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[Grace1957]

I'm on my third play and  I want to keep Loghain alive this time only because I never did before but the thought is turning my stomach.Silly I know,it"s just a game but......


Thoughts.....

[sylvanaerie]

Hanz54321 wrote...

You asked for thoughts so:

I played my "main" character as a "redeemer". I let Sten redeem himself. I let Lelianna make peace with her past life. I let Zevran redeem himself.

So I did with Loghain. And honestly, if you choose the right conversation options, the guy really does see the error of his ways - especially if you do not do the Dark Ritual and then take him with you to fight the Arch-Demon.

It's worth doing and you won't feel bad. If you don't want screw Alistair then harden him, get him to agree to marry Anora before the Landsmeet, then when you redeem Loghain let Alistair have a hissy fit but insist he marry Anora. Everybody will be happy in the end.

except for Alistair lol

[maxernst]

Hanz54321 wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Hanz54321 wrote...

You asked for thoughts so:

I played my "main" character as a "redeemer". I let Sten redeem himself. I let Lelianna make peace with her past life. I let Zevran redeem himself.

So I did with Loghain. And honestly, if you choose the right conversation options, the guy really does see the error of his ways - especially if you do not do the Dark Ritual and then take him with you to fight the Arch-Demon.

It's worth doing and you won't feel bad. If you don't want screw Alistair then harden him, get him to agree to marry Anora before the Landsmeet, then when you redeem Loghain let Alistair have a hissy fit but insist he marry Anora. Everybody will be happy in the end.

except for Alistair lol

No - I talked to him at the coronation and he was happy with how everything turned out.  In the epilogue he and Anora made a good pair.  I know you and I have agreed on Loghain being a d-bag in the past, but the choices I made led to the happiest ending I've seen for all involved.

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Really?  I seem to remember seeing a youtube of him telling the PC at the coronation something to the effect that his bride would remind him of Loghain every time he looked at her.  He didn't seem too happy about it.

He seemed a lot happier in my ending where I killed Loghain, made Anora Queen and did the Dark Ritual and we stayed in love.  Anora's not as happy with that ending, I'll grant you, but I think she likes having the throne to herself.

[sylvanaerie]

Hanz54321 wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Hanz54321 wrote...

You asked for thoughts so:

I played my "main" character as a "redeemer". I let Sten redeem himself. I let Lelianna make peace with her past life. I let Zevran redeem himself.

So I did with Loghain. And honestly, if you choose the right conversation options, the guy really does see the error of his ways - especially if you do not do the Dark Ritual and then take him with you to fight the Arch-Demon.

It's worth doing and you won't feel bad. If you don't want screw Alistair then harden him, get him to agree to marry Anora before the Landsmeet, then when you redeem Loghain let Alistair have a hissy fit but insist he marry Anora. Everybody will be happy in the end.

except for Alistair lol

No - I talked to him at the coronation and he was happy with how everything turned out.  In the epilogue he and Anora made a good pair.  I know you and I have agreed on Loghain being a d-bag in the past, but the choices I made led to the happiest ending I've seen for all involved.

Except for Morrigan . . . because she got no Dark Ritual and left me.  But even then, it was just a bittersweet goodbye kind of deal.  I wished I had the option to explain to her calmly that I wasn't about to father an abomination instead of exclaiming it in horror.

He isn't really happy.  He accepts it because he has no choice at this point. 

For Morrigan, ya it ends sad if you refuse, but if you ask her not to go, she looks almost in tears instead of angry, like she REALLY wanted to save your life.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 26 mai 2010 - 12:44 .

[sylvanaerie]

Hanz54321 wrote...

"Who is dis un-happy Alistair mahn, Teagaaahn?"

LOL

[spell trigger]

There are many reasons to keep him alive, but my characters usually agree with Sten - i.e. they prefer not to waste any resources (especially after Riordan's words during Landsmeet):

Sten: I didn't think it was a human practice, making a comrade of a defeated foe.
Loghain: It isn't. These are... unusual circumstances.
Sten: It is... encouraging to see.
Loghain: Encouraging? How so?
Sten: Perhaps your people are becoming more like qunari. You could do worse.
Loghain: Do you mean to say that qunari do make comrades of their beaten opponent?
Sten: Qunari do not waste resources. And few are more valuable than lives.
Loghain: How exactly do you go about making your enemies work for you?
Sten: We're a persuasive people, if you couldn't tell.

