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[mopotter]

I hope that whatever happened in ME2 will carry over. Two different paths. One they join together (my personal choice) and one where they end up fighting. Personally I am not sure the quarian would win, or if they did win there would be many of them left I agree with Kal'Reegar when he tells Tali it wouldn't be as easy as a lot of them seem to think, .

[Motion Blue]

Player decisions. Renegades instigated the war. Paragons denied.



ME2 showed that many of things people thought about the Geth were false, same with Quarians.

[mopotter]

Shandepared wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

She seems smart sure, but she's blinded by ambition and seems a little unstable. Reminds me a little of Saren.

What on Earth makes you think she's unstable? You had one conversation with the woman, not even a particularly long one. She made her case for her feelings on synthetic life and she smartly recognizes that a straight-up conflict is an inefficient way to conduct war against the geth. She did not say or do anything that would indicate she is not competent and sane.

She wants to turn the clock back, put the oil back into the pipe, close pandors's box.  She wants to bring the geth back under Quarian control.  That is unrealistic.    I think she is obsessed, but from listening to the 3 admirals, seems to me all of them are obsessed.  

Of the three, though, I hope Zaal'Koris gets some more support.  I'd rather see them take a few hundred years to accumulate on a new world then see most or all of them killed trying to take back their great great grandfathers homeworld. 

[FuturePasTimeCE]

it should be featured in James Cameron's Avatar 2.

[Christianson]

Personally because of the way Legion basiccally brainwashes the whole of the Geth heritics into joining Liegon's side. I think that the war with the reapers will be fought by all the Geth and the Rachni and of course every other species in the galaxy. I dont think there will be a war between the Geth and the Quarians.

[Kaiser Shepard]

If I have to choose a side, I will no doubt side with the geth.



If there is a peaceful way to solve the conflict, I may choose it depending on how well it's executed. Which means no compromises on part of the geth.

[Dean_the_Young]

mopotter wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

She seems smart sure, but she's blinded by ambition and seems a little unstable. Reminds me a little of Saren.

What on Earth makes you think she's unstable? You had one conversation with the woman, not even a particularly long one. She made her case for her feelings on synthetic life and she smartly recognizes that a straight-up conflict is an inefficient way to conduct war against the geth. She did not say or do anything that would indicate she is not competent and sane.

She wants to turn the clock back, put the oil back into the pipe, close pandors's box.  She wants to bring the geth back under Quarian control.  That is unrealistic.    I think she is obsessed, but from listening to the 3 admirals, seems to me all of them are obsessed.  

Of the three, though, I hope Zaal'Koris gets some more support.  I'd rather see them take a few hundred years to accumulate on a new world then see most or all of them killed trying to take back their great great grandfathers homeworld. 

With a working anti-Geth virus that can be used on active Geth, Xen's goals of returning them to Quarian control are completely realistic.

[scorptatious]

Inverness Moon wrote...

scorptatious wrote...

If I were to choose a side however, I would have to side with the Quarians. Because for one thing, Tali is my LI, and also, the Quarians have been wandering around in space for a long time, and have no planet to call home. And perhaps by reclaiming thier planet, the quarians will finally have a better standing in the universe and not be looked down on by the other aliens, as there probably won't be any need for pilgrimages anymore.

Tali is my LI also, that doesn't mean I'll side with the quarians if I think they're doing wrong. I would not allow a LI to prevent me from standing up for what is right, and war against the geth is not right.

I also don't see how regaining their home planet would have any affect on how people view the quarians, especially if it became known that they once again initiated violence against their geth creations that only wanted peace and understanding. That would certainly lower their standing in my eyes, and I'd probably think them undeserving of their planet since they seemed to have not learned from the mistakes of their ancestors 300 years past.

Yeah, I guess that's true, it probably wouldn't raise thier standing in the galaxy.  But how would the galaxy know that the Geth are like that, considering that they helped Soveriegn attack the citadel? The council will almost definetely won't listen to Shepard considering they believe that Soverign was made from Geth technology. Damn Turian Councillor with that head fringe up his ass...

Modifié par scorptatious, 28 mai 2010 - 08:26 .

