But, there's a but (twice already LOL) gameplay is clunky, graphics are from let's say 2007/2008ish and animations are way worse then ME1.
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Alpha Protocol
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Posté 01 juin 2010 - 10:05
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If you're a story nut, then this is a game for you, many outcomes, a lot of characters with dossiers you can find. Also this game has a lot of choices and some are hard (better then ME even, can't believe I just said that).
But, there's a but (twice already LOL) gameplay is clunky, graphics are from let's say 2007/2008ish and animations are way worse then ME1.
But, there's a but (twice already LOL) gameplay is clunky, graphics are from let's say 2007/2008ish and animations are way worse then ME1.
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Posté 01 juin 2010 - 10:07
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I gotta hand it to the AI though... enemies actually throw grenades to flush you out so you can't spend all day hiding behind
a brick popping heads... imagine that.
From what I've read in certain reviews, reviewers were complaining they weren't hitting things with their weapons... seemingly forgetting they were playing a RPG and not ME2 or Gears of War.
I'd advise to read some more reviews from specialized sites like RPGamer before condemning the game undeservedly.
a brick popping heads... imagine that.
These reviews lie. I've had more technical problems with ME2 & DA:O than this game.eriaa wrote...
The reviews I have read have stressed nothing but bugs and poor game play, and for a game that was delayed 8 or so months, that is unacceptable.
From what I've read in certain reviews, reviewers were complaining they weren't hitting things with their weapons... seemingly forgetting they were playing a RPG and not ME2 or Gears of War.
I'd advise to read some more reviews from specialized sites like RPGamer before condemning the game undeservedly.
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Posté 01 juin 2010 - 10:10
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Most people who've played the game say it the ****. (Then again they are all on the Obsidian forums and may be a little biased.)
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Posté 01 juin 2010 - 12:14
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SpiderFan1217 wrote...
Most people who've played the game say it the ****. (Then again they are all on the Obsidian forums and may be a little biased.)
I like the gameand I'm not on the Obsidian forums (yet, that may now change :innocent:).
#156
Posté 01 juin 2010 - 01:45
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Alpha-Protocol has some anti-russian themes in it (meaning I likely wouldn't like it)... that gets boring after a while.
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Posté 01 juin 2010 - 02:12
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I might have to pick this up. I'm really skeptical about the game and I just started playing Ever Quest 2 again. Bringing my month of WoW to it's final end and make me realize why I left four years ago.
It might be good to still get involved in solid Single Player Game.
It might be good to still get involved in solid Single Player Game.
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Posté 01 juin 2010 - 02:39
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FuturePasTimeCE wrote...
Alpha-Protocol has some anti-russian themes in it (meaning I likely wouldn't like it)... that gets boring after a while.
Um what? I have played through the entire game and the only thing that comes close to it being anti-Russian is the mafia. If anything, its more anti-American than anything else (which might be the cause of why so many American reviewers hate it so...).
EDIT: Just thought I'd better make this clearer to avoid confusion, I'm not saying AP is a anti-american game, but it doesn't hold back from some characters pointing the finger so to speak. If you like your games to have your government sugar-coated as heroic good guys out to fight the evil enemies of democracy and freedom, then you might be put off with some of the things in AP.
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Posté 01 juin 2010 - 02:53
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I have this gamig coming tomorrow, and I will likely not open it and return it. I love a great story, but a great story alone cannot hold me over, the game play has to be there as well. The reviews I have read have stressed nothing but bugs and poor game play, and for a game that was delayed 8 or so months, that is unacceptable. The game really seems like a rental to me, or a game I would try out at a greatly discounted price. I am sure I will get around to it some day, but for now...I am going to return it, and grab Red Dead Redemption as I keep hearing nothing but amazing things about it, from both reviews, friends and fellow forum posters.
I still haven't found a bug in many hours of play...
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Posté 01 juin 2010 - 02:56
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FlintlockJazz wrote...
FuturePasTimeCE wrote...
Alpha-Protocol has some anti-russian themes in it (meaning I likely wouldn't like it)... that gets boring after a while.
Um what? I have played through the entire game and the only thing that comes close to it being anti-Russian is the mafia. If anything, its more anti-American than anything else (which might be the cause of why so many American reviewers hate it so...).
EDIT: Just thought I'd better make this clearer to avoid confusion, I'm not saying AP is a anti-american game, but it doesn't hold back from some characters pointing the finger so to speak. If you like your games to have your government sugar-coated as heroic good guys out to fight the evil enemies of democracy and freedom, then you might be put off with some of the things in AP.
I can verify this comment myself. Everything of it. Btw, I'm not Russian nor American.
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Posté 01 juin 2010 - 03:43
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Just got this going tech stealth with pistols, how long is this and linear or no (I hope not)?
Love being an aggressive dick though
Love being an aggressive dick though
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Posté 01 juin 2010 - 03:53
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Fizzeler wrote...
Just got this going tech stealth with pistols, how long is this and linear or no (I hope not)?
