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Kaylord

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I am an insanity fan. Many hard core shooter gamers complain that it is too easy. But I think it is very well balanced and provides a lot of challenges when you aspire to not die even once and consider losing health already as serious issue (as it would be in RL).

In ME1 there still was the issue of enemies having just too much live, making battles sometimes feel unrealistic. Nevertheless, I managed several playthroughs in ME1 on insanity with ZERODEATHS. Now, ME2 seems much more tough to do so. I am on my fourth playthrough and still wrestle with a lot of deaths.

I figured that starting with a soldier on hardcore would help getting acquainted with the game. It was a good run, but many deaths of stupidity. Since I had lost my numerous savegames from ME1 after a windows7-install (stupid ME games do save on a C:\\ folder instead of the games´ directory on D:\\ Posted Image), I did one fast playthrough of ME1 with a soldier where I concentrated on the carry-over-decisions. Combat feels a lot more challenging than in ME1. After that, I felt ready for insanity.

Then I took my favourite class Adept. I took my ME1-template-playthrough changed name, gender and looks by Gibbeth´s Save Game Editor and gave me enough resources to skip the most stupid mini-game called ´mining´ I ever encountered in a game. I switched to insantiy and started as NG+ at level 30 to have a maximum challenge.
Now, the Adept is a powerhouse in ME, but I was warned by many threads in this forum that Adept was now very challenging. Well, I liked it a lot, but still I died a lot, too, until I found out about the right timing of Harbinger-stopping singularities and of how many enemies may shoot at you at maximum before you can´t even get off a biotic power when peeking out of cover.

Third run, I went with a Vanguard. I watched a lot of vids on how to play him, but still, many deaths of stupidity. That was mainly because I had to judge wether charging in was ok to do or if there were too many spawns. That judgement oftenly failed. On the final missions on the platforms, I hardly could use charge anymore, which was disappointing. Still, with Reave as bonus power and Miranda (Warp) and Samara (Reave), the final missions were totally easy.

Fourth run I am still into, I took an Infiltrator. I figured after having played the tactically more challenging classes, I would finally reach my goal of ZERODEATH with the one class which is oftenly called ´too easy´ or ´boring´ in these forums. Still, deaths of stupidity reached me already during Garrus recruitment. I found that any mission with charging enemies or with countdown or endless spawning is quite a challenge for the squishy infiltrator. Once my Cloak was on cooldown, those Varren and Krogan got me. Finding enough ammo für the Mantis-rifle is also a big issue for that class.
I finally recieved the Widow-sniper rifle. With Warp Ammo, Collectors became a one-shot-fun. Fastes run ever. Still died because I did not figure in time that you uncloak while the Cain is charging up... Posted Image

I think, after this playthrough, I will try the Sentinel for my goal of ZERODEATH. Many people in here say that class is nearly indestructible. And with that run, ME2 officially replaced ME1 as THE most entertaining story-based CRPG I ever played (even BG2 I only completed 4 times, sadly DA was already boring after the first time, and only randomized games like Diablo, WoW or turn-based games score more playthroughs for me).

Sooo... tell me about your attempts or succesful ZERODEAHTS and how many tries it took you. Posted Image

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Tlazolteotl

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I only play Insanity.

I played sentinel first, then engineer, so quite familiar with the game by the time I decided to make a no reload run ...

Infiltrator. Failed during archangel recruitment first attempt. Succeeded second attempt.

Since then, tried to do this with every class at least once. Only succeeded with the engineer as well, but it took 9 attempts.

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I tried, with a Sentinel, did Kasumi loyalty mission and Garrus, Mordin recruitment before a death, I believe on Grunt's recruiment mission. I think it's definitely doable, just need patience and lots of practice.

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Dark_Caduceus wrote...

I tried, with a Sentinel, did Kasumi loyalty mission and Garrus, Mordin recruitment before a death, I believe on Grunt's recruiment mission. I think it's definitely doable, just need patience and lots of practice.


