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[SilverRose208]

Do you think it would have changed her character, if at all, if instead of saying "thanks for the help" (and I do believe that's what she says - but I could be wrong), she thanked Shepard for "saving" her?

[Lord Zeuss]

SilverRose208 wrote...

Do you think it would have changed her character, if at all, if instead of saying "thanks for the help" (and I do believe that's what she says - but I could be wrong), she thanked Shepard for "saving" her?

"Gunnery Chief Ashley Williams of the 212, are you the one in charge here, sir?" I believe is what she says.

[Lord Zeuss]

She was just straight down to business, as I recall.

[SilverRose208]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

She was just straight down to business, as I recall.

Oh, crap.  I retract some (not all) of my earlier Gloria Steinem-ing.  "Thanks for the help, Commander.  I didn't think I was gonna make it."

Found Eden Prime on YouTube

Modifié par SilverRose208, 17 juin 2010 - 12:57 .

[Lord Zeuss]

SilverRose208 wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

She was just straight down to business, as I recall.

Oh, crap.  I retract some (not all) of my earlier Gloria Steinem-ing.  "Thanks for the help, Commander.  I didn't think I was gonna make it."

Found Eden Prime on YouTube

Oh, that's right, the stuff she just kinda says, before you initiate the conversation.

[Lord Zeuss]

I still stand by "assist" rather than "save".

[ashlover mark 2]

SilverRose208 wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

She was just straight down to business, as I recall.

Oh, crap.  I retract some (not all) of my earlier Gloria Steinem-ing.  "Thanks for the help, Commander.  I didn't think I was gonna make it."

Found Eden Prime on YouTube

lol i was going too do this same thing awhile ago and bring up that line.....however i didnt feel like argueing anymore.

[SilverRose208]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

I still stand by "assist" rather than "save".

Yeah, me too.  It's so nonchalant that neither you nor I even remembered it - which is also awesome.  It's not like she ran up to him shouting "YOU'RE MY HERO!" or anything.

[Lord Zeuss]

SilverRose208 wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

I still stand by "assist" rather than "save".

Yeah, me too.  It's so nonchalant that neither you nor I even remembered it - which is also awesome.  It's not like she ran up to him shouting "YOU'RE MY HERO!" or anything.

That would have been:

Plus, she didn't insist that she saved him.

[ashlover mark 2]

this is all i will have too say on this subject then i will bid you all a good night.



if shepard and the normandy werent there and if other alliance reinforcements did not arrive within 20-30 mins (remeber saren set the nukes to 5 mins) ashley,jacob,and everyone else within the blast radius of FOUR nuclrear weapons would be dead and we all know that.so maybe ash didnt need help that EXACT moment you meet her in game but sooner or later she would have needed too be saved by SOMEONE be it shepard or other alliance forces and that is what i mean by shepard saved her.NOT that he ran in there and saved her from certain death at that moment but rather he saved her from certain death at a later point in time from either Geth hunter killer patrols or those 4 nukes.

[SilverRose208]

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

this is all i will have too say on this subject then i will bid you all a good night.

if shepard and the normandy werent there and if other alliance reinforcements did not arrive within 20-30 mins (remeber saren set the nukes to 5 mins) ashley,jacob,and everyone else within the blast radius of FOUR nuclrear weapons would be dead and we all know that.so maybe ash didnt need help that EXACT moment you meet her in game but sooner or later she would have needed too be saved by SOMEONE be it shepard or other alliance forces and that is what i mean by shepard saved her.NOT that he ran in there and saved her from certain death at that moment but rather he saved her from certain death at a later point in time from either Geth hunter killer patrols or those 4 nukes.

This is another great point.  I don't think that anyone disagrees that the nukes are a threat - I was more, personally, reacting to the perception that Shepard is her personal 'knight in shining armor' in that moment, which I disagree with.  The nukes are another story, to me anyway.

And good night, homeslice. 

