Lord Zeuss wrote...
Wait, has some perverse new abomination risen from Mass Effect Evolution that I don't know about?
Modifié par makenzieshepard, 03 juin 2011 - 08:51 .
yeah. Though she'll kick that stigma's ass when we defeat the reapers. "Ashely Williams, reaper killer". That has a nice ring to it don't you think?makenzieshepard wrote...
Yeah Grandpa Williams was basically a grade A jerk and everything people have falsely accused Ash of being. Too bad I found the idea of him being a disgraced general who did the right but unpopular thing to be interesting. Not to mention I was looking forward to helping Ashley restore his and the families good name. Guess Ash will just have to be the sole one to carry it on her capable shoulders.
ADLegend21 wrote...
yeah. Though she'll kick that stigma's ass when we defeat the reapers. "Ashely Williams, reaper killer". That has a nice ring to it don't you think?
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eh, Shepard cna't kill them all. I think everyone on the ME1 team should at least lead the charge to kill a reaper individually.IndigoWolfe wrote...
ADLegend21 wrote...
yeah. Though she'll kick that stigma's ass when we defeat the reapers. "Ashely Williams, reaper killer". That has a nice ring to it don't you think?
The only hitch being that dollars to doughtnuts that will be Shepard's job and title.
ADLegend21 wrote...
eh, Shepard cna't kill them all. I think everyone on the ME1 team should at least lead the charge to kill a reaper individually.IndigoWolfe wrote...
ADLegend21 wrote...
yeah. Though she'll kick that stigma's ass when we defeat the reapers. "Ashely Williams, reaper killer". That has a nice ring to it don't you think?
The only hitch being that dollars to doughtnuts that will be Shepard's job and title.
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Lord Zeuss wrote...
Wait, has some perverse new abomination risen from Mass Effect Evolution that I don't know about?
That is an excellent way to describe the ME comics in general. But the answer to your question is basically yes. Williams didn't want to leave the planet and was forced to. He also willingly resigned because we made dared to make peace instead of fighting a war we would've ultimately lost.
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because i haven't posted one in forever
Modifié par jahaa, 04 juin 2011 - 01:42 .
elektrego wrote...
Ashley's biggest asset is her heart, everthing she does, she does with passion. She says what is on her mind without fear of making a fool of herself in the process. To me that is worth more than being an officer or a biotic.
I love Kaidan, too, (if there would be the chance to choose the one who can't be saved from all ME1 squadmates, Garrus would draw the short straw in my game,)
but though he is a very capable officer, I always have the impression, that he is holding back a little.
In my very first playthrough they quickly became my favourite squad and so Virmire was really a WTF? moment for me.
I saved Ashley eight times and Kaidan five times, so far and I am really looking forward to have them at my side again.
Still the best. Any questions?The Tookah wrote...
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Now that looks like a marine who know her business.
Lord Zeuss wrote...
elektrego wrote...
Ashley's biggest asset is her heart, everthing she does, she does with passion. She says what is on her mind without fear of making a fool of herself in the process. To me that is worth more than being an officer or a biotic.
I love Kaidan, too, (if there would be the chance to choose the one who can't be saved from all ME1 squadmates, Garrus would draw the short straw in my game,)
but though he is a very capable officer, I always have the impression, that he is holding back a little.
In my very first playthrough they quickly became my favourite squad and so Virmire was really a WTF? moment for me.
I saved Ashley eight times and Kaidan five times, so far and I am really looking forward to have them at my side again.
Perhaps the biggest reason I choose to save Ashley (aside from romance, obviously) is because, as a man, I feel that Kaidan "can take it".
Now let me explain this for a moment, before it sounds like I'm passing judgment on Ashley's fighting spirit , her ability, or her anything. I consider how forcefully Kaidan directs Shepard to go get Williams, and I can say with certainty that were I him, in that same position, I would say the exact same thing and I would mean the crap out of it. This is because of my deeply-held belief that men should be protective of women (this could be either sexist or chivalrous; you decide), which Kaidan expresses by ordering Shepard to save Ashley instead of him.
Ashley might get angry that I save her over a superior officer, but I'm going to obey Kaidan (unless it is a specific RP Shepard, which I have done) because it's my manly duty. Again, sexist or chivalrous; you decide. I'm dead serious here.
Modifié par Badpie, 04 juin 2011 - 04:29 .
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I do dislike that retcon of General Williams in Mass Effect Evolutions because, apart from adding more fuel to the troll fires of the web, it pretty much renders moot the entire point of Ashley's character in the first place.
She was someone who was held back due to unfair prejudice due to her grandfather's actions, which were, in turn something that was unfair in and of itself because Williams didn't have a choice when he surrendered at Shanxi. It was an injustice.
Now the comic is basically telling us that General Williams wasn't forced out of the Alliance, he just left the Alliance. Which in turn makes Ashley's determined loyalty to the Alliance and indeed the blacklisting of the Williams name not make much sense.
God I hate retcons, not only does it actually reward the people who genuienly believe Ashley is racist but now it also completely messes up the timeline and continuity and is like erasing every aspect of Ashley's character arc.
I can honestly say I worry about how they are going to present her in Mass Effect 3, especially now that her completely reasonable justfication to have bad history with aliens has now been destroyed and replaced with a new, much more radicalist, version of the same story. Especially given that if they do acknowledge the change it'll mean performing a massive contradiction of everything Ashley said in Mass Effect 1.
My only hope is that, either this retcon dies in a fire somewhere, or it's revealed that Ashley never knew the full story and the realization of how it actually went down manages to completely remove any remaining traces of distrust for aliens.
If nothing else, seeing her merrily skip hand in hand with a turian and a volus might finally be enough to the make the haters shut up. Otherwise I'll go to plan B, which was filling their mouths with superglue.
Honestly, I worry when I hear Bioware say 'we are listening to the fans' because I worry which fans they are listening to. I pray they don't take inspiration from youtube commentors. Come to think of it, shouldn't all things character based that Bioware do to 'please the fans' be based on the requests and ideas presented on support threads just like this?
So you know exactly which fans you will be able to please and in what way?
I mean what else would these support threads be for if not that?
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Lord Zeuss wrote...
Perhaps the biggest reason I choose to save Ashley (aside from romance, obviously) is because, as a man, I feel that Kaidan "can take it".
Now let me explain this for a moment, before it sounds like I'm passing judgment on Ashley's fighting spirit , her ability, or her anything. I consider how forcefully Kaidan directs Shepard to go get Williams, and I can say with certainty that were I him, in that same position, I would say the exact same thing and I would mean the crap out of it. This is because of my deeply-held belief that men should be protective of women (this could be either sexist or chivalrous; you decide), which Kaidan expresses by ordering Shepard to save Ashley instead of him.
Ashley might get angry that I save her over a superior officer, but I'm going to obey Kaidan (unless it is a specific RP Shepard, which I have done) because it's my manly duty. Again, sexist or chivalrous; you decide. I'm dead serious here.
Badpie wrote...
Man, would Ash deck you in the face for saying that. LOL
Also, I don't think the version of Gen. Williams in the comic is a retcon. It's just not the official story. I find this interesting for Ash as a character. It means her grandfather wasn't the man she thought he was - and I think that's kind of cool. I hope they do something with that.
In fact, I kind of predict a whole internal struggle with Ashley regarding the Alliance, who she is, and how her family fits into it. This would be a nice touch.
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