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[SilverRose208]

Thanks, Night! And be sure to say 'hi' from us to all of our friends over in the gutter ... erhm, Kaidan thread. LOL.

[Giggles_Manically]

Okay to clear stuff up Ash is a well done charachter with more depth than 90% of the rest of the ME1 cast. Only Wrex, Kaidan, and Garrus get as much development really. I like her well enough but my posts come off as being strongly worded, mainly from way to much political/social studies papers.



She just dosent top my fav. list which sadly is Anderson, Wrex, Tali, Grunt, Mordin, and Joker.

I apologize for being a bit harsh but Horizon really hurt my Shep since I RP really deeply.



About that line I saw it on a youtube link, where ash says she agrees with what cerberus says (human centric strength) give me a minute to look through my history.

[Giggles_Manically]

I think Bioware will add specific dialouge for each loyal/cheater situation since it exists in DA.

[WilliamShatner]

pprrff wrote...

SilverRose208 wrote...

@PMA - I completely agree with you regarding your thoughts on the Tali relationship - and reading your post has made me wonder some about how things come across from Tali's perspective. I find it to be odd that in the romance dialogue with her there's no mention of the relationship with the ME1 LI (be it Ash or Liara). Presumably, Tali knew what was going on and was friends with both - I think it's a pretty huge oversight that she wouldn't want to confirm that things were over and that Shep had moved on before beginning something with him; or, in some "off camera" moment, it might have made sense for her to maybe reach out to either Ash or Liara themselves. If Ash wasn't over Shepard and Tali found out, I feel like she's the kind of person who would want him to know and would want him to make an informed choice as opposed to some sort of fling in the moment. The whole ME1 LI - Tali - Shepard dynamic leaves me kind of puzzled when you consider it from a character perspective.

Which leads me to think that maybe the Tali/Ash/Liara aren't particular good friends, the only common thread between them is Shepard, otherwise they just kinda do their own thing. This explains why everyone just drifted apart after shepard dies, and why Liara went after the body by herself. So in that sense, if Shepard does cheat with Tali, I don't Ash would be more hurt than otherwise.

I think you guys are giving BioWare way too much credit to think they actually planned these romances and inter-companion relationships out.

[WilliamShatner]

V-rex wrote...

Also her saying she agreed with Cerberus on Horizon was sad.

I'm sorry but, what? She said very clearly that she hated Cerberus. She flat out says that while she might not be a fan of aliens she would still never join an extremist group like Cerberus. Her stance was always that humanity shouldn't turn down allies from alien forces but that they shouldn't bet everything on them staying as allies. Cerberus meanwhile seems more built around the idea that humans deserve dominance and need to 'show humanities strength'. She most certainly does not agree with Cerberus, whether you change her trust issues or not.

It's another example of BioWare's laziness - just like Tali and Garrus - at the end of Mass Effect pargon Ashley was proud to be fighting with aliens, now now matter how you played it she's "not a fan".

[V-rex]

WilliamShatner wrote...

V-rex wrote...

Also her saying she agreed with Cerberus on Horizon was sad.

I'm sorry but, what? She said very clearly that she hated Cerberus. She flat out says that while she might not be a fan of aliens she would still never join an extremist group like Cerberus. Her stance was always that humanity shouldn't turn down allies from alien forces but that they shouldn't bet everything on them staying as allies. Cerberus meanwhile seems more built around the idea that humans deserve dominance and need to 'show humanities strength'. She most certainly does not agree with Cerberus, whether you change her trust issues or not.

It's another example of BioWare's laziness - just like Tali and Garrus - at the end of Mass Effect pargon Ashley was proud to be fighting with aliens, now now matter how you played it she's "not a fan".

I know, still I admit for the majority of my playthroughs I never even knew that you could change her worldview and fix up those trust issues she has. However, hopefully they will have cleared up, or over the course of the story they will clear up, in Mass Effect 3.

I like the idea of Ashley going through a character arc.