[Inverness Moon]

Shandepared wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

And about the geth, how do you know how similar or dissimilar to organic brains they are when they're operating in the networks they require to achieve sentience?

I know for a fact that they work nothing like our brains simply because geth do not have brains. They are purely software, computer code. You'd have a better time arguing with me about EDI because at least she has hardware; physical components that may or may not resemble an organic brain in some respects. However geth are nothing like EDI. They're completely unlike any other artificial intelligence in Mass Effect.

Sorry, but you lost me at the first sentence. First of all, I don't think you understand the word "like." Secondly, the geth don't need to have organic brains for their code to behave in a way similar to organic brains.

Like I said before, the geth were created by organics to labor that organics could do, but also to solve problems and work together to do it. Naturally if quarians are going to program the geth to solve problems, they would use themselves as a template, I don't see how you could claim otherwise.

scorptatious wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

scorptatious wrote...

If I were to choose a side however, I would have to side with the Quarians. Because for one thing, Tali is my LI, and also, the Quarians have been wandering around in space for a long time, and have no planet to call home. And perhaps by reclaiming thier planet, the quarians will finally have a better standing in the universe and not be looked down on by the other aliens, as there probably won't be any need for pilgrimages anymore.

Tali is my LI also, that doesn't mean I'll side with the quarians if I think they're doing wrong. I would not allow a LI to prevent me from standing up for what is right, and war against the geth is not right.

I also don't see how regaining their home planet would have any affect on how people view the quarians, especially if it became known that they once again initiated violence against their geth creations that only wanted peace and understanding. That would certainly lower their standing in my eyes, and I'd probably think them undeserving of their planet since they seemed to have not learned from the mistakes of their ancestors 300 years past.

Yeah, I guess that's true, it probably wouldn't raise thier standing in the galaxy.  But how would the galaxy know that the Geth are like that, considering that they helped Soveriegn attack the citadel? The council will almost definetely won't listen to Shepard considering they believe that Soverign was made from Geth technology. Damn Turian Councillor with that head fringe up his ass...

The Council does not represent public opinion, there are plenty of other people that would listen to Shepard if he claimed that the geth weren't all the same and gave evidence in the form of Legion and its mysterious impulse to use Shepard's N7 armor.

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 28 mai 2010 - 09:56 .

[Christianson]

There will be no war with the Geth they are going to team up with the Quarians.

[Dr. Megaverse]

Well if nothing else this thread proves Bioware forum users approve of flight simulators.

[Inverness Moon]

Christianson wrote...

There will be no war with the Geth they are going to team up with the Quarians.

This is what I think, I hardly believe the bulk of the quarian people will support a war when they find out that the geth want peace and do not even use their homeworld. I think the Admiralty Board can only override the Conclave with a unanimous vote, so if Shepard and Legion shift public opinion in their favor, they could get the Conclave to go for peace, and the admirals would have to go along with it since Zal'Koris and most likely Shala'Raan would go along with it.

I know that if you told the admirals not to go to war at the end of Tali's trial, it is saved in the game file, so that might decide which way she swings or whatever if Tali isn't there to convince her or someone else important.

Just some speculation.

[Vaenier]

Geth would gladly welcome the Quarians home with open arms, if the Quarians dont try to kill them, again, for the 183rd time... [pulled number from ass] Quarians are likely going to divide, forming 3 groups: 1. Quarians seeking a new planet. 2. Quarians seeking peace with Geth. 3. Quarians seeking genocide and enslavement of another race.

Shep must pick a side between the latter 2, either way, killing a large amount of Geth and Quarians in an identical linear level. The only difference will be a handful of dialogue lines.

After that, Shep is never able to return, and you get a paragraph after the credits describing your impact on the galaxy. The end.

[Wrex4Prez]

scorptatious wrote...

I personally have thought up an idea of how it should be handled. If Tali and Legion are both alive, and the quarians decide to attempt to recapture thier homeworld, you must choose a side.

Since you have a new perspective on the Geth and know how they came to be, Shepard could have a reason to help them.

