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[SilverRose208]

Lord Zeuss wrote...
I am sure that soft spot is still there, she's just had to bury it deeper than ever before. Silver also made a good point about Ashley getting 'more in touch with her feelings'. I agree there is a marked difference in the way she reacted in highly emotional situations in Mass Effect 1 as opposed to Mass Effect 2. Instead of flying off the handle at Shepard, she gets really cool and ominous. I definitely think she's taken the experiences of ME1 and molded herself to meet higher self-expectations (i.e. flying off the handle less often).

I completely agree with this.  I think she's still snarky and witty but has gotten used to hiding it.  Hopefully, reuniting with Shepard will bring that back out in her again.  Part of what makes Ash, well, Ash is that she's able to be soft and tough at the same time, witty as well as sensitive.  I don't think they'd make her suddenly very serious without having any of that former spark there.

[V-rex]

SilverRose208 wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...
I am sure that soft spot is still there, she's just had to bury it deeper than ever before. Silver also made a good point about Ashley getting 'more in touch with her feelings'. I agree there is a marked difference in the way she reacted in highly emotional situations in Mass Effect 1 as opposed to Mass Effect 2. Instead of flying off the handle at Shepard, she gets really cool and ominous. I definitely think she's taken the experiences of ME1 and molded herself to meet higher self-expectations (i.e. flying off the handle less often).

I completely agree with this.  I think she's still snarky and witty but has gotten used to hiding it.  Hopefully, reuniting with Shepard will bring that back out in her again.  Part of what makes Ash, well, Ash is that she's able to be soft and tough at the same time, witty as well as sensitive.  I don't think they'd make her suddenly very serious without having any of that former spark there.

I agree, the best part of Ashley's character was that she had the toughness and the warm human side both in equal proportions and both always clearly present in conversations.
My guess is either she became much tougher after losing Shepard or perhaps just a little bit softer, which would be interesting I guess, just as long as she still retains that same personality.
So yeah I too hope that the wit and just general spark remains present.

[JMKnave]

V-rex wrote...

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

JMKnave wrote...

I would be very surprised if Bioware actually wrote in a romance for the movie. It would be quite an undertaking to add in a romance subplot along with the whole main reapers plot. And I'm not sure if they would have time to deal with something like this in a 1.5 to 2 hr movie.

Depends how you define a romance subplot, if you know what I mean.

Knowing Hollywood that would usually translate to a gratuitous sex scene, still if the actress looked perfectly like Ash then maybe I wouldn't complain about that too much....

Anyway I feel things are getting a wee bit off topic here so I'll try once again to invoke more Ash related conversation. Namely:

How much do you reckon Ashley's personality may have changed since Mass Effect 1? After all in her email to Shepard she noted that she had changed a little bit from who she was from before and I wonder in what way.

Personally I like to think that if she was influenced right, that she's gotten over her slight grudge towards aliens and that maybe she's become even more tough and more determined as a military leader than she was before. But that's just my theory.

I agree with you that she was hardened by Shepard's loss. I would like to believe that she tried to keep Shepard's memory alive by continuing to do what Shepard would have done and so carry his memory on. I believe that this is why Bioware writers portrayed her character as upset when she found out Shepard was alive and working for Cerberus. She would've felt betrayed. I'm hoping that Bioware do the LI stories justice and offer closure in ME3, especially for those that stayed true to their first LIs.

[V-rex]

JMKnave wrote...

V-rex wrote...

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

JMKnave wrote...

I would be very surprised if Bioware actually wrote in a romance for the movie. It would be quite an undertaking to add in a romance subplot along with the whole main reapers plot. And I'm not sure if they would have time to deal with something like this in a 1.5 to 2 hr movie.

Depends how you define a romance subplot, if you know what I mean.

Knowing Hollywood that would usually translate to a gratuitous sex scene, still if the actress looked perfectly like Ash then maybe I wouldn't complain about that too much....

