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[Lord Coake]

Here humanity is trying to make a good name for itself, work as a co-equal member of galactic society, and get in good with the council, and we put this petulant chimp in as ambassador.

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Udina, go sit down so the adults can speak.  Who let you out of your playroom?

[Onyx Jaguar]

LuckyIronAxe wrote...

Onyx, I'm stealing your picture for OP, I hope that's alright.

Go ahead, I kind of stole it in the first place

[Lord Coake]

LuckyIronAxe wrote...

Lord Coake wrote...

Here humanity is trying to make a good name for itself, work as a co-equal member of galactic society, and get in good with the council, and we put this petulant chimp in as ambassador.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
SEND YOUR FLEET IN

Udina, go sit down so the adults can speak.  Who let you out of your playroom?

If Councilor Udina were here he wouldn't let this whitewash continue! hehehe.

Um, as a mere advisor, Anderson actually has no real authority with the Council.  And who the bloody hell would ever make Udina Councilor? 

I'd nominate Joker before that jackass!

[Nightwriter]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Well lets see

A) You had no evidence against the Reaper threat, only an omni tool that mentions their name

An interesting thing.

Tali is actually the one who first tells us who the Reapers are. Do you remember? It's she who first explains that they are an ancient machine race that vanished 50,000 years ago and laid waste to the galaxy, blah blah blah.

So where did she get this information? I've often wondered. From the geth databanks, apparently - which means we do have more than just the mention of a name to go on. And yet all we are allowed to present to the Council is the recording itself - not the geth's memory banks, which seem to contain considerably more information. This is incredibly frustrating, as they would present more proof.

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

you had crippled Saren's operations by taking out the base

Are you talking about Virmire? Lol. The fact we had to blow it up still haunts you, I see. But remember, that was Kirrahe's idea and Kirrahe's plan.

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

C)  It was the Council's decision, as Ambassador Udina really didn't have much sway, sure it was in his best interests to side with them, but he would have gained nothing for siding with Shepard in that moment because he would be unable to sway them

Actually no, that's not right. It's Udina who grounds the Normandy, if you'll recall. The Council were starting to get upset with Shepard and they cut your investigations, but it's Udina who steps in and grounds the Normandy to win points with the Council.

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

D)  The relay was in the Terminus and could have created tension

The same Terminus Systems that Udina demands the Council send its fleet into to go after Saren? Lol.

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

E)  You detinated a nuke on Virmire

KIRRAHE'S IDEA.

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Also Anderson really only helps you at the end of ME 1, he does nothing for you in ME 2 (Udina doesn't either) while it was ultimately Udina, Anderson and Hacket you got you to Spectre status. 

Everyone from ME1 turns on you in ME2, the bastards...

*loses train of thought and starts grumbling morosely*

[Asheer_Khan]

Shandepared wrote...

Collider wrote...

I like both Udina and Anderson. I both want them to kick ass in ME3. Udina needs it more badly because at the moment he's very overshadowed by Anderson in the success department.

He already sent a stealth frigate filled with N7 marines to destroy a batarian factory supplying parts for that suspicious orbital mirror system they're building.

I wonder how many colonists will pay the price for that "success" when Batarians will start another Blitz as retalitations whit quiet (or maybe even active) support of the Turians?

[Onyx Jaguar]

NIghtwriter wrote...



Actually no, that's not right. It's Udina who grounds the Normandy, if you'll recall. The Council were starting to get upset with Shepard and they cut your investigations, but it's Udina who steps in and grounds the Normandy to win points with the Council.

This is partly true, but like I said he had nothing to gain from confronting the council, you would have been grounded anyway.

The same Terminus Systems that Udina demands the Council send its fleet into to go after Saren? Lol.

Indeed, the Council didn't have anything to do with that. In both situations the Council flatly rejected Shepard. In regards to my previous point this plays into the grounding of the Normandy, as Udina wasn't going to make any headway into Terminus affairs when dealing as an Ambassador to the Council

KIRRAHE'S IDEA.

Shepard still carried out the plan ;_;

[JRCHOharry]

Glad to see Udina is getting the attention he deserves!



"Shepard?! What are yoooouu doing here?"

[Nightwriter]

LuckyIronAxe wrote...

Lord Coake wrote...

 And who the bloody hell would ever make Udina Councilor? 

