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[scorptatious]

I personally have thought up an idea of how it should be handled. If Tali and Legion are both alive, and the quarians decide to attempt to recapture thier homeworld, you must choose a side.

Since you have a new perspective on the Geth and know how they came to be, Shepard could have a reason to help them.

On the other hand, Tali could be your LI, or you simply support the Quarians more. Plus considering that the quarians are hopelessly outnumbered, (especially if you chose to rewrite the Geth) they could use the help from a Spectre and his team.

Depending on who you chose, either Tali or Legion can turn on you, and one of them will die. Or they could just leave you all together.

What do you think? And how do you think should this be handled?

[Zulu_DFA]

If the Quarians eventulally decide to attack the Geth, Shepard must have two dialogue options for that:



- Fine, charge!



- You should lie down.

[Batman90]

If you resolved Tali and Legion's conflict in Mass Effect 2 without losing either of their loyalty, the Quarian v. Geth conflict will be ended peacefully.

Otherwise, they will go to war, and what the OP said could apply.

[Dark_Caduceus]

If the geth and quarians go to war alli can say is "good luck quarians".

[Landline]

Honestly I'm expecting, and kinda hoping, that I'll be forced to choose a side in it. Needless to say if such a thing does come to pass I'll side with the quarians because Tali would eat me alive if I didn't.

[STG]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

If the geth and quarians go to war alli can say is "good luck quarians".

Seriously. As Kal'Reegar said, throw our fleet at the geth and all you're getting back is scrap metal.

[Dark_Caduceus]

Landline wrote...

Honestly I'm expecting, and kinda hoping, that I'll be forced to choose a side in it. Needless to say if such a thing does come to pass I'll side with the quarians because Tali would eat me alive if I didn't.

Tali won't be eating anything when she's riddles with bullet holes. Choosing a side in this fight is like choosing a side between a four year old and Bruce Lee.

[Dark_Caduceus]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Landline wrote...

Honestly I'm expecting, and kinda hoping, that I'll be forced to choose a side in it. Needless to say if such a thing does come to pass I'll side with the quarians because Tali would eat me alive if I didn't.

Tali won't be eating anything when she's riddled with bullet holes. Choosing a side in this fight is like choosing a side between a four year old and Bruce Lee.

[SuperMedbh]

Remember that the heretics are a minority among the Geth. The Quarians would be well advised to make nice or just give up on the idea of going home.

[Inverness Moon]

Shandepared wrote...

STG wrote...

Seriously. As Kal'Reegar said, throw our fleet at the geth and all you're getting back is scrap metal.

Admiral Xen is smarter than that.

Admiral Xen thinks she's smarter than that.

[RhythmlessNinja]

If the Quarians go to war with the Geth, they are pretty much dooming themselves. I'm thinking by time Mass Effect 3 is out there will be an alternative, that being Legion.

[Massadonious1]

Who says there needs to be a war? For those that didn't keep the Collector base, there needs to be a viable alternative.We can't exactly have the "largest fleet in the galaxy" doing anything to jeopardize their numbers.

[Dark_Caduceus]

Shandepared wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

Admiral Xen thinks she's smarter than that.

She knows what she's doing. Previously the Admiralty board voted to find a Reaper towards that end.

She seems smart sure, but she's blinded by ambition and seems a little unstable. Reminds me a little of Saren.

[Dark_Caduceus]

She's attempting to mind control an entire sentient race, seemingly for the aquisition of power, "as we reclaim the largest synthetic army in the galaxy" Also, she seems to want to continue with Rael's experiments, we all saw how well those ended.



Bring Legion to the conversation with her, both he and Tali Zorah judge her plan to be "unsound", Tali also comments that the fact she performed surgery on her childhood toys is well, unstable sounding. It may be more of a joke sure, but it's still indicative of Xen's character. She also uses this as justification for experimenting on operational geth, "Rael should feel no more guilty about experimenting on geth than I for performing surgery on...". The fact that she draws an analogy between a sentient creature and a toy strikes me as somewhat not all there.

[Nightwriter]

Admiral Xen is still largely an unknown to me. I do not feel like I know her well enough to make judgments on what her character is capable of. I will therefore not make assumptions about her responsibility or her intelligence.

Geth/quarian war must be stopped. I fail to see why it should happen at all if we can get the geth to hand over the homeworld willingly, which they seem like they would do. Sounds like some negotiations are what's needed.

[Dark_Caduceus]

Nightwriter wrote...

Admiral Xen is still largely an unknown to me. I do not feel like I know her well enough to make judgments on what her character is capable of. I will therefore not make assumptions about her responsibility or her intelligence.