I hear you. And needs a lot of undisturbed time. Not possible here anymore with my freshly-married-to-wife coming every 20 Minutes or so, trying to sit on my lap for some kisses while a firefight  is going on...
*sigh* Posted Image

I will have to organize better my time; I will save every mission and retry from scratch using those saves. This way I can skip dialogue fastest...
Posted Image- am I crazy or what?

Modifié par Kaylord, 27 mai 2010 - 09:43 .


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Kaylord wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

I tried, with a Sentinel, did Kasumi loyalty mission and Garrus, Mordin recruitment before a death, I believe on Grunt's recruiment mission. I think it's definitely doable, just need patience and lots of practice.


I hear you. And needs a lot of undisturbed time. Not possible here anymore with my freshly-married-to-wife coming every 20 Minutes or so, trying to sit on my lap for some kisses while a firefight  is going on...
*sigh* Posted Image

I will have to organize better my time; I will save every mission and retry from scratch using those saves. This way I can skip dialogue fastest...
Posted Image- am I crazy or what?


Wait 'til you guys have kids, lol... talk about interruptions

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mi55ter wrote...

Kaylord wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

I tried, with a Sentinel, did Kasumi loyalty mission and Garrus, Mordin recruitment before a death, I believe on Grunt's recruiment mission. I think it's definitely doable, just need patience and lots of practice.


I hear you. And needs a lot of undisturbed time. Not possible here anymore with my freshly-married-to-wife coming every 20 Minutes or so, trying to sit on my lap for some kisses while a firefight  is going on...
*sigh* Posted Image

I will have to organize better my time; I will save every mission and retry from scratch using those saves. This way I can skip dialogue fastest...
Posted Image- am I crazy or what?


Wait 'til you guys have kids, lol... talk about interruptions


Lol.

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I play only on Insanty as well.

My advice ? Don't do anything stupid, stay calm and you wont die at all. Thats how I did my first no-death run on Insanity as a Soldier.

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Doing something stupid surely is the most common cause (especially with Vanguards...). But there are some maps which require very precise handling, and if you miss a few shots, those krogan or varren *are* up in your face and it is too late.

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I'm thinking about starting a zero death run aswell... Torn between sentinel and soldier though. Both can withstand most punishment in case of an error (one with shields, other with health) although I'm not sure which is the better panic move: tech armor explosion + recharge or hardened AR...

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Zero death is impossible...don't bother trying. But I am also a fan of insanity

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iLikeBWgames wrote...

I'm thinking about starting a zero death run aswell... Torn between sentinel and soldier though. Both can withstand most punishment in case of an error (one with shields, other with health) although I'm not sure which is the better panic move: tech armor explosion + recharge or hardened AR...


Can be done with any class with the right tactics, patience and practice. If I were to bother doing this, I'd use a class I'm most familiar with and played before. You know what to expect, you know what to do and plan for them and don't go all Rambo on the missions.

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IMethos wrote...

Zero death is impossible...don't bother trying. But I am also a fan of insanity


You give up far too easily in my opinion.

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Not going Rambo is the hardest part... Sometimes I just can't resist... When I played assault sentinel 2/3 of my damage came from the epic elbow.

Doing a zero death run just appeals to me from a role-playing perspective, apart from the typical challenge. I'm definatelly going to try this now having played all missions at least twice on insanity.

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Is this zero deaths on NG+ or fresh lvl 1-5 character? If this is NG+ I'd be surprised nobody mentioned the first fight on Freedom's progress with the mechs. That part is probably one of the hardest encounters in the game for NG+.

Other difficult encounters worthy of being mentioned:

a) Garrus recruitment @ blood pack attack (shutters)

B) Grunt recruitment @ Jedore fight

c) Jack's recruitment @ Kuril fight

d) Miranda @ Enyala fight

Modifié par Atmosfear3, 27 mai 2010 - 03:32 .


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Has anyone ever done a vanguard run on insanity with zero deaths? I'm using a Vanguard for the first time, and I cannot figure out this class at all. I die around 6 times a mission.

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A no death ME1 run is pretty impressive since any slip up can result in instant death, especially against enemy biotics and snipers/rocket troops. You can't get an instant death or be disabled in ME2 so I would have thought no deaths in ME2 would be easier.