[Lord Zeuss]

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

this is all i will have too say on this subject then i will bid you all a good night.

if shepard and the normandy werent there and if other alliance reinforcements did not arrive within 20-30 mins (remeber saren set the nukes to 5 mins) ashley,jacob,and everyone else within the blast radius of FOUR nuclrear weapons would be dead and we all know that.so maybe ash didnt need help that EXACT moment you meet her in game but sooner or later she would have needed too be saved by SOMEONE be it shepard or other alliance forces and that is what i mean by shepard saved her.NOT that he ran in there and saved her from certain death at that moment but rather he saved her from certain death at a later point in time from either Geth hunter killer patrols or those 4 nukes.

True statement. If a bit... broad in scope. Broad to the point of being obviously true. Smacks of technicality a bit too much to me.

[Lord Zeuss]

SilverRose208 wrote...

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

this is all i will have too say on this subject then i will bid you all a good night.

if shepard and the normandy werent there and if other alliance reinforcements did not arrive within 20-30 mins (remeber saren set the nukes to 5 mins) ashley,jacob,and everyone else within the blast radius of FOUR nuclrear weapons would be dead and we all know that.so maybe ash didnt need help that EXACT moment you meet her in game but sooner or later she would have needed too be saved by SOMEONE be it shepard or other alliance forces and that is what i mean by shepard saved her.NOT that he ran in there and saved her from certain death at that moment but rather he saved her from certain death at a later point in time from either Geth hunter killer patrols or those 4 nukes.

This is another great point.  I don't think that anyone disagrees that the nukes are a threat - I was more, personally, reacting to the perception that Shepard is her personal 'knight in shining armor' in that moment, which I disagree with.  The nukes are another story, to me anyway.

And good night, homeslice. 

"I don't need a knight in shining armor, or a man to make me happy."

Or something like that.

[SilverRose208]

My favorite Ash quote  and one I reference directly or indirectly often.

"I dont need money, a knight in shining armor, or a man to make me happy. This is who I am.  I like her - and you best too."

[bebop50]

I have a question for the Ash thread, When Ash and Shepard meet up again in ME3 how do you think their relationship should be resumed. For me I think there should be some tension between them even though she apologized in that e-mail it was an e-mail and not face to face I think it should take awhile before there that level of trust and love. While I read on the previous thread that some thought she had a right to be mad but to me her stubborn nature wouldn't allow her to listen. I know it was 2 year for her but during that 2 years she saw how the Council and Alliance turned on him. If she truly loved him she should be able to understand him which only Tali and Garrus did. They didn't trust Cerberus they trusted Shepard. So I think <if you didn't dump her> that this should be played out over time not some meet her 3 times and your in love again. What is the Ashley thread looking for

[SilverRose208]

bebop50 wrote...

I have a question for the Ash thread, When Ash and Shepard meet up again in ME3 how do you think their relationship should be resumed. For me I think there should be some tension between them even though she apologized in that e-mail it was an e-mail and not face to face I think it should take awhile before there that level of trust and love. While I read on the previous thread that some thought she had a right to be mad but to me her stubborn nature wouldn't allow her to listen. I know it was 2 year for her but during that 2 years she saw how the Council and Alliance turned on him. If she truly loved him she should be able to understand him which only Tali and Garrus did. They didn't trust Cerberus they trusted Shepard. So I think that this should be played out over time not some meet her 3 times and your in love again. What is the Ashley thread looking for

Good question.  Honestly, I doubt you'll see us reach consensus on this point (ME pun - I slay me). 

In my opinion, she's seen enough evidence to know that Shepard isn't the Big Bad after all - this is pretty clear, IMO, from her letter - and the fact that she sent anything at all (gameplay mechanics aside) is huge for Ash: she's not a word person, it's a big freaking gesture, and she still makes it pretty clear that she has feelings for him.  As cheesy and terribly schmaltzy as it sounds, I think those two have a transcendent bond, if you will, and that there's really nothing that needs to be said or done - I don't think they'll fall into lockstep again immediately, but I don't see the need for a whole lot of tension or distance.  

After all, despite the time and the pain caused on both sides, that's part of love: putting aside hurt in order to mend, and learning how to rise from the ashes of something together.