[Errol Dnamyx]

After thinking about it some time I came to the conclusion that I wouldn´t mind if it became unpossible for Shepard to get back together with Ash if he romanced anyone else (except for Kelly, she´s a stripper and therefore doesn´t count appareantly).

You probably don´t want to know, but here´s why:

Just compare them:

Ash: Shepard dies two years ago, but she didn´t really move on. Maybe because there always was a small glimmer of hope for her since his body was not found after all or because she didn´t want to experience the joy a new relationship could bring just to lose it again. She is in a dangerous kind of job after all.

And now for Shepard: He knows Ash is alive and did not move on. Ash even gives him some hope for a sweet reunion in her mail. So he does not have to go on for years secretly hoping to see her again and he even knows that they could very possibly have a future if he only wanted it. And what does he do? In the matter of a few weeks he forgets about her and gets it on with one of 3 crazies without ever mentioning her or having second thoughts. What does that say about him... yeah he´s an ass, why would Ash want to be together with him?

Cheating Shepard can go home, no one wants him here. Faithful Shepard is ´aight and deserves to be with Chief Williams.

[V-rex]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

After thinking about it some time I came to the conclusion that I wouldn´t mind if it became unpossible for Shepard to get back together with Ash if he romanced anyone else (except for Kelly, she´s a stripper and therefore doesn´t count appareantly).
You probably don´t want to know, but here´s why:
Just compare them:
Ash: Shepard dies two years ago, but she didn´t really move on. Maybe because there always was a small glimmer of hope for her since his body was not found after all or because she didn´t want to experience the joy a new relationship could bring just to lose it again. She is in a dangerous kind of job after all.
And now for Shepard: He knows Ash is alive and did not move on. Ash even gives him some hope for a sweet reunion in her mail. So he does not have to go on for years secretly hoping to see her again and he even knows that they could very possibly have a future if he only wanted it. And what does he do? In the matter of a few weeks he forgets about her and gets it on with one of 3 crazies without ever mentioning her or having second thoughts. What does that say about him... yeah he´s an ass, why would Ash want to be together with him?
Cheating Shepard can go home, no one wants him here. Faithful Shepard is ´aight and deserves to be with Chief Williams.

Yeah, I have to agree with this. If Ashley didn't move on even after two years of thinking she would never see Shepard again then I see no way that Shepard has the right to move on after only a few weeks especially knowing that she grieved for him and loved him and is possibly hoping for a future.

Fortunatley, my idea of Shepard isn't the kind of whiny spoilt brat who writes off a human being having a terrible emotional blow upon seeing him come back after two years as a '****' who then goes off and sleeps with someone else. He's much more reasonable and commited to people who he cares about.

At the risk of sounding hostile, I hope the people who cheated lose not only Ashley but whoever else they picked.

[Errol Dnamyx]

V-rex wrote...



At the risk of sounding hostile, I hope the people who cheated lose not only Ashley but whoever else they picked.

And the Reapers should win in the end. That would serve them right.

[Dominus5412]

AND their computers should spontaneously melt!

[V-rex]

Dominus5412 wrote...

AND their computers should spontaneously melt!

They should also contract the ebola virus.

I don't know how exactly, but they should.

[Errol Dnamyx]

Now you´re pushing it.

[V-rex]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Now you´re pushing it.

Yeah, I had a feeling I kinda was.

Let it be known to all that V-rex does not in anyway approve of unleashing the Ebola virus on people... mostly.

So hey, to move back onto a topic that we had before how do you reckon Ashley and Shepard should meet under the following circumstances?

1. If he stayed loyal
2. If he did cheat

The former one of the two I thought would be on the Citadel or at least involving the Citadel in one way or another, possibly ending with them both going to Shepard's cabin on the new Normandy and her seeing her picture prominantly sitting on the desk.

The latter I figured would be a bit of angry recognition, possibly as both love interests rather unpleasantly meet for the first time and a huge fight breaks out. Alternativley Ashley could just shrug it off and leave, hiding her emotions to herself.

So yeah, what'cha think, how would you imagine (personally of course) that these scenes would go and what would be the ultimate outcome?