Anyway I feel things are getting a wee bit off topic here so I'll try once again to invoke more Ash related conversation. Namely:

How much do you reckon Ashley's personality may have changed since Mass Effect 1? After all in her email to Shepard she noted that she had changed a little bit from who she was from before and I wonder in what way.

Personally I like to think that if she was influenced right, that she's gotten over her slight grudge towards aliens and that maybe she's become even more tough and more determined as a military leader than she was before. But that's just my theory.

I agree with you that she was hardened by Shepard's loss. I would like to believe that she tried to keep Shepard's memory alive by continuing to do what Shepard would have done and so carry his memory on. I believe that this is why Bioware writers portrayed her character as upset when she found out Shepard was alive and working for Cerberus. She would've felt betrayed. I'm hoping that Bioware do the LI stories justice and offer closure in ME3, especially for those that stayed true to their first LIs.

Me too, I personally hope that there is a good strong bit of closure for the romance, like something that gives it a good happy and definitive end. I also hope that we actually see Shepard and Ashley (or whoever) slowly rebuild their relationship rather than just have it instantly be 'okay' again.
So yeah, I hope to have a happy ending and real emotional character development on both parts. Seems only fair really.

[Kommissar]

considering how much of an alien hater she is/was i'm surprised she wasn't more enthused that shepard is working for cerberus in ME2

[SilverRose208]

Kommissar wrote...

considering how much of an alien hater she is/was i'm surprised she wasn't more enthused that shepard is working for cerberus in ME2

You're not going to get much constructive commentary from us by phrasing your statement like that, but since I don't think you've trolled here before, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

She doesn't "hate" aliens - in ME1, her stance is more that she's wary of them.  See how she reacts to the Terra Firma party.  Also, she's seen the horrible stuff that Cerberus has done all through ME1: Kahoku and his men, experimenting on husks and rachni, etc.  She isn't the OOC one in this instance, IMO; Shep is.... at least, my Shep is. 

[Lord Zeuss]

Kommissar wrote...

considering how much of an alien hater she is/was i'm surprised she wasn't more enthused that shepard is working for cerberus in ME2

:ph34r:That's a fine line you're walking right there.

Considering how much human experimentation Cerberus does, I am not at all surprised by Ashley's reaction, "alien hater" allegations aside.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

SilverRose208 wrote...

Kommissar wrote...

considering how much of an alien hater she is/was i'm surprised she wasn't more enthused that shepard is working for cerberus in ME2

You're not going to get much constructive commentary from us by phrasing your statement like that, but since I don't think you've trolled here before, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

She doesn't "hate" aliens - in ME1, her stance is more that she's wary of them.  See how she reacts to the Terra Firma party.  Also, she's seen the horrible stuff that Cerberus has done all through ME1: Kahoku and his men, experimenting on husks and rachni, etc.  She isn't the OOC one in this instance, IMO; Shep is.... at least, my Shep is. 

Humans first, as Ashley and *gasp* TIM is, does not mean that one hates aliens. Putting your own groups interests ahead of others is how politics work. The Turians aren't going to view humans as equals, and that is fine. I would not expect that of them. Each group of people needs to take care of their own. The cries of "racism" I often see are borderline ignorant.

P.S. Bump for my girl. This thread needs more posts imo.

[Errol Dnamyx]

First you´re chewing Shepard out for working for cerberus and now you have become an operative yourself? Madness I say!

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

First you´re chewing Shepard out for working for cerberus and now you have become an operative yourself? Madness I say!

I came to my senses. Just that rush of emotion for seeing him for the first time since the crash, and finding out the Cerberus rumors were true. It was just a lot to take in and I broke down a little.

[Errol Dnamyx]

Hmm, well Cerberus sure needed some competent operatives, good move of them to hire you. I´ll need some time to think about this new development.

Modifié par Errol Dnamyx, 01 juillet 2010 - 07:42 .

[V-rex]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

SilverRose208 wrote...

