Lord Zeuss wrote...
Uh, you want activity on this thread, you can't reasonably expect us not to converse.
ashlover mark 2 wrote...
Lord Zeuss wrote...
Uh, you want activity on this thread, you can't reasonably expect us not to converse.
just letting everyone know that i understand why the whole scene went down the way it did.everyone keeps posting the same things over and over again.
which is them explaning the reasoning behind the scene.
i was just a tad bit annoyed with all the charcreter explaning.....im not haveing a great day in the real world......iLord Zeuss wrote...
ashlover mark 2 wrote...
Lord Zeuss wrote...
Uh, you want activity on this thread, you can't reasonably expect us not to converse.
just letting everyone know that i understand why the whole scene went down the way it did.everyone keeps posting the same things over and over again.
which is them explaning the reasoning behind the scene.
Alright, well, I was explaining the explaining. It equals thread activity. And since not everyone necessarily understands the reasoning behind the scene as you do, it is thus productive.
is this a new topic or a statement??? (confused)Lord Zeuss wrote...
"I don't think we should turn down allies, I just think we should be prepared to go it without them."
This turned out to be a pretty prophetic statement, as later in the game Shepard's own allies (Council and Alliance) suddenly abandoned him, and lo and behold, they had to go it without them (mutiny and steal the Normandy to get to Ilos).
Modifié par ashlover mark 2, 12 juin 2010 - 01:40 .
Lord Zeuss wrote...
"I don't think we should turn down allies, I just think we should be prepared to go it without them."
This turned out to be a pretty prophetic statement, as later in the game Shepard's own allies (Council and Alliance) suddenly abandoned him, and lo and behold, they had to go it without them (mutiny and steal the Normandy to get to Ilos).
ashlover mark 2 wrote...
is this a new topic or a statement??? (confused)Lord Zeuss wrote...
"I don't think we should turn down allies, I just think we should be prepared to go it without them."
This turned out to be a pretty prophetic statement, as later in the game Shepard's own allies (Council and Alliance) suddenly abandoned him, and lo and behold, they had to go it without them (mutiny and steal the Normandy to get to Ilos).
Modifié par Funkcase, 12 juin 2010 - 01:44 .
well i wouldnt say that the council abaondoned shep and the crew.....they just gave him an order not too purseue saren anymore and grounded him.....the council had no real proof that the reapers were real and they were really going too come back. too them the misson was over.(of course they were wrong however)Funkcase wrote...
ashlover mark 2 wrote...
is this a new topic or a statement??? (confused)Lord Zeuss wrote...
"I don't think we should turn down allies, I just think we should be prepared to go it without them."
This turned out to be a pretty prophetic statement, as later in the game Shepard's own allies (Council and Alliance) suddenly abandoned him, and lo and behold, they had to go it without them (mutiny and steal the Normandy to get to Ilos).
Both? A statement that warrent's discusion?
Modifié par ashlover mark 2, 12 juin 2010 - 01:50 .
Funkcase wrote...
Lord Zeuss wrote...
"I don't think we should turn down allies, I just think we should be prepared to go it without them."
This turned out to be a pretty prophetic statement, as later in the game Shepard's own allies (Council and Alliance) suddenly abandoned him, and lo and behold, they had to go it without them (mutiny and steal the Normandy to get to Ilos).
Wow i never noticed that, another thing to point out to haters. I wonder what else Ash said that has come true?
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ashlover mark 2 wrote...
well i wouldnt say that the council abaondoned shep and the crew.....they just gave him an order not too purseue saren anymore and grounded him.....the council had no real proof that the reapers were real and they were really going too come back. too them the misson was over.(of course they were wrong however)Funkcase wrote...
ashlover mark 2 wrote...
is this a new topic or a statement??? (confused)Lord Zeuss wrote...
"I don't think we should turn down allies, I just think we should be prepared to go it without them."
This turned out to be a pretty prophetic statement, as later in the game Shepard's own allies (Council and Alliance) suddenly abandoned him, and lo and behold, they had to go it without them (mutiny and steal the Normandy to get to Ilos).