I would, I sacrificed the council to concentrate all ships on Sovereign (neutral option), then reinstalled an Alien council with Udina as it's head, sure he uses me as a scapegoat for everything that went wrong but that just adds character flare to my personal shep, plus it's politics, somebody has to be the fall guy, am I right?

Myself, I understand that these are extenuating circumstances. The Reapers are coming and everyone is about to die.

If ever we didn't need Udina's type of politician, it's now. The Reapers are coming whether Udina's reasons are justifiable or not. I need someone who is aware of the threat and who will act on it, I can't afford to have a man in power who can't see beyond the petty politics. There are bigger concerns.

[Asheer_Khan]

LuckyIronAxe wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

I wonder how many colonists will pay the price for that "success" when Batarians will start another Blitz as retalitations whit quiet (or maybe even active) support of the Turians?

Bah, the Batarians don't have the gall! Udina made the right choice, Shock and Awe!

Are you really sure?


This attack could be ME Marco Polo bridge incident after all...

[Nightwriter]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

This is partly true, but like I said he had nothing to gain from confronting the council, you would have been grounded anyway.

Come on, man. You have no way of knowing that. And Udina could've handled it way better. All he had to do was silence Shepard, not ground the Normandy. That was overkill.

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Indeed, the Council didn't have anything to do with that. In both situations the Council flatly rejected Shepard. In regards to my previous point this plays into the grounding of the Normandy, as Udina wasn't going to make any headway into Terminus affairs when dealing as an Ambassador to the Council

Nah. Udina doesn't care about going into the Terminus Systems when it suits him, or he wouldn't have demanded the Council send a fleet in there. That's some serious flip-flopping if you ask me.

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

KIRRAHE'S IDEA.

Shepard still carried out the plan ;_;

But I don't think you can list this among Udina's reasons. He said the base had to be destroyed.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Nightwriter wrote...



But I don't think you can list this among Udina's reasons. He said the base had to be destroyed.

I wasn't making the case for Udina grounding Shepard, I was making the case for him siding with the Council on grounding Shepard. The Virmire incident looks very bad in the eyes of the Council. Udina might have approved but it is still a mark against Shepard in the eyes of the Council. I was also referring the Terminus system in regards, I should have separated those two points as the rest line up with Udina and the Council together.

Nah. Udina doesn't care about going into the Terminus Systems when it suits him, or he wouldn't have demanded the Council send a fleet in there. That's some serious flip-flopping if you ask me.

True, but again the Council would not have budged and I do not begrudge Udina for siding with them in this instance when he knows that most likely nothing will come out of siding against them.

[lovgreno]

Udina is a self confident and intelligent politician. He is one of the few who dares telling people like Shepard to not be an idiot. When cooperating with Hacket and Anderson he is one of the best allies Shepard have.

Modifié par lovgreno, 26 mai 2010 - 10:39 .

[Asheer_Khan]

LuckyIronAxe wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Are you really sure?

This attack could be ME Marco Polo bridge incident after all...

One problem with this analogy is that the Alliance(China) is far more powerful then the would-be invading Batarian(Japanese) forces, while back in 1937 the Chinese(Alliance) who were the country that was being invaded were far weaker than the Japanese(Batarian) invading forces.

True, however there is on catch there.

This attack only happened in Human lead Council (and perhaps all human Council but i am not quite sure there) scenario where Turians already withdraw thier support for new Council.

They could start to supply Batarians whit weapons and ships to carry out guerilla war against humans (enemy of my enemy is my friend after all) forcing Allaice to divert more and more forces to protect raided colonies when Hierarchy itself could prepared himself starting preparations for new war against humans.

Batarians already proven during Blitz that for them leaving schorched earth behind is not a slightest problem...

[Asheer_Khan]

Shandepared wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

I wonder how many colonists will pay the price for that "success" when Batarians will start another Blitz as retalitations whit quiet (or maybe even active) support of the Turians?

What do you suggest, that we do nothing? Should we pay tribute to our enemies lest they retaliate when we take pre-emptive action agains them? You've got the backbone of an earthworm.

You known.... banhammer hit can be paifull so BE CAREFULL

[Onyx Jaguar]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

You known.... banhammer hit can be paifull so BE CAREFULL

You should let us know how that works out for you