Kommissar wrote...

considering how much of an alien hater she is/was i'm surprised she wasn't more enthused that shepard is working for cerberus in ME2

You're not going to get much constructive commentary from us by phrasing your statement like that, but since I don't think you've trolled here before, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

She doesn't "hate" aliens - in ME1, her stance is more that she's wary of them.  See how she reacts to the Terra Firma party.  Also, she's seen the horrible stuff that Cerberus has done all through ME1: Kahoku and his men, experimenting on husks and rachni, etc.  She isn't the OOC one in this instance, IMO; Shep is.... at least, my Shep is. 

Humans first, as Ashley and *gasp* TIM is, does not mean that one hates aliens. Putting your own groups interests ahead of others is how politics work. The Turians aren't going to view humans as equals, and that is fine. I would not expect that of them. Each group of people needs to take care of their own. The cries of "racism" I often see are borderline ignorant.

P.S. Bump for my girl. This thread needs more posts imo.

We appreciate the bump, and seeing a new face on this thread.:happy:

[SilverRose208]

V-rex wrote...

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

SilverRose208 wrote...

Kommissar wrote...

considering how much of an alien hater she is/was i'm surprised she wasn't more enthused that shepard is working for cerberus in ME2

You're not going to get much constructive commentary from us by phrasing your statement like that, but since I don't think you've trolled here before, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

She doesn't "hate" aliens - in ME1, her stance is more that she's wary of them.  See how she reacts to the Terra Firma party.  Also, she's seen the horrible stuff that Cerberus has done all through ME1: Kahoku and his men, experimenting on husks and rachni, etc.  She isn't the OOC one in this instance, IMO; Shep is.... at least, my Shep is. 

Humans first, as Ashley and *gasp* TIM is, does not mean that one hates aliens. Putting your own groups interests ahead of others is how politics work. The Turians aren't going to view humans as equals, and that is fine. I would not expect that of them. Each group of people needs to take care of their own. The cries of "racism" I often see are borderline ignorant.

P.S. Bump for my girl. This thread needs more posts imo.

We appreciate the bump, and seeing a new face on this thread.:happy:

Good work, V-rex

Yes, thanks for stating your opinion, Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams  *small glare*

At the end of the day, for the reasons I posted earlier and which have been quoted several times since, Ash is not a racist - nor is anything that she says close to being "racist" in nature. 

But, I'd also disagree with you, "Ms. Williams"; I also don't think that Ash is strictly "humans first" - she can come to appreciate as necessary allies if you paragon her, and she also seems to get along with Wrex, Tali, and Garrus just fine.  Her elevator banter with Wrex, in particular, shows signs of a growing friendship.  While she may not "be a fan of aliens," I certainly wouldn't classify her as a human supremacist.

Modifié par SilverRose208, 02 juillet 2010 - 02:55 .

[V-rex]

Kommissar wrote...

considering how much of an alien hater she is/was i'm surprised she wasn't more enthused that shepard is working for cerberus in ME2

Ashley's distrust for aliens is in no way hate, she still happily volunteers to help the Salarians on Virmire and she thinks Terra Firma are xenophobic jackals. She isn't an alien hater, she just has trust issues towards aliens and is wary of them given humanities and their history.
Plus, these trust issues can be overcome if you pursue the right dialouge with her, leading her to ending up almost one hundred percent trusting of the Citadel council.

Cerbers meanwhile has a long history of extremist activity against aliens, including terrorist attacks against alien populations and highly amoral experiments launched against other humans. So much of their history is shady and untrustworthy so it doesn't look good to see Shepard who had once been fighting AGAINST Cerberus to now be working for them, especially after two years of believing he was gone for good.

Besides, even if you subtract all the terrorist attacks, xenophobia, amoral experiments and shady business deals as it stands Cerberus and the Alliance are arch enemies of each other. So naturally Ashley, who has been sworn by blood to be allied with the Alliance, to see Shepard working for Cerberus would be quite a shock to the system.

I apologise if I came across as rude at all in this post, not my intention. Just wanted to call it like I see's it.