Geth/quarian war must be stopped. I fail to see why it should happen at all if we can get the geth to hand over the homeworld willingly, which they seem like they would do. Sounds like some negotiations are what's needed.

Yeah, gonna be tough though, the quarians being all hateful and the geth being all isolationist. Hmmmm...

[VampireCommando]

There will be an option for going to war, ppeace and what not, it will just depend on A) how you handled it in ME2 how you handle the rest of it in ME3

[Dean_the_Young]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

She's attempting to mind control an entire sentient race, seemingly for the aquisition of power, "as we reclaim the largest synthetic army in the galaxy" Also, she seems to want to continue with Rael's experiments, we all saw how well those ended.

Rael's experiments blew up because he disregarded established safety procedures that prevented it. That argument's akin to rejecting cars because someone insisted on driving on the wrong side of the road.

The good admiral, and indeed many ohters, would contest the Geth as sentient, as opposed to merely complex machines. Since the Geth themselves admit to being pure software, that's a very legitimate argument.

Zen's argument would secure the Quarians position and safety: aquiring power is not a sin, or even contemptable, if it is for a good cause.

Bring Legion to the conversation with her, both he and Tali Zorah judge her plan to be "unsound", Tali also comments that the fact she performed surgery on her childhood toys is well, unstable sounding. It may be more of a joke sure, but it's still indicative of Xen's character. She also uses this as justification for experimenting on operational geth, "Rael should feel no more guilty about experimenting on geth than I for performing surgery on...". The fact that she draws an analogy between a sentient creature and a toy strikes me as somewhat not all there.

Legion argued that the plan was unsound because it could not be done because of the Geth defense against hacking: Rael's experiments suggested it was indeed possible, thus circumventing the geth.

Disecting toys to figure out how they work isn't unstable. Children do it all the time, whether for fun (playing doctor) or to find out how it works (engineering).

[Nightwriter]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Admiral Xen is still largely an unknown to me. I do not feel like I know her well enough to make judgments on what her character is capable of. I will therefore not make assumptions about her responsibility or her intelligence.

Geth/quarian war must be stopped. I fail to see why it should happen at all if we can get the geth to hand over the homeworld willingly, which they seem like they would do. Sounds like some negotiations are what's needed.

Yeah, gonna be tough though, the quarians being all hateful and the geth being all isolationist. Hmmmm...

Well I think the first step is for them to just talk to each other. There's absolutely no communication going on, that's got to be fixed. The quarians have no clue what the geth really want or think.

Once they start communicating, we can go from there. Even if it ends badly at least we'll know they actually spoke to each other for once.

[KendallX23]

Admiral Xen is nuts..anyone can see this..she's like the mad scientist...i can see her as a "boss" in ME3 if u decide to make peace or try at least between geth and quarians

As for the war itself..there's no need to be one...the best deeal would be for a peace..with the Reapers coming the Galaxy dosen't need their biggest fleet beeing destroyed

[Dark_Caduceus]

Shandepared wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

She's attempting to mind control an entire sentient race...

I take it you blew up Heretic Station then. Well I suppose you aren't completely without hope.

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Tali also comments that the fact she performed surgery on her childhood toys is well, unstable sounding.

Actually it's a mark of genius. Extremely intelligent children often destroy their toys via' taking them apart. Stephen Hawking liked to take apart his toys. 
 

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

She also uses this as justification for "Rael should feel no more guilty about experimenting on geth than I for performing surgery on...". The fact that she draws an analogy between a sentient creature and a toy strikes me as somewhat not all there.

Her reasoning is sound. Synthetics, no matter how convincing, are merely machines. Geth are just computer programs. Frankly, I agree with Xen. It is foolish to consider artificial inorganic constructs to be alive.

On the third point, it's really a different discussion altogether which I'd prefer not to get into here. all I will say is that I don't understand how the composition of an organism determines whether it is life or not. Sentience is sentience and if you regress to a certain point anything can be seen as a composition of chemicals which follow specific behavioural patterns resulting in a functional organism. This can be seen in organic and the geth.

On the second point, While I don't doubt that many geniuses have/had a tendency to pick apart and learn about childhood toys many geniuses also tend to be ostracized and unstable. This page outlines some of them as examples http://health.howstu...ad-genius5.htm. heck, even the deadliest son of a **** in space is perported to have been mentqally ill in some capacity.

On the first point(I apologize for working backwards here), I did destroy the Heretic Station on my "canon" run.  The second sentence is condescending and unnecessary.