and interested in him.  Likewise to a male Shepard, Ash is 100% straight, while to a female Shepard it was never really said either way, so there's still room for that to be explored I think.

Do you think writing new m/m or f/f romances will take away from the effort bioware should be making to expand and bring to a well written conclusion the m/f relationship we have had since me1?

[Badpie]

AuggyDoggysan wrote...

Do you think writing new m/m or f/f romances will take away from the effort bioware should be making to expand and bring to a well written conclusion the m/f relationship we have had since me1?

No.

[AuggyDoggysan]

[IndigoWolfe]

@Badpie

Role playing the player character is all well and good, but I don't think players should have to role play NPCs as well, which is what your "alternate universe" theory necessitates.

[ADLegend21]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

@Badpie

Role playing the player character is all well and good, but I don't think players should have to role play NPCs as well, which is what your "alternate universe" theory necessitates.

When they had the same sex romances in ME1 Femshep had the same dialogue as Male shep and the conversation was the same, just with a different voice coming from a different model of Shepard. Teh Character was the same, she was havng the same conversation with Male shep and Female Shep but she was the same.

[Badpie]

I agree I think the character is the same. The content of the character doesn't change depending on which person she wants to sleep with.

Modifié par Badpie, 16 mai 2011 - 01:25 .

[IndigoWolfe]

So a character's sexuality is simply a limitation of implemented script, rather than an aspect of their personality?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

If you changed nothing about Ashley except made her into both genders, her character would essentially be the same. But she'd still be different than before.

There was nothing about Ashley ME 1 that would have prevented her from being written as attracted to both genders without changing her. In other words, they could have written her as a love interest for both genders and she could have been exactly the same as she is now, but she wasn't.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 16 mai 2011 - 02:10 .

[ADLegend21]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

So a character's sexuality is simply a limitation of implemented script, rather than an aspect of their personality?

Sexuality doesn't always affect personality. Ashley can still be a tough as nails woman with a senstiive side if she's dating Femshep. Hell if I can write it and it be called awesome, I'm sure a professional team of writers can do the same.