On the other hand, Tali could be your LI, or you simply support the Quarians more. Plus considering that the quarians are hopelessly outnumbered, (especially if you chose to rewrite the Geth) they could use the help from a Spectre and his team.

Depending on who you chose, either Tali or Legion can turn on you, and one of them will die. Or they could just leave you all together.

What do you think? And how do you think should this be handled?

Based on the conversation thread with Legion, please explain why the Quarians would have to fight the Geth to overtake their homeworld?  It was, in fact, the Heretics that were using the homeworld.  The Geth, according to Legion, do not live on the homeworld.  They live in space.

[Wrex4Prez]

Wrex4Prez wrote...

Based on the conversation thread with Legion, please explain why the Quarians would have to fight the Geth to overtake their homeworld?  It was, in fact, the Heretics that were using the homeworld.  The Geth, according to Legion, do not live on the homeworld.  They live in space.

Apparently, this has been covered above to some degree.  Sorry to rehash.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Christianson wrote...

There will be no war with the Geth they are going to team up with the Quarians.

This is what I think, I hardly believe the bulk of the quarian people will support a war when they find out that the geth want peace and do not even use their homeworld. I think the Admiralty Board can only override the Conclave with a unanimous vote, so if Shepard and Legion shift public opinion in their favor, they could get the Conclave to go for peace, and the admirals would have to go along with it since Zal'Koris and most likely Shala'Raan would go along with it.

I know that if you told the admirals not to go to war at the end of Tali's trial, it is saved in the game file, so that might decide which way she swings or whatever if Tali isn't there to convince her or someone else important.

Just some speculation.

I wonder if there is an save check for if you bring legion with you on tali's mission. talking to one of the admirals open more diologue about the quarian's homeworld.

[Jack Package]

Sergio said something like that about the Quarians in another thread and i think that it also can b applied to the Geth. No matter what you chosse the geth or quarians will still be there. They won't just end a race, there still must be the quarians and the geth for future releases in the ME universe. If there should be a war with the players support then the quarians will presumabely suffer horrid losses, but at the end they will get their homeworld. The geth won't be just all destroyed. This will be handled in the way that the geth decide to reatreat from the system where Rannoch is to others or something like that. Renegade: war, heavy losses on both sides, quarians get homeworld. Paragon: they make some peace talk, geth give quarians the homeworld back.

And concerning Xen? There are rumors that she will be an antagonist no matter what. Your boss in ME 3 will not be pleased with a rogue quarian controlling millions of geth so you will be allowed to shoot at some quarians. (Which some here will presumeably like a lot...)

[Vaenier]

The Quarians have split the fleet, narrowly avoiding a bloody civil war. Three factions of Quarians have emerged; one seeking to settle a new planet and leave their past mistakes behind them, one seeking peace with their lost children and building a new civilization together, and one seeking to enslave the Geth and turn them back into the mindless slaves they were originally created to be.

The one faction has already begun to colonize a new world, scrapping several ships to make shelters, and has gotten help from several races already. The peace seekers have made it to their homeworld, and have already began to mend old wounds with their children. The enslavers have outfitted their ships and prepared for war, attack could happen at any moment.

Shep recieves two messages from the Quarians, one from each side of the line, containing their location and a plea for help in the upcoming conflict. The Quarian homeworld opens up as a choice on the map, and going their will begin the mission to end the war.

Shep can land at two location, depending on which side he wishes to help. Shep will then be given the task of fighting his way to the main Geth data hub to either prevent the virus from being uploaded, or uploading the virus himself. The mission will be identical for either side.

The evil Quarians have already infected multiple Geth which fight on their side now, so either way, you will be killing Quarians and Geth as you approach the core. At the core, you are provided with the choice for the final time of uploading the virus, or destroying it, thus ending the war in that factions favor.

[Cra5y Pineapple]

My honest opinion.

There will be no war.
Think about it, there are no heretics, and Legion now exsists as an ally of geth and organics. Geth are not a violent race; they are only reclusive, secretive, and do like being disturbed. I think we'll probably visit a geth settlement in ME3 and perhaps a mission to stop the friction between the Quarians and the Geth, perhaps resulting in the Geth letting the Quarians get their home planet back.