Both? A statement that warrent's discusion?
ashlover mark 2 wrote...
well i wouldnt say that the council abaondoned shep and the crew.....they just gave him an order not too purseue saren anymore and grounded him.....the council had no real proof that the reapers were real and they were really going too come back. too them the misson was over.(of course they were wrong however)Funkcase wrote...
ashlover mark 2 wrote...
is this a new topic or a statement??? (confused)Lord Zeuss wrote...
"I don't think we should turn down allies, I just think we should be prepared to go it without them."
This turned out to be a pretty prophetic statement, as later in the game Shepard's own allies (Council and Alliance) suddenly abandoned him, and lo and behold, they had to go it without them (mutiny and steal the Normandy to get to Ilos).
Both? A statement that warrent's discusion?
Lord Zeuss wrote...
Funkcase wrote...
Lord Zeuss wrote...
"I don't think we should turn down allies, I just think we should be prepared to go it without them."
This turned out to be a pretty prophetic statement, as later in the game Shepard's own allies (Council and Alliance) suddenly abandoned him, and lo and behold, they had to go it without them (mutiny and steal the Normandy to get to Ilos).
Wow i never noticed that, another thing to point out to haters. I wonder what else Ash said that has come true?
And besides, it is a practical viewpoint, reflecting the fact that, councils and treaties aside, when the bombs start to drop, it really is every man for himself. Ash won't pin her hopes on waiting for a miracle, which is what expecting aid from the Council is.
The trouble is the average RPG player can afford his PC to be a utopiomarisuoptimist and expect all the NPC's, if they are any good, to just go along with it. Looking back on some of the Paragon responses in ME1 and even some in ME2, Shepard is on occasion ridiculously naive and almost damagingly optimistic.
"You're an optimist. It's times like these, I'm glad I'm not." Shepard is sooo lucky to have Ash around, if only to curtail his foolishness from time to time.
Modifié par Funkcase, 12 juin 2010 - 02:00 .
again, they dismissed it as not a credible threat beacuz shepard wasnt doing his job all that well and was blowing up bases with nukes instead looking at critacle consoles too find proof that the threat WAS real and that they should prepare....on top of that of course they werent going too send an entire fleet into the terminus too ****** off all the warlords and gangsters with private armys just too go get a rogue specter who was more of a pain in the ass than anything really dangerous (again in there eyes there is no reaper threat)Lord Zeuss wrote...
ashlover mark 2 wrote...
well i wouldnt say that the council abaondoned shep and the crew.....they just gave him an order not too purseue saren anymore and grounded him.....the council had no real proof that the reapers were real and they were really going too come back. too them the misson was over.(of course they were wrong however)Funkcase wrote...
ashlover mark 2 wrote...
is this a new topic or a statement??? (confused)Lord Zeuss wrote...
"I don't think we should turn down allies, I just think we should be prepared to go it without them."
This turned out to be a pretty prophetic statement, as later in the game Shepard's own allies (Council and Alliance) suddenly abandoned him, and lo and behold, they had to go it without them (mutiny and steal the Normandy to get to Ilos).
Both? A statement that warrent's discusion?
By giving those orders, the Council effectively withdrew their support of Shepard and crew (Udina even took active steps against Shepard by grounding Normandy). On any kind of battlefield this is tantamount to abandonment.
"If their backs are against a wall, they'll abandon us."
Their backs *were* up against a wall; they had to either accept the danger of the threat presented to them and take the prudent actions called for, or decide that they simply knew best and do nothing. There was no longer any wiggle room for the Council, and they choked on recognizing the danger, convinced themselves the threat was not credible, and abandoned Shepard.
