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[Ywasibanned]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Sheperd survived on his own, nobody arrived on a timely matter to save him thats what makes a survivor. You aint a survivor if somebody comes in the nick of time.

That's true. It took around two years to save him 

Also, it's not specifically mentioned how Sole Survivour Shep gets rescued. Judging from the 50 dead and multiple giant, carnivorous alien worms, I'd think he was rescued instead of somehow managing to survive on his own.

Modifié par Ywasibanned, 25 août 2011 - 09:32 .

[Sylvianus]

Brodyaha wrote...

AuggyDoggysan wrote...

This motivational is rather poignant.

I like.

Agreed. Rather poignant.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 25 août 2011 - 09:55 .

[Spartas Husky]

Ywasibanned wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Sheperd survived on his own, nobody arrived on a timely matter to save him thats what makes a survivor. You aint a survivor if somebody comes in the nick of time.

That's true. It took around two years to save him 

Also, it's not specifically mentioned how Sole Survivour Shep gets rescued. Judging from the 50 dead and multiple giant, carnivorous alien worms, I'd think he was rescued instead of somehow managing to survive on his own.

True survivors get rescued. but is in the timing. Those who survive do so after being broken or nearly done so. Ashley survived... for 20 minutes. Thats not a surviros. Thats being lucky.

I just hope she did something amazing in the back in the 2 years we were out to justify her new post. I dont know why I'd feel angry at the idea of:  "YOu are being promoted!!!!.... because your Shepd's Friend...."

[Spartas Husky]

........eghwww not her best picture I'd admit



Truthfully though. You'd think an individual proud as Ashley would be grateful instead of insulted by receiving a promotion "because your his friend"?

[AuggyDoggysan]

I think if Ash is a spectre in me3 it is b/c of the things she has done. We don't know what that is for the last three years because bioware has not released that information yet. But they say they will in me3.

Saying that Ash shouldn't be a spectre b/c she had not done enough is like saying Sergeant York or Audie Murphy shouldn't have received the US Medal of Honor b/c three years before they were not even in the army.

[Spartas Husky]

AuggyDoggysan wrote...

I think if Ash is a spectre in me3 it is b/c of the things she has done. We don't know what that is for the last three years because bioware has not released that information yet. But they say they will in me3.

Saying that Ash shouldn't be a spectre b/c she had not done enough is like saying Sergeant York or Audie Murphy shouldn't have received the US Medal of Honor b/c three years before they were not even in the army.

1st. Yes thats what I am hoping  is what her promotion was based on.

2nd. That doesn't really make sense. Specters aren't a decorations they are a promotion to Elite Shadow Ops. On your 2nd statement might want to think of another example because it has no place here.

My point was that if an individual in Force Recon, Rangers, Air Force Paratroopers, Don't get promoted because one of their guy exceeded expectations. There is no such thing as "promotion by affiliation".

So yes I do agree with your first statement though I hope she was promoted out of her own merits during the 3 years we haven't seen her much. If that is so, then hell yeah she deserves the post. My issue is if she got promoted simply by being associated with Shep.

[Spartas Husky]

UNique abilities not so much she is an exceptional infantry soldier, but she hasn't had any chance to proove her mettle. A mission hunting someone by helping a shadow op isn't really grounds for promotion to full specter. So if that was the entire basis for her promotion i'd feel her character is being insulted.

On the other hand after the saren hunt and her promotion to special ops in the alliance. ANd during those 3 years we didn't see her she was in an near suicidal missions. Then hell yes by all means she prooved her mettle. Anything less than awe inspiring missions during those last 3 years seem to short of a time to promote her to be a full blow specter by any means. Plenty of spec ops the alliance has with dozens of times her experience and time in service to qualify as specters.

So yeah.... if she did in 3 years what others spec ops accomplished in a decade or more. hell yeah bring ashley as a specter. ANything less than an equivalent of the Skillian blitz( of course in hush hush terms) would no really justify her for being a specter.

Unless the alliance severely lowered the standards for specter admission. No insult being intended to ashley but 3 years seem too short unless something incredibly big she accomplished.

[Spartas Husky]

True about the collective. But ANy team of specialist would have done the job. Even though I love Ash and Garrus. Every single one of them didn't put anything major forth to the team. Any other specialized soldier would have filled the gap.

Sheperd on the other hand was lucky or... unlucky depending on how you view it to have gotten to close to the beacon. It was simply luck.