[Freelancer rook]

There is no war if you rewritten the geth on Legions' loyalty mission.

[Gundar3]

Vaenier wrote...

Geth would gladly welcome the Quarians home with open arms, if the Quarians dont try to kill them, again, for the 183rd time... [pulled number from ass] Quarians are likely going to divide, forming 3 groups: 1. Quarians seeking a new planet. 2. Quarians seeking peace with Geth. 3. Quarians seeking genocide and enslavement of another race.
Shep must pick a side between the latter 2, either way, killing a large amount of Geth and Quarians in an identical linear level. The only difference will be a handful of dialogue lines.
After that, Shep is never able to return, and you get a paragraph after the credits describing your impact on the galaxy. The end.

The faction thing would be intertesting, I just hope to God they wouldnt resort to text boxes.. <_<

I could also see Bioware saying that you have an impact on the decision making before the Reapers invade and that the Quarians/Geth do whatever you dcided for them to do after the vents of the reapers.  That would still be lame though as it would mean very little to the player, because you wouldnt see it.  They did it in DA.

[Gundar3]

Jack Package wrote...

Sergio said something like that about the Quarians in another thread and i think that it also can b applied to the Geth. No matter what you chosse the geth or quarians will still be there. They won't just end a race, there still must be the quarians and the geth for future releases in the ME universe. If there should be a war with the players support then the quarians will presumabely suffer horrid losses, but at the end they will get their homeworld. The geth won't be just all destroyed. This will be handled in the way that the geth decide to reatreat from the system where Rannoch is to others or something like that. Renegade: war, heavy losses on both sides, quarians get homeworld. Paragon: they make some peace talk, geth give quarians the homeworld back.
And concerning Xen? There are rumors that she will be an antagonist no matter what. Your boss in ME 3 will not be pleased with a rogue quarian controlling millions of geth so you will be allowed to shoot at some quarians. (Which some here will presumeably like a lot...)

This would be ideal I think.

[FourSixEight]

The quarians and the geth WILL work together. Both my MaleShep and FemShep will see to that. Not only that, they'll do it happily. Why? Because one created the other, they're more alike than they know, and they deserve to have the chance to work towards a brighter future.

And if I have to choose between saving the quarians or the geth....well. I wouldn't know what to do.

[mopotter]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

mopotter wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

She seems smart sure, but she's blinded by ambition and seems a little unstable. Reminds me a little of Saren.

What on Earth makes you think she's unstable? You had one conversation with the woman, not even a particularly long one. She made her case for her feelings on synthetic life and she smartly recognizes that a straight-up conflict is an inefficient way to conduct war against the geth. She did not say or do anything that would indicate she is not competent and sane.

She wants to turn the clock back, put the oil back into the pipe, close pandors's box.  She wants to bring the geth back under Quarian control.  That is unrealistic.    I think she is obsessed, but from listening to the 3 admirals, seems to me all of them are obsessed.  

Of the three, though, I hope Zaal'Koris gets some more support.  I'd rather see them take a few hundred years to accumulate on a new world then see most or all of them killed trying to take back their great great grandfathers homeworld. 

With a working anti-Geth virus that can be used on active Geth, Xen's goals of returning them to Quarian control are completely realistic.

Riiiiggghhhttt.
edit.  Disagree with your idea, but respect your right to say it.

Modifié par mopotter, 29 mai 2010 - 12:03 .

[Aigyl]

Personally I doubt there'll be a war between the Quarian and Geth in ME3 (squeezing a full-blown war into just one or two levels of the game sounds painful), though I bet you'll be able to decide the fate of the Quarians and Geth one way or another.

Just one example: Admiral Xen is on the brink of finishing Rael's work of developing a virus that turns all Geth into slaves again. In ME3 you could choose to stop Xen and destroy the virus (Paragon) which would let the Geth remain sentient and destroy all hope of Quarians reclaiming the homeworld.

Alternatively you could let Xen unleash the virus (Renegade), turning Geth into slaves once more and allowing the Quarians to reclaim their homeworld.

Just my 2 coppers.