[Emerald Melios]

Hanz54321 wrote...
Except for Morrigan . . . because she got no Dark Ritual and left me.  But even then, it was just a bittersweet goodbye kind of deal.  I wished I had the option to explain to her calmly that I wasn't about to father an abomination instead of exclaiming it in horror.

I usually just make Alistair donate his sperm.

[Costin_Razvan]

I could hardly give a **** about Alistair.

Killing someone, or sacrificing them? Fine enough. Asking them to sacrifice their soul? Way beyond even my wildest dreams in any form of revenge I would take against someone.

An supposed ( it's all speculation ) abomination versus the cost of two souls ( Loghain and Archdemon )...yeah I think I will stick with DR.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 26 mai 2010 - 08:26 .

[DarthCaine]

Harden Alistair, make him marry Anora, spare Loghain, refuse Morrigan's offer and make Loghain kill the archdemon. Best ending, everybody wins

[nos_astra]

DarthCaine wrote...
Harden Alistair, make him marry Anora, spare Loghain, refuse Morrigan's offer and make Loghain kill the archdemon. Best ending, everybody wins

Except Alistair, who is still losing his freedom and married to a woman he doesn't even like. A life he's accepting to spite you and her.

[sonsonthebia07]

My warden takes anyone and everyone regardless of their actions into the ranks of the wardens if they are capable when given the opportunity. I find it idiotic to be wary of people that are willing to (or are even basically forced to in Loghain's case) fight at your side against something that threatens your entire nation. Loghain is a great man and a great general that made a horrible mistake, although he did it with what were good intentions in his mind. I almost always spare his life, and I almost always keep Anora as queen.



I also like Loghain in the party a lot more than Alistair - a lot less whining there. It's a shame that you get him so late in the game.

[Giggles_Manically]

Alistair is such a dbag in the Landsmeet, my Dwarf Commenor killed, stabbed, and was a crime wave all by himself in Orzammar, yet Alistair has no problem with him?

But to my question can a HNF spare Loghain and still marry Alister, or is that not possible?



DWARVES FOREVER.

[Grace1957]

So if I let Loghain live Al will leave and I shouldn't do the nasty with Morrigan?But if Al leaves he can't do the ritual or does he come back for that?

[nos_astra]

Grace1957 wrote...

So if I let Loghain live Al will leave and I shouldn't do the nasty with Morrigan?But if Al leaves he can't do the ritual or does he come back for that?

If Al leaves Loghain does the ritual if you ask and persuade him.

[nos_astra]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
But to my question can a HNF spare Loghain and still marry Alister, or is that not possible?

Impossible.

[Grace1957]

If Loghain doesn't do the ritual he dies killing the Archdemon or is it up for grabs between him and me?

[Vicious]

It's up for grabs, you and him will have a discussion [provided he's still standing] and you can be the hero and make him spend the rest of his life trying to redeem himself, or let him go out with a bang and kill it himself.



The conversation varies a bit based off of his approval.

[Xandurpein]

Personally I think that what feels best, if you let Loghain live, is to refuse the Dark Ritual and let him kill the Archdemon. Up until the roof of Fort Drakon he is pretty much in denial about what he has done. He can be a real disappointment, if you hope to get some profound regret, while talking to you in camp.

But if you can avoid being too judgemental and get up his approval, he will actually change at the roof of Fort Drakon. Even his voice will change and he will actually acknowledge that he really messed things up and wants to do this right.

With Alistair I always feel like a total jerk if I don't do the Dark Ritual and let him kill the Archdemon, but with Loghain it feels very right to let him kill the Archdemon, and not really in a vindictive manner either.

The only reason I have let Loghain live and then accepted the Dark Ritual is to see his cameo in Awakening.

Modifié par Xandurpein, 27 mai 2010 - 06:07 .

[Grace1957]

OK,I"m at the Landsmeet but I can't get Loghain to do the Joining.Al keeps killing him.What do I need to do,make Anora queen?

[nos_astra]

Grace1957 wrote...

OK,I"m at the Landsmeet but I can't get Loghain to do the Joining.Al keeps killing him.What do I need to do,make Anora queen?

Don't let Alistair duel him, he will always kill him on the spot. You need to win the duel yourself, then Riordan will stride in and offer the Joining.