Modifié par ashlover mark 2, 12 juin 2010 - 02:07 .
ashlover mark 2 wrote...
again, they dismissed it as not a credible threat beacuz shepard wasnt doing his job all that well and was blowing up bases with nukes instead looking at critacle consoles too find proof that the threat WAS real and that they should prepare....on top of that of course they werent going too send an entire fleet into the terminus too ****** off all the warlords and gangsters with private armys just too go get a rogue specter who was more of a pain in the ass than anything really dangerous (again in there eyes there is no reaper threat)Lord Zeuss wrote...
ashlover mark 2 wrote...
well i wouldnt say that the council abaondoned shep and the crew.....they just gave him an order not too purseue saren anymore and grounded him.....the council had no real proof that the reapers were real and they were really going too come back. too them the misson was over.(of course they were wrong however)
By giving those orders, the Council effectively withdrew their support of Shepard and crew (Udina even took active steps against Shepard by grounding Normandy). On any kind of battlefield this is tantamount to abandonment.
"If their backs are against a wall, they'll abandon us."
Their backs *were* up against a wall; they had to either accept the danger of the threat presented to them and take the prudent actions called for, or decide that they simply knew best and do nothing. There was no longer any wiggle room for the Council, and they choked on recognizing the danger, convinced themselves the threat was not credible, and abandoned Shepard.
the fact of the matter is that like the alliance in ME2 the council had very good reasons not too act and not enough concrete proof that they should.
i agree with you on ashleys views when it comes too the whole "dont count on them staying freinds" the simple fact is that in war and poltics in the end a country,its ppl,and its leaders can only look out for itself in the long run. it can try too cooperate and co-exist with others for as long as possiable but in the end your loyaltys are too your self and your country.Lord Zeuss wrote...
ashlover mark 2 wrote...
again, they dismissed it as not a credible threat beacuz shepard wasnt doing his job all that well and was blowing up bases with nukes instead looking at critacle consoles too find proof that the threat WAS real and that they should prepare....on top of that of course they werent going too send an entire fleet into the terminus too ****** off all the warlords and gangsters with private armys just too go get a rogue specter who was more of a pain in the ass than anything really dangerous (again in there eyes there is no reaper threat)Lord Zeuss wrote...
ashlover mark 2 wrote...
well i wouldnt say that the council abaondoned shep and the crew.....they just gave him an order not too purseue saren anymore and grounded him.....the council had no real proof that the reapers were real and they were really going too come back. too them the misson was over.(of course they were wrong however)
By giving those orders, the Council effectively withdrew their support of Shepard and crew (Udina even took active steps against Shepard by grounding Normandy). On any kind of battlefield this is tantamount to abandonment.
"If their backs are against a wall, they'll abandon us."
Their backs *were* up against a wall; they had to either accept the danger of the threat presented to them and take the prudent actions called for, or decide that they simply knew best and do nothing. There was no longer any wiggle room for the Council, and they choked on recognizing the danger, convinced themselves the threat was not credible, and abandoned Shepard.
the fact of the matter is that like the alliance in ME2 the council had very good reasons not too act and not enough concrete proof that they should.
Well, I'm not really arguing the whole "the Council should have listened" argument, at least I'm not intending to. I am pointing out that Ashley's prestated views are absolutely born out by proceeding circumstances, and that Shepard should have done a better job listening to her.
Modifié par ashlover mark 2, 12 juin 2010 - 02:21 .
ashlover mark 2 wrote...
i agree with you on ashleys views when it comes too the whole "dont count on them staying freinds" the simple fact is that in war and poltics in the end a country,its ppl,and its leaders can only look out for itself in the long run. it can try too cooperate and co-exist with others for as long as possiable but in the end your loyaltys are too your self and your country.Lord Zeuss wrote...
ashlover mark 2 wrote...
again, they dismissed it as not a credible threat beacuz shepard wasnt doing his job all that well and was blowing up bases with nukes instead looking at critacle consoles too find proof that the threat WAS real and that they should prepare....on top of that of course they werent going too send an entire fleet into the terminus too ****** off all the warlords and gangsters with private armys just too go get a rogue specter who was more of a pain in the ass than anything really dangerous (again in there eyes there is no reaper threat)Lord Zeuss wrote...
ashlover mark 2 wrote...
well i wouldnt say that the council abaondoned shep and the crew.....they just gave him an order not too purseue saren anymore and grounded him.....the council had no real proof that the reapers were real and they were really going too come back. too them the misson was over.(of course they were wrong however)
By giving those orders, the Council effectively withdrew their support of Shepard and crew (Udina even took active steps against Shepard by grounding Normandy). On any kind of battlefield this is tantamount to abandonment.