[Nightodie]

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[Kacynski]

Hi everybody,

I have to sneak back in here

Quite interesting discussion about Ash's character change within the two years between ME1 and ME2. I do agree she seems to have matured in these two years, she doesn't act girlish at all on Horizon, and her e-mail shows that as well.
I'm quite sure, she didn't loose her soft side, the e-mail was written very well and fully convinced my Shep she still has a lot of feelings for him, and she will be open to discuss the Cerberus matters later on. I do hope she also still got her funny side, but now she is able to hold it back in more serious situations. Actually I think it was quite nice mockery of hers when she introduced Shepard to Delan at Horizon, claiming he is standing beside "a living god".

I have nothing to add to the "Ash hates Aliens" lines - Silver Rose and V'rex pointed out everything that is to point out on that matter. Anyway, I still don't get it, why for goods sake Shepard stands so clearly on Cerberus side on Horizon? He has no problem to tell Tali and Garrus, that he is not working for Cerberus and expects any kind of trouble from them ... why he doesn't tell Ash? Makes me wonder now, if this is a weak spot of Shepard ... he can't be anything else, than a strong man in front of his love. You know, this "trust me, I allways know what I'm doing" - stuff. Geez, he should really get over this attitude in ME3, it makes him look like a jerk, and I wonder if Ash shouldn't get something better

Related to this, I cannot imagine Ash was dating someone else on those two years. She does not seem to be a person, that needs a man to feel right or happy, she's just fine with herself. I even do not think she is or was at any time activly looking for a relationship with someone, not even before she met Shepard. When she meets him, all their relations just .. happen .. or evolve and I give great kudos to the writers, as pointed out above it really feels very natural the way it plays out. On that basis, I think if Shepard would have really died, Ash would have given a new relation a chance, but only if it would have happened in similar way, slowly and smoothly, like it was with Shepard. I do not see her dating someone ... you know, like "lets go out for dinner and see if we find enough topics to talk about for three hours ...". I think a date with Ash is quite difficult to get, and she would only date someone she allready has strong feelings for. She would have a blast of a time with group of friends to go out, though I think.

[SilverRose208]

Nightodie wrote...

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[SilverRose208]

@Kacy - So glad you snuck back in here - and with one of your patented thoughtful, awesome, walls of text - no less!



I absolutely agree re: Ash dating somebody. If it were to happen at all, I do not think that it would be even remotely serious, given the depth of emotion that she obviously still feels towards Shep. I can see a situation where her sisters, trying to be helpful, might try to set her up with someone or go on a double-date or something, but I don't think that getting a "boyfriend" is something that she'd do of her own volition at all.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

SilverRose208 wrote...

@Kacy - So glad you snuck back in here - and with one of your patented thoughtful, awesome, walls of text - no less!

I absolutely agree re: Ash dating somebody. If it were to happen at all, I do not think that it would be even remotely serious, given the depth of emotion that she obviously still feels towards Shep. I can see a situation where her sisters, trying to be helpful, might try to set her up with someone or go on a double-date or something, but I don't think that getting a "boyfriend" is something that she'd do of her own volition at all.

I don't think any guy would go anywhere near Ashley knowing that Shepard is alive. He would know my Shepard has a Renegade interrupt or two waiting for the Shepard/Ash's new bf confrontation. Remember that Blue Suns guy by the window on Thane's recruitment mission? Yeah it'd probably be something like that...

[SilverRose208]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

SilverRose208 wrote...

@Kacy - So glad you snuck back in here - and with one of your patented thoughtful, awesome, walls of text - no less!

I absolutely agree re: Ash dating somebody. If it were to happen at all, I do not think that it would be even remotely serious, given the depth of emotion that she obviously still feels towards Shep. I can see a situation where her sisters, trying to be helpful, might try to set her up with someone or go on a double-date or something, but I don't think that getting a "boyfriend" is something that she'd do of her own volition at all.

I don't think any guy would go anywhere near Ashley knowing that Shepard is alive. He would know my Shepard has a Renegade interrupt or two waiting for the Shepard/Ash's new bf confrontation. Remember that Blue Suns guy by the window on Thane's recruitment mission? Yeah it'd probably be something like that...

