and yes you need to make Anora queen.klarabella wrote...
Don't let Alistair duel him, he will always kill him on the spot. You need to win the duel yourself, then Riordan will stride in and offer the Joining.Grace1957 wrote...
OK,I"m at the Landsmeet but I can't get Loghain to do the Joining.Al keeps killing him.What do I need to do,make Anora queen?
Keeping Loghain alive...
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Posté 27 mai 2010 - 07:21
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Posté 27 mai 2010 - 07:24
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I did that but when Riordan offers the joining Al has a hissy and then I only get the choice to kill him or let Al do it.I also get the choice of Al or Anora to rule.I don't know what to do.
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Posté 27 mai 2010 - 07:25
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The only way it will work is to make Anora queen?
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Posté 27 mai 2010 - 07:28
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Let Loghain live and make Anora queen?Oh this is really gonna hurt!
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Posté 27 mai 2010 - 07:30
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yes, you have to make Anora queen i fyou are going to let Loghain live.Grace1957 wrote...
Let Loghain live and make Anora queen?Oh this is really gonna hurt!
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Posté 27 mai 2010 - 07:33
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Grace1957 wrote...
Fine.I'll do it but I won't like it!
Shes actually not tht bad as a queen. Her epilogue for the most part is pretty positive.
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Posté 27 mai 2010 - 07:38
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Also Anora turned against me.My first 2 games she was on my side.I don't know what I did different.
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Posté 27 mai 2010 - 07:41
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either you told her you wouldn't support her, told her Loghain must die for his crimes or didn't talk to her at all.
Alistair will leave your group for the rest of that game. You have the optiosn of "Marry him to anora" if he is hardened and they agreed prior, Allow Anora to Exile him, Allow Anora to Execute him.
Any choice you make will result him leaving if you spare Loghain.
Actually I don't think they even hd to agree prior you just have to have hardened him.
Alistair will leave your group for the rest of that game. You have the optiosn of "Marry him to anora" if he is hardened and they agreed prior, Allow Anora to Exile him, Allow Anora to Execute him.
Any choice you make will result him leaving if you spare Loghain.
Actually I don't think they even hd to agree prior you just have to have hardened him.
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Posté 27 mai 2010 - 08:16
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I hardened him and I thought they agreed to marry.Anyway he's gone now and I'm stuck with Loghain.
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Posté 27 mai 2010 - 08:18
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lol well good luck 
I could never keep that bugger alive long enough to get the Redeemer ending so *high fives* good luck with it!
I could never keep that bugger alive long enough to get the Redeemer ending so *high fives* good luck with it!
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Posté 27 mai 2010 - 10:39
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How can anyone allow Loghain to live. He was a traitor. He was evil. He hired an assassin to kill the grey warden...amongst other things..
You don't allow a person who tries to kill you live...or do you?
klarabella...you look just like a young Morrigan
You don't allow a person who tries to kill you live...or do you?
klarabella...you look just like a young Morrigan
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Posté 27 mai 2010 - 10:53
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MistySun wrote...
How can anyone allow Loghain to live. He was a traitor. He was evil. He hired an assassin to kill the grey warden...amongst other things..
You don't allow a person who tries to kill you live...or do you?
You really miss a lot if you don't let Zevran live at least once. He is one of the coolest companions in the game really. Or doesn't he count?
There are a lot of reasons why anyone would like to keep Loghain alive, just as there are many reasons why someone would want to kill him. It should be easy to find some of the many threads regarding this subject where people have listed their reasons for doing either. Calling him evil isn't very helpful either, as I doubt you can find two people who agree of what "evil" is anyway.
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Posté 27 mai 2010 - 11:20
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MistySun wrote...
How can anyone allow Loghain to live. He was a traitor. He was evil. He hired an assassin to kill the grey warden...amongst other things..
You don't allow a person who tries to kill you live...or do you?
klarabella...you look just like a young Morrigan
No better reason than this: Her game, her money she chooses to do that this game and seeks help to figure out how to do it so she comes to the boards where people can help. She doesnt' need any other reason than that.
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Posté 27 mai 2010 - 04:17
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I couldn't have said it better myself.As I said at the beginning,the thought turns my stomach but I wanted to try it this time.What's the point of playing the game the same way every time.