"If their backs are against a wall, they'll abandon us."
Their backs *were* up against a wall; they had to either accept the danger of the threat presented to them and take the prudent actions called for, or decide that they simply knew best and do nothing. There was no longer any wiggle room for the Council, and they choked on recognizing the danger, convinced themselves the threat was not credible, and abandoned Shepard.
the fact of the matter is that like the alliance in ME2 the council had very good reasons not too act and not enough concrete proof that they should.
Well, I'm not really arguing the whole "the Council should have listened" argument, at least I'm not intending to. I am pointing out that Ashley's prestated views are absolutely born out by proceeding circumstances, and that Shepard should have done a better job listening to her.
but wheither the the council proved her right at the end of ME1 i belive is where we disagree.
well idk about that technacily sheps a tratior......Funkcase wrote...
ashlover mark 2 wrote...
i agree with you on ashleys views when it comes too the whole "dont count on them staying freinds" the simple fact is that in war and poltics in the end a country,its ppl,and its leaders can only look out for itself in the long run. it can try too cooperate and co-exist with others for as long as possiable but in the end your loyaltys are too your self and your country.Lord Zeuss wrote...
ashlover mark 2 wrote...
again, they dismissed it as not a credible threat beacuz shepard wasnt doing his job all that well and was blowing up bases with nukes instead looking at critacle consoles too find proof that the threat WAS real and that they should prepare....on top of that of course they werent going too send an entire fleet into the terminus too ****** off all the warlords and gangsters with private armys just too go get a rogue specter who was more of a pain in the ass than anything really dangerous (again in there eyes there is no reaper threat)Lord Zeuss wrote...
ashlover mark 2 wrote...
well i wouldnt say that the council abaondoned shep and the crew.....they just gave him an order not too purseue saren anymore and grounded him.....the council had no real proof that the reapers were real and they were really going too come back. too them the misson was over.(of course they were wrong however)
By giving those orders, the Council effectively withdrew their support of Shepard and crew (Udina even took active steps against Shepard by grounding Normandy). On any kind of battlefield this is tantamount to abandonment.
"If their backs are against a wall, they'll abandon us."
Their backs *were* up against a wall; they had to either accept the danger of the threat presented to them and take the prudent actions called for, or decide that they simply knew best and do nothing. There was no longer any wiggle room for the Council, and they choked on recognizing the danger, convinced themselves the threat was not credible, and abandoned Shepard.
the fact of the matter is that like the alliance in ME2 the council had very good reasons not too act and not enough concrete proof that they should.
Well, I'm not really arguing the whole "the Council should have listened" argument, at least I'm not intending to. I am pointing out that Ashley's prestated views are absolutely born out by proceeding circumstances, and that Shepard should have done a better job listening to her.
but wheither the the council proved her right at the end of ME1 i belive is where we disagree.
They proved it in ME2 lol
hes a member of cerberus a known terroist organzation and enemy of the council.hes rather lucky they didnt issue a warrant for his arrest and court marshall him the minute he arrvied at the citadel.flying the cerberus flag all over his ship no less even going so far as too walk around the citadel with two other know cerberus operatives and a GETH another one of there enmeys.....id say the council had alot of reason too be suspious of shep.
Modifié par ashlover mark 2, 12 juin 2010 - 02:33 .
ashlover mark 2 wrote...
well idk about that technacily sheps a tratior......Funkcase wrote...
ashlover mark 2 wrote...
i agree with you on ashleys views when it comes too the whole "dont count on them staying freinds" the simple fact is that in war and poltics in the end a country,its ppl,and its leaders can only look out for itself in the long run. it can try too cooperate and co-exist with others for as long as possiable but in the end your loyaltys are too your self and your country.Lord Zeuss wrote...
ashlover mark 2 wrote...