I don't know how long it is because I still haven't finished it. I'm playing a stealthy character, so I imagine that's longer than a Rambo. Some people claim to have finished it in 12 hours, I've been playing it for 20 and still have a way to go. I imagine it's comparable to Mass Effect games but I can't know for sure.
It's as linear as Bioware games. The start is linear and later you must finish some missions but you choose the order of those missions.
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Posté 01 juin 2010 - 03:54
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Just finished AP. Found it so-so. I got a good couple of days play out of it, so it wasn't a waste of money, but I doubt I'll be revisiting it anytime soon. The main plot was like Deus Ex, the tone was Deus Ex meets Deus Ex 2 (unfortunately). Pretty cookie-cutter spy thriller stuff - more Roger Moore's James Bond than Le Carre. Obsidian certainly crammed in the choices and characters, so it was a success in that sense, but nevertheless - they were crammed in. And I can't appreciate characters and choices when they're presented in that way. I just don't have a stake in them and don't find my interest engaged. Games do sometimes get it right: NWN2 introduced its chief victim near the beginning and made sure she was involved until the plot hammer descended two-thirds of the way through. More pertinently, Deus Ex gave JC Denton three very substantial missions with returns to base and conversations with the lead characters before throwing a spanner in the works. In contrast, Thornton has been at Greybox for all of ten minutes, as Mina herself points out, when he gets whisked away a la Deus Ex.
I also wasn't impressed by the modern day setting, simply because Obsidian didn't exploit it enough to justify its use. The locations were just the scenery for a spy thriller. An Asian temple here, a Renaissance pediment there, and, of course, a load of NPCs who talk to each other in heavily accented English. It would be easier to forgive the genericness of AP if Obsidian weren't conjuring up all these genuinely interesting places only to use them as window dressing for the annoyingly chirpy hero, the vamps and the megalomaniacs that make up their cast.
One more thing: I think I've had enough of codices and dossiers. No more, please. It's great that the writers have that information to draw on, and I know it saves on exposition, but what the player needs to know about the factions and characters should be in the game itself, not in the accompanying encyclopaedia. It's like going to a concert where the conductor interrupts the orchestra to read out a commentary on the score, and when he starts the music again he's lost his place and thinks he's twelve bars further on than he was.
And I'm being grouchy, I know. So I'd best mention something that AP managed perfectly: TRAINS! The trains in Alpha Protocol are fantastic. They look like real trains, they move like real trains, they sound - man, do they - they sound like real trains! Chugga-chugga-chugga-chugga-WHOOSH!
eta: I only encountered one bad bug (Thornton once froze in position after manning a turret), so comparisons to V:TM:B seem hasty.
Overall, I'd give AP 7/10
I also wasn't impressed by the modern day setting, simply because Obsidian didn't exploit it enough to justify its use. The locations were just the scenery for a spy thriller. An Asian temple here, a Renaissance pediment there, and, of course, a load of NPCs who talk to each other in heavily accented English. It would be easier to forgive the genericness of AP if Obsidian weren't conjuring up all these genuinely interesting places only to use them as window dressing for the annoyingly chirpy hero, the vamps and the megalomaniacs that make up their cast.
One more thing: I think I've had enough of codices and dossiers. No more, please. It's great that the writers have that information to draw on, and I know it saves on exposition, but what the player needs to know about the factions and characters should be in the game itself, not in the accompanying encyclopaedia. It's like going to a concert where the conductor interrupts the orchestra to read out a commentary on the score, and when he starts the music again he's lost his place and thinks he's twelve bars further on than he was.
And I'm being grouchy, I know. So I'd best mention something that AP managed perfectly: TRAINS! The trains in Alpha Protocol are fantastic. They look like real trains, they move like real trains, they sound - man, do they - they sound like real trains! Chugga-chugga-chugga-chugga-WHOOSH!
eta: I only encountered one bad bug (Thornton once froze in position after manning a turret), so comparisons to V:TM:B seem hasty.
Overall, I'd give AP 7/10
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Posté 01 juin 2010 - 03:57
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Kenrae wrote...
Fizzeler wrote...
Just got this going tech stealth with pistols, how long is this and linear or no (I hope not)?
I don't know how long it is because I still haven't finished it. I'm playing a stealthy character, so I imagine that's longer than a Rambo. Some people claim to have finished it in 12 hours, I've been playing it for 20 and still have a way to go. I imagine it's comparable to Mass Effect games but I can't know for sure.
It's as linear as Bioware games. The start is linear and later you must finish some missions but you choose the order of those missions.
That is exacly what I hoped for about 20+ hours (I can't rush a game quick enough), with a diverse semi, but not heavily linear structure
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Now to continue my aggressive stealthiness
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Posté 01 juin 2010 - 05:09
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Fizzeler wrote...
Just got this going tech stealth with pistols, how long is this and linear or no (I hope not)?
Love being an aggressive dick though
It took me 31 hours to finish it. Using stealth, Martial Arts and Pistol as my specialized skills and rifle as my secondary weapon but only invested 1 point in it
#166
Posté 01 juin 2010 - 05:24
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FlintlockJazz wrote...