Collectively escorting a high priority target to its destination doesn't mean the members of the team are as important as the person carrying the information or knowing it. In ME1 is more or less an escort and hunt mission. The one who knows is the only important one. IN that regard non of the other teammates are as important... although I do not like to admit it... maybe liara given her prothean knowledge. ALthough Saren found out where Illos was without Liara so she might have been more important however not indispencible.


So is she was being tested during those 3 years... BASED on what happended with Sheperd. big ass slap in the face. That just screams out again "promotion by association".
But if she was tested based on What happended after she was promoted following the normandy destruction. Then Hell yeah I am all for it being a specter.

It all depends whether she began being tested because of her time with sheperd, or because of her accomplishments AFTER the normandy was destroyed.

Just like Sheperd. The Skillian Blitz if ur a war hero made him be noticed Because he prooved on his own he had what it took to be a specter. Although he used a team, he prooved he was effective without one. I hope Ashley prooved herself just like any of the Shep's Backgrounds after the Normandy got destroyed. Bioware is known for prioritizing writting above other things and respecting the character as well as their merits should follow suit.

[Balsam Beige]

Bottom line is we do not have enough info on the missing years. Is Ash qualified for promotion to Spectre or not? Only Bioware knows. They need to have a good explanation of her qualifications in ME3, if she is indeed a Spectre, otherwise they cheapen the position. My worry is that they have made her a Spectre in order to create tension between her and Shepard. Only speculation.

As far as "promoted by association". Remember that this happens quite often in real life. Was Eisenhower or Grant elected President because they were great politicians? No, they were great military leaders. Actors and sports stars are elected to office also, why? because they are qualified? No, because of name recognition. Remember Shepard was dead, then worked for Cerberus. Humanity needed a new hero. I could see them promoting her to Spectre because of merit and association. Especially by an all human council.

Modifié par Balsam Beige, 27 août 2011 - 02:52 .

[Spartas Husky]

Balsam Beige wrote...

 My worry is that they have made her a Spectre in order to create tension between her and Shepard. Only speculation.

As far as "promoted by association". Remember that this happens quite often in real life. Was Eisenhower or Grant elected President because they were great politicians? No, they were great military leaders. Actors and sports stars are elected to office also, why? because they are qualified? No, because of name recognition. Remember Shepard was dead, then worked for Cerberus. Humanity needed a new hero. I could see them promoting her to Spectre because of merit and association. Especially by an all human council.

ON the first, totally agree that is my fear.

On the 2nd. No it does not happen in real life when it comes to the military. Politicians is one thing. She is a soldier not a policitian. Promotion by association doesn't happen in the military below the Colonel level.

[Balsam Beige]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Balsam Beige wrote...

 My worry is that they have made her a Spectre in order to create tension between her and Shepard. Only speculation.

As far as "promoted by association". Remember that this happens quite often in real life. Was Eisenhower or Grant elected President because they were great politicians? No, they were great military leaders. Actors and sports stars are elected to office also, why? because they are qualified? No, because of name recognition. Remember Shepard was dead, then worked for Cerberus. Humanity needed a new hero. I could see them promoting her to Spectre because of merit and association. Especially by an all human council.

ON the first, totally agree that is my fear.

On the 2nd. No it does not happen in real life when it comes to the military. Politicians is one thing. She is a soldier not a policitian. Promotion by association doesn't happen in the military below the Colonel level.

If you read your military history you will discover that it does happen in the military. Some of the great military blunders in history were committed by unqualified commanders promoted to the position by association. I could give you numerous examples, but that is for another thread. My point was, Ash was on the team that took down Saren, she also has been working with Anderson (the human representative on the council). Her association with Shepard (the first human Spectre) and Anderson could and I say again could be enough to merit promotion to Spectre. Sometimes being in the right place at the right time can make all the difference. Just my opinion.

Modifié par Balsam Beige, 27 août 2011 - 10:51 .

[Spartas Husky]

Balsam Beige wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Balsam Beige wrote...

 My worry is that they have made her a Spectre in order to create tension between her and Shepard. Only speculation.

As far as "promoted by association". Remember that this happens quite often in real life. Was Eisenhower or Grant elected President because they were great politicians? No, they were great military leaders. Actors and sports stars are elected to office also, why? because they are qualified? No, because of name recognition. Remember Shepard was dead, then worked for Cerberus. Humanity needed a new hero. I could see them promoting her to Spectre because of merit and association. Especially by an all human council.

ON the first, totally agree that is my fear.

On the 2nd. No it does not happen in real life when it comes to the military. Politicians is one thing. She is a soldier not a policitian. Promotion by association doesn't happen in the military below the Colonel level.

