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#76
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I love Sten (despite his crack addict appearance which I have undoubtly altered by now).

Sten has a stoic wisdom that is a necessary balance to the game. His choices are very narrow, but easily fit into a strict, orthodox "defeat the blight" at all costs viewpoint. On the other hand, you have Zevran (who is an assaisin) protects life whenever possible. DOA is fully of characters with opposing viewpoints - I LOVE that is it more complicated than a surface scratch reveals...

Sten offers valuable input to the warden. I believe him to be a very necessary character to the game experience.

Modifié par jpdipity, 28 mai 2010 - 04:51 .


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TheSpaceKraken wrote...

BigBad wrote...

 you can get insane approval bumps solely through dialogue. I swear, I got like +27 approval from a single conversation.

Any conversation in particular?  I just get his approval up through choices and gifts.


(husband)

Well its easiest to get it by beating him up when he challenges you at Haven.   Then tell him to get back in line.   By showing that your alpha dog of the pack he gives you big bonuses and it opens you up to more converation with even more bonuses.

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TheSpaceKraken wrote...

BigBad wrote...

 you can get insane approval bumps solely through dialogue. I swear, I got like +27 approval from a single conversation.

Any conversation in particular?  I just get his approval up through choices and gifts.


Sten's 'you're not as callow as I thought' conversation always gets me +20.

Of course, you can always cheat by using this to figure out the right conversation options. I always end up losing approval in he 'you look like a woman' conversation because even if I do know what to say I hate the false dichotomy he puts forth.

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TheSpaceKraken

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Sarah1281 wrote...

TheSpaceKraken wrote...

BigBad wrote...

 you can get insane approval bumps solely through dialogue. I swear, I got like +27 approval from a single conversation.

Any conversation in particular?  I just get his approval up through choices and gifts.


Sten's 'you're not as callow as I thought' conversation always gets me +20.

Of course, you can always cheat by using this to figure out the right conversation options. I always end up losing approval in he 'you look like a woman' conversation because even if I do know what to say I hate the false dichotomy he puts forth.

Yeah I racked up much approval in the "you're not as callow as I thought" conversation and in many other conversations with him while playing my arcane warrior (got him to full approval), but I am unable to get him to grow friendly towards my dwarf noble without using gifts.

Cheating is not my way, but unfortunately I took a peek at the guide, and once I know what option is more benificial, I tend to stick with it.  Now not trying to get his approval will be difficult.

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thegreateski wrote...

Are you kidding? Everyone loves Sten.

They just don't talk about it because that would be unstenlike.


This.  All that needs to be said.

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I always liked Sten. I had a little difficulty with his approval in my first game of DA but after that, he was great to have along. I love his dry humour. I guess a lot of it is because he is very similar to a barbarian character my friend used to play in Ultima Online, right down to the kitten training.

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I love Sten. I don't have to listen to his life story every time I talk to him. Just a simple "NO" or "You're doing it wrong." :wub:

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<3 Sten. Very Deep, what a GREAT NPC.


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I like him just fine when he's not threatening to put a leash on me.

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He had very little conversation then the others that's why he's my least liked but I still like him and the banter he has with Morrigan.

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 Just leave him in camp to keep dog company :).   He is my Dog's B**CH :D:D

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Addai67 wrote...


(Husband posting)

I like Sten, but he's got a number big drawbacks, that really make it hard to use him as a main character.

1) His - approvals are very inconvenient (especially for a new player that may be role playing as a traditional FRPG hero/ heroine. 

2) His two handed Sword is way slow and can miss a lot, especially if your a new player and for some reason haven't got around to taking precse striking.

3) He's not a mandatory or specially featured character.  (There isn't a specific dungeon or plot that makes or suggests you take him unlike their is with character's like Allistair at the Landsmeet, Oghren in the Deep roards etc..


4) His basic role in the party is redundant, essentially it can be done other characters that possess other needed skills.   (lock picking, shield tanking etc.)

5) His personal quest is less obvious that other characters.


when you add all this stuff up I find I tend to leave him at camp even though I like him and the different twists he brings to the game.   But in playing the game 7 months, I have yet to have him as a main questing character because of all the hoops to jump through.    In future, I do intend to have him as the main warrior of the group, because I like to try to explore new plot lines etc. when it comes to replaying the game to keep things fresh, but unlike the other character's I find I need to go out of my way at thinking things through in order to use him and do affectively.


Obviously Sten is my favorite character if I am a sword n shield warrior.  To address your points.