again, they dismissed it as not a credible threat beacuz shepard wasnt doing his job all that well and was blowing up bases with nukes instead looking at critacle consoles too find proof that the threat WAS real and that they should prepare....on top of that of course they werent going too send an entire fleet into the terminus too ****** off all the warlords and gangsters with private armys just too go get a rogue specter who was more of a pain in the ass than anything really dangerous (again in there eyes there is no reaper threat)Lord Zeuss wrote...
ashlover mark 2 wrote...
well i wouldnt say that the council abaondoned shep and the crew.....they just gave him an order not too purseue saren anymore and grounded him.....the council had no real proof that the reapers were real and they were really going too come back. too them the misson was over.(of course they were wrong however)
By giving those orders, the Council effectively withdrew their support of Shepard and crew (Udina even took active steps against Shepard by grounding Normandy). On any kind of battlefield this is tantamount to abandonment.
"If their backs are against a wall, they'll abandon us."
Their backs *were* up against a wall; they had to either accept the danger of the threat presented to them and take the prudent actions called for, or decide that they simply knew best and do nothing. There was no longer any wiggle room for the Council, and they choked on recognizing the danger, convinced themselves the threat was not credible, and abandoned Shepard.
the fact of the matter is that like the alliance in ME2 the council had very good reasons not too act and not enough concrete proof that they should.
Well, I'm not really arguing the whole "the Council should have listened" argument, at least I'm not intending to. I am pointing out that Ashley's prestated views are absolutely born out by proceeding circumstances, and that Shepard should have done a better job listening to her.
but wheither the the council proved her right at the end of ME1 i belive is where we disagree.
They proved it in ME2 lol
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They are quite a doozy, aren't they?Lord Zeuss wrote...
Start snipping those quotes, now.
Lord Zeuss wrote...
You know, there's another thing Ashley says that may tie into a theory I have. "If you're fighting a bear, and the only way for you to survive is to sic your dog on it and run, you'll do it."
Now, I theorize that the Council races are already aware of the impending Reaper threat. Maybe none of them have even admitted this knowledge to each other, but I bet they all know. And now that humankind is discovering the nature of the threat for ourselves, the Council are, consciously or unconsciously trying to push us into the unknown, to "sic us" on the Reapers, as it were, in hopes that we will deal with the problem or at least buy them time to prepare or mount a defense.
I don't know if any of that is true, but if it is, I think Ash ought to take up prophecy full-time.
Funkcase wrote...
Lord Zeuss wrote...
You know, there's another thing Ashley says that may tie into a theory I have. "If you're fighting a bear, and the only way for you to survive is to sic your dog on it and run, you'll do it."
Now, I theorize that the Council races are already aware of the impending Reaper threat. Maybe none of them have even admitted this knowledge to each other, but I bet they all know. And now that humankind is discovering the nature of the threat for ourselves, the Council are, consciously or unconsciously trying to push us into the unknown, to "sic us" on the Reapers, as it were, in hopes that we will deal with the problem or at least buy them time to prepare or mount a defense.
I don't know if any of that is true, but if it is, I think Ash ought to take up prophecy full-time.
Wow, screw the Asari, Ash is the mystical one! Lol, she will call you insane if you said that to her though
Mystic Ash!
Lord Zeuss wrote...
Funkcase wrote...
Lord Zeuss wrote...
You know, there's another thing Ashley says that may tie into a theory I have. "If you're fighting a bear, and the only way for you to survive is to sic your dog on it and run, you'll do it."
Now, I theorize that the Council races are already aware of the impending Reaper threat. Maybe none of them have even admitted this knowledge to each other, but I bet they all know. And now that humankind is discovering the nature of the threat for ourselves, the Council are, consciously or unconsciously trying to push us into the unknown, to "sic us" on the Reapers, as it were, in hopes that we will deal with the problem or at least buy them time to prepare or mount a defense.
I don't know if any of that is true, but if it is, I think Ash ought to take up prophecy full-time.
Wow, screw the Asari, Ash is the mystical one! Lol, she will call you insane if you said that to her though
I'd almost pay to see the weird look Shepard would get from her!
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