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I like what people said about a zero death run being appealling from a true RPG perspective. It's true! So our character is a (finite) hero that saves the universe, not an endlessly spawning NPC 'bot...

Modifié par mi55ter, 27 mai 2010 - 04:31 .


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MrNose wrote...

Has anyone ever done a vanguard run on insanity with zero deaths? I'm using a Vanguard for the first time, and I cannot figure out this class at all. I die around 6 times a mission.

Blimey, I can honestly say I wouldn't have the patience or commitment to try that.

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very easy to do this with an infiltrator, but that would be just too boring

nearly impossible to do it with a vanguard and you will probably finish your playthrough looking like this:

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Atmosfear3 wrote...

Is this zero deaths on NG+ or fresh lvl 1-5 character? If this is NG+ I'd be surprised nobody mentioned the first fight on Freedom's progress with the mechs. That part is probably one of the hardest encounters in the game for NG+.

Other difficult encounters worthy of being mentioned:

a) Garrus recruitment @ blood pack attack (shutters)

B) Grunt recruitment @ Jedore fight

c) Jack's recruitment @ Kuril fight

d) Miranda @ Enyala fight


NG+ is retarded, due to a downward difficulty ramp. It's just poorly designed ... level scaling + no upgrades is silly.

Jedore fight can be cheesed if you stay outside the door and lure the krogan 1 at a time.

Kuril fight can be taken clinically at little risk .. destroy the generators (at range with powers is safest) after the the first group of blue suns reinforcements (there won't be any more), then take down everyone else before tackling kuril.

Miranda's loyalty mission isn't really worth doing on a no reload run.

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Tlazolteotl wrote...

Miranda's loyalty mission isn't really worth doing on a no reload run.


But...  It's so touching!

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Allllmost did it with my sentinel. But two duh moments killed it (diving into cover next to a bajillion merc on Garrus' recruitment, and charging the bridge on Thane's).

That said, I agree with an earlier poster about Freedom's progress. That first fight with the Fenris mechs is surprisingly hard. I only was able to do it without dying by being cheesy and falling back to the door.

ZMOG, Mr. Nose!  Just saw your banner about Mr. Darcy as squadmate for ME3.  You are now my hero!  (as long as it's the Colin Firth Darcy, m'kay?)

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Atmosfear3 wrote...

Is this zero deaths on NG+ or fresh lvl 1-5 character? If this is NG+ I'd be surprised nobody mentioned the first fight on Freedom's progress with the mechs. That part is probably one of the hardest encounters in the game for NG+.

Other difficult encounters worthy of being mentioned:

a) Garrus recruitment @ blood pack attack (shutters)

B) Grunt recruitment @ Jedore fight

c) Jack's recruitment @ Kuril fight

d) Miranda @ Enyala fight


You're right.

NG+ on Freedom's Progress can be infuriating.

Now I'm playing a sentinel, but my previous run was a soldier NG+. Just adrenaline rush and headshots with vindicator or the widow. It was a pretty safe run.
I wasnt' really trying "zero death", but I remember three. Two were on Freedom's Progress. The other one, on Jacob's loyalty mission. I lost my pacience fighting the heavy mech. Probably there were more, but I specially remember those 3.

A "zero death" vanguard NG+ playthrough ? Sure, anytime

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Tlazolteotl wrote...

Miranda's loyalty mission isn't really worth doing on a no reload run.


I know, unlocking Slam for Miranda is not worth it, specially having in mind she has 30 skill points regardless.

Anyway, there are two upgrades there...

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Kaylord wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

I tried, with a Sentinel, did Kasumi loyalty mission and Garrus, Mordin recruitment before a death, I believe on Grunt's recruiment mission. I think it's definitely doable, just need patience and lots of practice.


I hear you. And needs a lot of undisturbed time. Not possible here anymore with my freshly-married-to-wife coming every 20 Minutes or so, trying to sit on my lap for some kisses while a firefight  is going on...
*sigh* Posted Image

I will have to organize better my time; I will save every mission and retry from scratch using those saves. This way I can skip dialogue fastest...
Posted Image- am I crazy or what?


Fix your priorities.