This I do not doubt one bit; however, I think we were discussing if Ash had entered into any relationships during that whole two-year "Shepard's dead" thing.  Under no threat of death or dismemberment, I'm sure plenty of guys would want to get to know the operations of a certain Chief. 

[VutaatVerd]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

SilverRose208 wrote...

@Kacy - So glad you snuck back in here - and with one of your patented thoughtful, awesome, walls of text - no less!

I absolutely agree re: Ash dating somebody. If it were to happen at all, I do not think that it would be even remotely serious, given the depth of emotion that she obviously still feels towards Shep. I can see a situation where her sisters, trying to be helpful, might try to set her up with someone or go on a double-date or something, but I don't think that getting a "boyfriend" is something that she'd do of her own volition at all.

I don't think any guy would go anywhere near Ashley knowing that Shepard is alive. He would know my Shepard has a Renegade interrupt or two waiting for the Shepard/Ash's new bf confrontation. Remember that Blue Suns guy by the window on Thane's recruitment mission? Yeah it'd probably be something like that...

Now that would be funny to seen, loved seening that Eclipse Merc getting pushed out the window. I would how Ashlye would take seeing Shepard doing that to her new BF.

[V-rex]

VutaatVerd wrote...

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

SilverRose208 wrote...

@Kacy - So glad you snuck back in here - and with one of your patented thoughtful, awesome, walls of text - no less!

I absolutely agree re: Ash dating somebody. If it were to happen at all, I do not think that it would be even remotely serious, given the depth of emotion that she obviously still feels towards Shep. I can see a situation where her sisters, trying to be helpful, might try to set her up with someone or go on a double-date or something, but I don't think that getting a "boyfriend" is something that she'd do of her own volition at all.

I don't think any guy would go anywhere near Ashley knowing that Shepard is alive. He would know my Shepard has a Renegade interrupt or two waiting for the Shepard/Ash's new bf confrontation. Remember that Blue Suns guy by the window on Thane's recruitment mission? Yeah it'd probably be something like that...

Now that would be funny to seen, loved seening that Eclipse Merc getting pushed out the window. I would how Ashlye would take seeing Shepard doing that to her new BF.

I think she'd be somewhat miffed. But she shouldn't be because she knows she's MINE, ALL MINE... I uhhh mean all Shepard's. Yes, that's right she's Shepards girl so hands off..



That said, I still doubt she'd have ever moved on, or at least not within the time frame of two years. She seems like the sort who might have it easy with casual relationships but has difficulty with real commited 'I love you' sort of relationships which might explain why she was a little awkward with the romance with Shepard as it is not an emotion she is all that familiar with.
So you know, after finally coming to terms with the fact that she has found someone she can say she loves and having him die, I couldn't honestly see her moving on or at least not in a serious commited way, for a very long time.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

VutaatVerd wrote...

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

SilverRose208 wrote...

@Kacy - So glad you snuck back in here - and with one of your patented thoughtful, awesome, walls of text - no less!

I absolutely agree re: Ash dating somebody. If it were to happen at all, I do not think that it would be even remotely serious, given the depth of emotion that she obviously still feels towards Shep. I can see a situation where her sisters, trying to be helpful, might try to set her up with someone or go on a double-date or something, but I don't think that getting a "boyfriend" is something that she'd do of her own volition at all.

I don't think any guy would go anywhere near Ashley knowing that Shepard is alive. He would know my Shepard has a Renegade interrupt or two waiting for the Shepard/Ash's new bf confrontation. Remember that Blue Suns guy by the window on Thane's recruitment mission? Yeah it'd probably be something like that...

Now that would be funny to seen, loved seening that Eclipse Merc getting pushed out the window. I would how Ashlye would take seeing Shepard doing that to her new BF.

I think it'd get her hot.

[FireEye]

Popping over from the Kaidan thread, for symmetry.  In case you all don't have these yet:





Carry on.