[ashlover mark 2]

@Silv nice post made me feel all warm inside


@bebop50 (sigh) was gonna go too bed but couldnt let this one go....first off most of us ash fans see the whole ceberus thing like this sheps working for or associated with bad ppl.ash dosnt want too work for or be associated with said bad ppl it isnt soo much that she dosnt trust him its just that joining up with cerberus would have much more widespread implactions and consqaeunces in the long run for her example how do you think her superiors in the alliance would handle her teaming up with known terroists.something too think about while comteplating ashleys charecter and motives.

as for the relationship idc how it plays out as long as in the end they get back togther and there both happy for a
little while atleast.


EDIT:now im really getting off good night ash thread

Modifié par ashlover mark 2, 17 juin 2010 - 01:45 .

[Lord Zeuss]

bebop50 wrote...

I have a question for the Ash thread, When Ash and Shepard meet up again in ME3 how do you think their relationship should be resumed. For me I think there should be some tension between them even though she apologized in that e-mail it was an e-mail and not face to face I think it should take awhile before there that level of trust and love. While I read on the previous thread that some thought she had a right to be mad but to me her stubborn nature wouldn't allow her to listen. I know it was 2 year for her but during that 2 years she saw how the Council and Alliance turned on him. If she truly loved him she should be able to understand him which only Tali and Garrus did. They didn't trust Cerberus they trusted Shepard. So I think that this should be played out over time not some meet her 3 times and your in love again. What is the Ashley thread looking for

That lost trust must definitely be rebuilt over some time. In her email, Ash seems to convey that she's starting to understand why Shepard is doing what he's doing, but I get the impression it's more an understanding based on faith than anything else. Much as Garrus and Tali follow Shepard--because of faith. Truth be told, I expect Ashley to be better than to simply follow out of faith, I want her to join Shepard because she believes it's the right thing to do, not because it's what she thinks Shepard wants.

If there is a quick reunite and then all is roses and fluffy happies between Shepard and Ashley I will be very disappointed. I am actually proud of Ashley for not joining Shepard on Horizon, because it proved to me that she will hold Shepard to moral standards.

[bebop50]

I think there should be some tension at least in the begining during that exchange as so as Cerberus is mention she back off like I was on fire even with Garrus with me she acted like I l lost all reason I mean why would Garrus work with Cerberus. First I'm a God then I'm a traitor. I just don't want to see it resolved to quick because then that whole meeting will lose it's meaning

[SilverRose208]

yfhfrg wrote...

I seem to be the only one who liked Horizon. There was shoddy writing at times imo sure, but all in all I liked it. I liked the fact it didn't go smooth, I liked the fact it didn't make perfect sense. Sometimes things do that in a relationship, like say if one person dies and the other spends a couple years moving on with their life and suddenly the dead guy's back. So umm.. yeah where was I going with this? Horizon wouldn't make sense if they just got back immediately like nothing ever happened. It might go that way at first, but of course there should be some unresolved issues there.

I don't like Horizon, but I don't mind it.  I understand its purpose in the story arc - I just hope that it's handled well.

On that note, I am going bye-bye for now, but will be back later. 

[Lord Zeuss]

bebop50 wrote...

I think there should be some tension at least in the begining during that exchange as soon as Cerberus is mention she back off like I was on fire even with Garrus with me she acted like l lost all reason I mean why would Garrus work with Cerberus. First I'm a God then I'm a traitor. I just don't want to see it resolved to quick because then that whole meeting will lose it's meaning

Cerberus is a sensitive subject, and you know the betrayals that hurt the worst are the ones from people you care about. Ash obviously cared about Shepard, romance or no, and with all the rumors of him being alive and working with Cerberus, seeing those rumors apparently confirmed before her very eyes before the shock of seeing him alive after two years had even settled in... Given the information she had available to her, it's unreasonable to expect her to have reacted any other way.

I do want to see this conflict resolved gradually.

[bebop50]

Thanks for the answers I know that horizon was played out to make you want to romance someone else < that's my opinon > but if written well could make ME3 great, night

[Lord Zeuss]

bebop50 wrote...

Thanks for the answers I know that horizon was played out to make you want to romance someone else but if written well could make ME3 great, night

See ya! Yeah, Bioware wanted to put its players through the same "loyalty" rigamarole as we so pretentiously did to all of our party members.

In closing: "I still know where my loyalties lie. I'm an Alliance soldier, it's in my blood."