Um what? I have played through the entire game and the only thing that comes close to it being anti-Russian is the mafia. If anything, its more anti-American than anything else (which might be the cause of why so many American reviewers hate it so...).
EDIT: Just thought I'd better make this clearer to avoid confusion, I'm not saying AP is a anti-american game, but it doesn't hold back from some characters pointing the finger so to speak. If you like your games to have your government sugar-coated as heroic good guys out to fight the evil enemies of democracy and freedom, then you might be put off with some of the things in AP.
It pleases me to hear this, actually. One of my earlier fears had been that Obsidian had resorted to banal, jingoistic Tom Clancy-style claptrap in their storytelling. I was hoping this wouldn't be the case, but I was still a little worried. I mean, I studied International Relations in university, and I'm pretty big on following current events, so I certainly enjoy a good political thriller-type story, but most videogames still just do a horrible job at this sort of thing. I figured that Obsidian could handle it better than most, though.
Also: thanks for the review, Colenda. A lot of reviews I've seen have focused more on gameplay flaws than the story, setting, and characters, so it's interesting to hear a critical perspective on those as well.
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Posté 01 juin 2010 - 06:14
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is this worth buying now or wait. debating would like some other gamers opinion. i read reviews they seemed mixed too me.
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Posté 01 juin 2010 - 06:43
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Its simple people, If you want an RPG, with Action RPG style combat (ME1), you'll love AP.
If you want an third person action shooter with RPG elements (ME2) you'll hate this game.
The story is good, the writing is better yet, the choices and consequences are amazing on the level of Vampire Bloodlines.
The dialogue system is better than ME, its almost on par with Fallout 2 and Bloodlines.
If you want an third person action shooter with RPG elements (ME2) you'll hate this game.
The story is good, the writing is better yet, the choices and consequences are amazing on the level of Vampire Bloodlines.
The dialogue system is better than ME, its almost on par with Fallout 2 and Bloodlines.
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Posté 01 juin 2010 - 07:00
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dewayne31 wrote...
is this worth buying now or wait. debating would like some other gamers opinion. i read reviews they seemed mixed too me.
As lukandroll says, it depends on the kind of game you like. But I think my general advice would be to wait a couple of months, until a few dollars/pounds/karbovanets/whatevers have been shaved off the price - and that way, a patch may have been be released before you play it.
Also: thanks for the review, Colenda. A lot of reviews I've seen have focused more on gameplay flaws than the story, setting, and characters, so it's interesting to hear a critical perspective on those as well.
Thank you.
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Posté 01 juin 2010 - 07:22
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The dialogue system is better than ME, its almost on par with Fallout 2 and Bloodlines.
Curious. I consider AP to have the best dialogue system I've ever seen. But I consider ME system better than Fallout 2 and Bloodlines:lol:.
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Posté 01 juin 2010 - 07:52
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Just got it on PC, so far I am enjoying it quite a bit, did a good job on the characters so far. Haven't found any glitches but the controls take a moment to adjust to after playing ME for so long.
I'm gonna take my time and enjoy this one.
I'm gonna take my time and enjoy this one.
#172
Posté 01 juin 2010 - 07:57
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I'm downloading it right now from Direct2drive. Can't wait to play it.
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Posté 01 juin 2010 - 08:51
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lukandroll wrote...
Its simple people, If you want an RPG, with Action RPG style combat (ME1), you'll love AP.
If you want an third person action shooter with RPG elements (ME2) you'll hate this game.
The story is good, the writing is better yet, the choices and consequences are amazing on the level of Vampire Bloodlines.
The dialogue system is better than ME, its almost on par with Fallout 2 and Bloodlines.
This was my reasons for getting the game and your post summarizes it perfectly (I mean the first thing I thought of when I saw the AP system was cool ME1 stuff)
The dialogue system is fun to mess with now I need to figure out how high approval I need to start a romance
Level cap?
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Posté 01 juin 2010 - 08:56
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Just playing through the tutorial right now, and so far so good.
Right in the beginning, when Thorton wakes up in an unknown medical facility and a woman comes on the intercom, I half expected it to be Miranda telling me to pick up the pistol. lol
Right in the beginning, when Thorton wakes up in an unknown medical facility and a woman comes on the intercom, I half expected it to be Miranda telling me to pick up the pistol. lol
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Posté 01 juin 2010 - 09:13
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Fizzeler wrote...
lukandroll wrote...
Its simple people, If you want an RPG, with Action RPG style combat (ME1), you'll love AP.
If you want an third person action shooter with RPG elements (ME2) you'll hate this game.
The story is good, the writing is better yet, the choices and consequences are amazing on the level of Vampire Bloodlines.
The dialogue system is better than ME, its almost on par with Fallout 2 and Bloodlines.
This was my reasons for getting the game and your post summarizes it perfectly (I mean the first thing I thought of when I saw the AP system was cool ME1 stuff)
The dialogue system is fun to mess with now I need to figure out how high approval I need to start a romance
Level cap?
Not sure what the requirements are to start a romance, think they may actually be different per character, but have no idea. The level cap when I played through it first time as a recruit was 20, dunno if it changes after completing it once.