[Lord Zeuss]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

After thinking about it some time I came to the conclusion that I wouldn´t mind if it became unpossible for Shepard to get back together with Ash if he romanced anyone else (except for Kelly, she´s a stripper and therefore doesn´t count appareantly).
You probably don´t want to know, but here´s why:
Just compare them:
Ash: Shepard dies two years ago, but she didn´t really move on. Maybe because there always was a small glimmer of hope for her since his body was not found after all or because she didn´t want to experience the joy a new relationship could bring just to lose it again. She is in a dangerous kind of job after all.
And now for Shepard: He knows Ash is alive and did not move on. Ash even gives him some hope for a sweet reunion in her mail. So he does not have to go on for years secretly hoping to see her again and he even knows that they could very possibly have a future if he only wanted it. And what does he do? In the matter of a few weeks he forgets about her and gets it on with one of 3 crazies without ever mentioning her or having second thoughts. What does that say about him... yeah he´s an ass, why would Ash want to be together with him?
Cheating Shepard can go home, no one wants him here. Faithful Shepard is ´aight and deserves to be with Chief Williams.

I agree with the letter and the spirit of this post. Unfortunately, since this is Bioware and an RPG, I don't think there is any way unfaithful Shepards won't be able to get Ashley back.<_<

But by golly, you'd BETTER NOT be able to keep BOTH love interests!

[Funkcase]

V-rex wrote...

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Now you´re pushing it.

Yeah, I had a feeling I kinda was.

Let it be known to all that V-rex does not in anyway approve of unleashing the Ebola virus on people... mostly.

So hey, to move back onto a topic that we had before how do you reckon Ashley and Shepard should meet under the following circumstances?

1. If he stayed loyal
2. If he did cheat

The former one of the two I thought would be on the Citadel or at least involving the Citadel in one way or another, possibly ending with them both going to Shepard's cabin on the new Normandy and her seeing her picture prominantly sitting on the desk.

The latter I figured would be a bit of angry recognition, possibly as both love interests rather unpleasantly meet for the first time and a huge fight breaks out. Alternativley Ashley could just shrug it off and leave, hiding her emotions to herself.

So yeah, what'cha think, how would you imagine (personally of course) that these scenes would go and what would be the ultimate outcome?
 

I love that idea, i read it in Silver fanfic where Ash spots her picture on Shepards desk and Shepard tells her how much the women in that pic means to him (like it aint Ash standing there with him lol) I realy wish something like that comes up.

If Shepard ceated....ummm im not sure, she could end up on a mission and meeting with Shepard and notice a kiss from his new LI. That would start a fire, but Ash may hold it in for the mission, and when alone with Shepard a nice uppercut knocking Shepard on his ass, and walking out. lol.

[Lord Zeuss]

V-rex wrote...

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Now you´re pushing it.

Yeah, I had a feeling I kinda was.

Let it be known to all that V-rex does not in anyway approve of unleashing the Ebola virus on people... mostly.

So hey, to move back onto a topic that we had before how do you reckon Ashley and Shepard should meet under the following circumstances?

1. If he stayed loyal
2. If he did cheat

The former one of the two I thought would be on the Citadel or at least involving the Citadel in one way or another, possibly ending with them both going to Shepard's cabin on the new Normandy and her seeing her picture prominantly sitting on the desk.

The latter I figured would be a bit of angry recognition, possibly as both love interests rather unpleasantly meet for the first time and a huge fight breaks out. Alternativley Ashley could just shrug it off and leave, hiding her emotions to herself.

So yeah, what'cha think, how would you imagine (personally of course) that these scenes would go and what would be the ultimate outcome?

Ah, I disagree. Except in the possible case of Tali, I don't think Ashley would necessarily get into a cat fight with the other love interest. Shepard's the one whose fault it is, and Shepard is the one she'd be angry at, so unless the other love interest unwisely put her nose into Ashley's business, Ashley wouldn't have much if anything to say to them. (I don't expect anything of the sort to be incorporated into the game, but if Shepard and Tali were the guilty parties, Ashley might address them both instead of just Shepard, because she already knows Tali.)