If you read your military history you will discover that it does happen in the military. Some of the great military blunders in history were committed by unqualified commanders promoted to the position by association. I could give you numerous examples, but that is for another thread. My point was, Ash was on the team that took down Saren, she also has been working with Anderson (the human representative on the council). Her association with Shepard (the first human Spectre) and Anderson could and I say again could be enough to merit promotion to Spectre. Just my opinion.

I understand history is one thing. Hell the romans during the gallic war, the empire during the german invasion, the greeks in many instances.
I mispoke however. Today on the front promotion by association does not happen, and it hasn't in the past 30 years.

"Her association with Shepard (the first human Spectre) and Anderson could and I say again could be enough to merit promotion to Spectre. Just my opinion."

I completely agree. My issue this whole time is. Is that enough grounds to promote her to being a specter?
Question is :
you dont feel being promoted by the reasons you just stated insults the character at all?. If not then guess we just have 2 very different opinions on how to earn wwhat one has.

[Balsam Beige]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Balsam Beige wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Balsam Beige wrote...

 My worry is that they have made her a Spectre in order to create tension between her and Shepard. Only speculation.

As far as "promoted by association". Remember that this happens quite often in real life. Was Eisenhower or Grant elected President because they were great politicians? No, they were great military leaders. Actors and sports stars are elected to office also, why? because they are qualified? No, because of name recognition. Remember Shepard was dead, then worked for Cerberus. Humanity needed a new hero. I could see them promoting her to Spectre because of merit and association. Especially by an all human council.

ON the first, totally agree that is my fear.

On the 2nd. No it does not happen in real life when it comes to the military. Politicians is one thing. She is a soldier not a policitian. Promotion by association doesn't happen in the military below the Colonel level.

If you read your military history you will discover that it does happen in the military. Some of the great military blunders in history were committed by unqualified commanders promoted to the position by association. I could give you numerous examples, but that is for another thread. My point was, Ash was on the team that took down Saren, she also has been working with Anderson (the human representative on the council). Her association with Shepard (the first human Spectre) and Anderson could and I say again could be enough to merit promotion to Spectre. Just my opinion.

I understand history is one thing. Hell the romans during the gallic war, the empire during the german invasion, the greeks in many instances.
I mispoke however. Today on the front promotion by association does not happen, and it hasn't in the past 30 years.

"Her association with Shepard (the first human Spectre) and Anderson could and I say again could be enough to merit promotion to Spectre. Just my opinion."

I completely agree. My issue this whole time is. Is that enough grounds to promote her to being a specter?
Question is :
you dont feel being promoted by the reasons you just stated insults the character at all?. If not then guess we just have 2 very different opinions on how to earn wwhat one has.

I think that we are close to a consesus. I do not think that association is grounds enough for her promotion. It does happen though and I think Bioware could use it as an explanation. And yes, that would be insulting to the character. I question if Ash would accept it at all if that were the case. As I stated before, we do not have enough info on the missing years. Hopefully Bioware will explain it satisfactorily.

[Spartas Husky]

We've Reached Concensus

[Balsam Beige]

[Spartas Husky]

Is it the angle or does her head seem too big in that picture?

[GRISHASAUR]

what do guys think
twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/109003921128824833
"Just listened in on one of Ash's sessions minutes ago. She's definitely more mature & more at ease with herself now."

[Balsam Beige]

GRISHASAUR wrote...

what do guys think
twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/109003921128824833
"Just listened in on one of Ash's sessions minutes ago. She's definitely more mature & more at ease with herself now."

Hm.....It depends on what he means by more mature and more at ease with herself.  Is it the same Ash we all know and love from ME1? We need to see her in a conversation.  A short clip would suffice. Just to ease our minds that it is the same Ash.

[Spartas Husky]

Can I as a male have a companion that looks like fem shep... Feels weird, but looks amazing, and does so without being over sexualized

At least the ME3 version.

[Jhon Flash]

@Spartas: I would say yes it's ok. Some might say it's like having sex with an Alt reality self but since that is not the case she is simply a woman.

[Spartas Husky]

Jhon Flash wrote...

@Spartas: I would say yes it's ok. Some might say it's like having sex with an Alt reality self but since that is not the case she is simply a woman.

I....umm had not thought of it that way. Now you ruined Fem shep for me. lol

[Badpie]

Balsam Beige wrote...

The angle of this pic is weird, but it only serves to make her like 50 times more adorable.  LOOK AT THAT FACE!  D'awwwwwww!

New Untitled Chapterrrrrr