1)  Everyone's take on convenience is different.  I find Oghren to be inconvenient, honestly.  I don't relate well to drunks.  Seriously - BW did a great job of making him the obnoxious drunk because it took a lot of playthroughs for meto know ow to chat him up.  Sten, on the other hand, made perfect sense to me.

But put those differences aside for a sec - if the conversation choices for approval were TOO obvious a) it would be boring and B) I would not really "get to know" and appreciate the character.

2)  Agility 20, Willpower 20, and strength maxed and I never use precise striking.  No problem.  My PC is so overpowered I don't mind giving Sten The Harvest Ring and the Warrior's ring to add to this cause.

3)  That's what makes him great!  Same with Zevran honestly.  I make it a point to take those characters when I'm doing missions that don't require a certain plot related character.  I take Oghren through the Deep Roads, then he gets to sit it out.  Shale fights in the Caradin fight, then she is benched.  I GUESS Alistair is your main guy for Redcliffe - but I've used Sten there without too much story missing - especially since Asala is there.  I guess bottom line is there really aren't too many characters that are "mandatory" for very long.   Al for 15 minutes in the Landsmeet.  Morrigan for 10 minutes in the Dark Ritual.  Nobody is really mandatory IMO.


4)  If his role is redundant and others can fill his role, then others' roles are redundant because Sten can fill theirs.  After level 12 none of my parties need a sword n shield warrior - Sten can fill that role.  I know a guy who won the gane with 3 mages and a rogue.  If it weren't for the lack of a "knock" spell . . . rogues would be unecessary.   So I agree that Sten's role is redundant because . . . EVERYONE is interchangeable.

5)  Again, to my mind "less obvious" is better than "too obviously easy".  I got more satisfaction in finding Asala then hooking Oghren up with Felsi.

I'm glad you are open to giving Sten a try as a more frequently played character.  He's great and his conversation is great.  Obviously, I loved playing him.

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All I can say is, aside from everyone else, is:



If Sten or any of the damn Qunari try to launch their holy war against Ferelden (perhaps a DLC??) I will do him another favor and show his race for the rabid dogs they truly are. I don't care if it's their "nature" or way of life, I ain't about to bend over and take it!

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sten and ogren are cannon fodder only,I dislike both.

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Dark Lilith wrote...

sten and ogren are cannon fodder only,I dislike both.


Awwww.. Oghren is too dwarfy to be cannon fodder! Plus "No one tosses a dwarf"!

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Nu-Nu wrote...

He had very little conversation then the others that's why he's my least liked but I still like him and the banter he has with Morrigan.


I think he has the most of any non-romanceable partymember.

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Sten is ok i prefer Shale

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Sabariel wrote...

I love Sten. I don't have to listen to his life story every time I talk to him. Just a simple "NO" or "You're doing it wrong." :wub:


*comes out of lurking for the sole reason that Sten is my favorite character*

This. It's really refreshing after trying to romance Alistair and getting that whole chick flick vibe to then go talk to Sten. Really refreshing ;)

*returns to lurking*

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Sten can go die! Still treats you relatively like crap even after you save his life by helping him find his sword. The only time he ever gave me enough respect was during the post coronation. His critique at Haven about "finding the charred remnants of a dead woman" just made me wanna impale him with my blade!

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Bahlgan wrote...

Sten can go die! Still treats you relatively like crap even after you save his life by helping him find his sword. The only time he ever gave me enough respect was during the post coronation. His critique at Haven about "finding the charred remnants of a dead woman" just made me wanna impale him with my blade!


Having to go and find the charred remnants of a dead woman made me want to impale Eamon and Teagan.

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Sten for King.


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Bahlgan wrote...

Sten can go die! Still treats you relatively like crap even after you save his life by helping him find his sword. The only time he ever gave me enough respect was during the post coronation. His critique at Haven about "finding the charred remnants of a dead woman" just made me wanna impale him with my blade!

But you are finding the charred remnants of a dead woman.

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-ßeta- wrote...

Bahlgan wrote...

Sten can go die! Still treats you relatively like crap even after you save his life by helping him find his sword. The only time he ever gave me enough respect was during the post coronation. His critique at Haven about "finding the charred remnants of a dead woman" just made me wanna impale him with my blade!

But you are finding the charred remnants of a dead woman.


You just friggin blew my mind... *glares into sun*

Actually, that would make a nice M Night Shyamalan film where the whole time it turns out that the cultists are the good guys instead... In another world..

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I didn't like Sten at all on my first playthrough. I'm going to give him a chance this time.



Oghren is awesome though. It's hilarious when he gets so drunk he starts hitting on your character in the camp.

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