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Posté 27 mai 2010 - 04:38
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Is it possible to keep logain alive and still have Alistair and Anora marry? I try to keep him alive, but I always feel like I'm ruining things by ending the Therin bloodline. ><
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Posté 27 mai 2010 - 04:44
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Is it possible to keep logain alive and still have Alistair and Anora marry? I try to keep him alive, but I always feel like I'm ruining things by ending the Therin bloodline. ><
Yes harden AListair, you duel Loggie and then when Riordan says his "lets make him a GW" thing agree. Make Anora and Alistair rule jointly, (he will be pissed and leave group) and then Loggy gets the Darkspawn cocktail.
If you go this scenario I THINK you have to set it up prior to the Landsmeet but I could be wrong. Once when I wanted them to marry and joint rule I killed Loghain and just off the cuff asked them without setting it up ahead of time. (I didn't want to go back through the Alienage and fight the slavers a second time).
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Posté 27 mai 2010 - 09:30
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For extra credit, you can let Loggy live,, make him do Morrigan, then import that save and playthrough to Awakenings. Teyrn Mac Undead makes a cameo, and is a very different, more relaxed, happy version of himself that's fairly likeable.
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Posté 27 mai 2010 - 09:55
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sylvanaerie wrote...
aaniadyen wrote...
Is it possible to keep logain alive and still have Alistair and Anora marry? I try to keep him alive, but I always feel like I'm ruining things by ending the Therin bloodline. ><
Yes harden AListair, you duel Loggie and then when Riordan says his "lets make him a GW" thing agree. Make Anora and Alistair rule jointly, (he will be pissed and leave group) and then Loggy gets the Darkspawn cocktail.
If you go this scenario I THINK you have to set it up prior to the Landsmeet but I could be wrong. Once when I wanted them to marry and joint rule I killed Loghain and just off the cuff asked them without setting it up ahead of time. (I didn't want to go back through the Alienage and fight the slavers a second time).
>< No wonder it's so hard for me. I never harden Alistair. I never even knew how until I looked it up. Seems rather...silly to me that it is such a small thing for such an important character. =/
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MistySun wrote...
How can anyone allow Loghain to live. He was a traitor. He was evil. He hired an assassin to kill the grey warden...amongst other things..
You don't allow a person who tries to kill you live...or do you?
He's absolutely NOT evil - read the books. It's much more complicated than that...
On the surface, I see many reasons to spare Loghain, the hero. I am not a Loghain fan, I admit.
My PCs whether "evil" or "good" can not betray Alistair nor can they bear the potential risk of a Loghain betrayal; so, he dies every single time.
I also do not find that Loghain has any kind of true remorse through his dialogue if you spare him; so, why bother sparing him and redeming him - it is not a true redemption unless Loghain repents.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 04:56
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jpdipity wrote...
I also do not find that Logahin has any kind of true remorse through his dialogue if you spare him; so, why bother sparing him and redeming him - it is not a true redemption unless Loghain repents.
Loghain: "Please, I've done so much wrong. Allow me to do one thing right", when he asks you to allow him to kill the archdemon.
Loghain is not the kind of person to get on his knees and beg for forgiveness, but he clearly regrets some of what he did. What he did at Ostagar? He probably doesn't regret (especially after he finds out what Cailan was up to). But the rest, you can easily see in the cutscenes that it's taking a heavy toll on him, both physically and psycologically.
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KnightofPhoenix wrote...
jpdipity wrote...
I also do not find that Logahin has any kind of true remorse through his dialogue if you spare him; so, why bother sparing him and redeming him - it is not a true redemption unless Loghain repents.
Loghain: "Please, I've done so much wrong. Allow me to do one thing right", when he asks you to allow him to kill the archdemon.
Loghain is not the kind of person to get on his knees and beg for forgiveness, but he clearly regrets some of what he did. What he did at Ostagar? He probably doesn't regret (especially after he finds out what Cailan was up to). But the rest, you can easily see in the cutscenes that it's taking a heavy toll on him, both physically and psycologically.
Exactly. People get disapointed and think he doesn't show any remorse if you let him live. And it's true that when you talk to him in camp he is still pretty much in denial over what he has done. It's on the roof of Fort Drakon, that you see true remorse from himm, especially if you get his approval up a bit. Even his voice changes.