[Lord Zeuss]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...
But by golly, you'd BETTER NOT be able to keep BOTH love interests!

With the way things are headed I wouldn't be surprised....

I am sorely tempted to post my Lurk picture right now, but in a good way. Imagine you can see my greeting from the off-topic thread!

[Funkcase]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...
But by golly, you'd BETTER NOT be able to keep BOTH love interests!

With the way things are headed I wouldn't be surprised....

Ow god, i can see Bioware declaring Ash as a Mormon lol.

[Lord Zeuss]

Funkcase wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...
But by golly, you'd BETTER NOT be able to keep BOTH love interests!

With the way things are headed I wouldn't be surprised....

Ow god, i can see Bioware declaring Ash as a Mormon lol.

Wait, I forgot this isn't Dragon Age.

[Lord Zeuss]

Funkcase wrote...

I love that idea, i read it in Silver fanfic where Ash spots her picture on Shepards desk and Shepard tells her how much the woman in that pic means to him (like it aint Ash standing there with him lol) I realy wish something like that comes up.

If Shepard cheated....ummm im not sure, she could end up on a mission and meeting with Shepard and notice a kiss from his new LI. That would start a fire, but Ash may hold it in for the mission, and when alone with Shepard a nice uppercut knocking Shepard on his ass, and walking out. lol.

LZ approves of picture-noticing! In fact, I think Ashley seeing her picture standing proudly on Shepard's desk through everything that happened between them would be a much better way for her to realize that Shepard has been faithful all along than for Shepard to simply say he has been. (You can even turn it around and apply this to an unfaithful Shepard at the other end.) Mind what people do, rather than what they say. To borrow from Psychology 101, the silent act of having a picture of someone on your desk can be seen as a silent statement directly from the heart (okay, it's right-brain, or something like that, but I'm paraphrasing, ya heathens!). Granted this would have to be some situation in which she could conclude that her picture had always been there and he didn't just put it there for her benefit.

The picture on the desk is very significant, and I think Ash would immediately recognize it's significance.

[V-rex]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

I love that idea, i read it in Silver fanfic where Ash spots her picture on Shepards desk and Shepard tells her how much the woman in that pic means to him (like it aint Ash standing there with him lol) I realy wish something like that comes up.

If Shepard cheated....ummm im not sure, she could end up on a mission and meeting with Shepard and notice a kiss from his new LI. That would start a fire, but Ash may hold it in for the mission, and when alone with Shepard a nice uppercut knocking Shepard on his ass, and walking out. lol.

LZ approves of picture-noticing! In fact, I think Ashley seeing her picture standing proudly on Shepard's desk through everything that happened between them would be a much better way for her to realize that Shepard has been faithful all along than for Shepard to simply say he has been. (You can even turn it around and apply this to an unfaithful Shepard at the other end.) Mind what people do, rather than what they say. To borrow from Psychology 101, the silent act of having a picture of someone on your desk can be seen as a silent statement directly from the heart (okay, it's right-brain, or something like that, but I'm paraphrasing, ya heathens!). Granted this would have to be some situation in which she could conclude that her picture had always been there and he didn't just put it there for her benefit.

The picture on the desk is very significant, and I think Ash would immediately recognize it's significance.

Yeah, I agree. She'd probably be deeply moved at least that Shepard would hold onto a picture of her despite everything that has happened.

[Giggles_Manically]

I thought Ash just laughed at typically romantic gestures? So I could see some teasing of poor shep going on for it as well. I really hope cheating isint catastrophic to the game though, likewise if it gets reduced to an email then Bioware will lose a lot of respect from me.

[Giggles_Manically]

I thought Ash just laughed at typically romantic gestures? So I could see some teasing of poor shep going on for it as well. I really hope cheating isint catastrophic to the game though, likewise if it gets reduced to an email then Bioware will lose a lot of respect from me.