I guess the game's been out long enough that people don't really argue over the best way to win anymore, and maybe this thread's already been made, but lo and behold I come back to the forums after all these months to see that the freaking Tali thread/miranda/ i luv dis char threads have all made their way into the strategy forum. I guess all us tipsters were gone for too long and let our sacred guide writing and video making space get trounced on.
I think I'll make a video tonight or something.
Glad to see strategy's been crushed... -_-
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 07:54
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Disappointing perhaps. On the bright side, maybe all the posters on the character threads who normally never give strategy a second thought might try something new. Assuming anybody wants to post about it still. classes and Builds threads went silent fast. Maybe I should start writing Odes to the Widow, Charge, Singularity, Assault Armor, and Combat Drone. If I knew how to write odes.
ETA: You could at least peek at the Jack support thread and go "'Sup?" Since you started it.
ETA: You could at least peek at the Jack support thread and go "'Sup?" Since you started it.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 07:57
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To start off, Welcome back Gatsby.and concerning the addition of the fan threads being moved here, that just happened recently. I realy wish thy would move them back, I liked coming here for some intelligent conversation about various strategies, builds and such but now this forum is flooded with these character threads. It has always been called the classes, Characters, and Builds forum though. So based off of that, they belong here. I wish the would create a brand new forum for those threads. Anyways, Welcome back im looking forward to your future vids
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 07:58
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PS: yes regarding the Jack thread, they've messages you quite a few times apparently requesting that you edit the original post to become more inviting and such
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 08:01
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What, we can't talk about a character, her romance and debate about her now? You think think the miri thread is just "I love Miri" or "I want her back" then you have no clue what goes on in there.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 08:03
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Man, I like the fact the Jack thread doesn't have some massively long OP with pictures and links galore. Keep it simple.tommyt_1994 wrote...
PS: yes regarding the Jack thread, they've messages you quite a few times apparently requesting that you edit the original post to become more inviting and such
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 08:04
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I think you have missed the point of the original post.kraidy1117 wrote...
What, we can't talk about a character, her romance and debate about her now? You think think the miri thread is just "I love Miri" or "I want her back" then you have no clue what goes on in there.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 08:05
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Hopefully they'll suck it up and create a new forum subset to move them to.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 08:06
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its soul destroying. i want to talk about close quarters infilttrators but i cant see that happening anymore.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 08:08
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Pacifien wrote...
I think you have missed the point of the original post.kraidy1117 wrote...
What, we can't talk about a character, her romance and debate about her now? You think think the miri thread is just "I love Miri" or "I want her back" then you have no clue what goes on in there.
Yes I did, he is complaining that he board is now filled with love threads and that they don't do anything meangifull, in fact they do. Garrus and Miri thread are always on-topic(most of the time) and have had very good debates, thus I don't see why the Op had to make this to begin with. You can still post tips.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 08:12
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It's an odd choice to mix character discussion threads with strategy threads. Yes, you can post either one to your heart's desire, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it's an odd mix. They're two very different approaches to the game.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 08:17
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Pacifien wrote...
It's an odd choice to mix character discussion threads with strategy threads. Yes, you can post either one to your heart's desire, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it's an odd mix. They're two very different approaches to the game.
The thread is called characters, classes and builds.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 08:21
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Yes, I know. It's been called that since the day the forum was created. The sticky originally mentioned it was discussion about your characters, the classes, and your builds. You might also notice the stickies currently on this forum are about classes and builds. For over three months, posters used the forum to discuss classes and builds.kraidy1117 wrote...
The thread is called characters, classes and builds.
Was the intent ever to put the character threads in here? I don't know. But it wasn't used that way until the moderators moved all the character threads here.
It is still an odd mix.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 08:23
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The character threads are useless. Nothing you talk about matters to the story and everyone has seen the cinematics so there's nothing to discuss.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 08:26
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FFTARoxorz05 wrote...
The character threads are useless. Nothing you talk about matters to the story and everyone has seen the cinematics so there's nothing to discuss.
*facepalm* you cleary have never been in one, if you did you would know that we talk about the character, we debate about the character,talk about our dislikes and likes, what we thought of the romance, what he wished should have happened, share fan fictions nad get togetehr with fans. Thats how the Miri and Garrus threads are like, before you run your mouth, know what your talking about.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 08:30
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Aye dark times indeed now that the creepy love threads are here<_<
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 08:30
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Pacifien wrote...
Yes, I know. It's been called that since the day the forum was created. The sticky originally mentioned it was discussion about your characters, the classes, and your builds. You might also notice the stickies currently on this forum are about classes and builds. For over three months, posters used the forum to discuss classes and builds.kraidy1117 wrote...
The thread is called characters, classes and builds.
Was the intent ever to put the character threads in here? I don't know. But it wasn't used that way until the moderators moved all the character threads here.
It is still an odd mix.
I think they just wanted to move it because of angry posters not liking the fan threads. They should have there own forum, but I don't see why we can't have support threads with tips. Really there is only seven active support threads, the others pop up now and then.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 08:33
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the point of the character threads seems to be to 'win' by having the thread higher on the first page and with a greater number of total pages. which leaves only a couple of spaces for real strategy threads.
what i'd like is a sticky thread up the top which can hold links to all the big classes and strategies threads. not the 'should i go soldier or infiltrator' ones, but the 'soldier: insanity tips' ones. you know?
what i'd like is a sticky thread up the top which can hold links to all the big classes and strategies threads. not the 'should i go soldier or infiltrator' ones, but the 'soldier: insanity tips' ones. you know?
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 08:35
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numotsbane wrote...
the point of the character threads seems to be to 'win' by having the thread higher on the first page and with a greater number of total pages. which leaves only a couple of spaces for real strategy threads.
what i'd like is a sticky thread up the top which can hold links to all the big classes and strategies threads. not the 'should i go soldier or infiltrator' ones, but the 'soldier: insanity tips' ones. you know?
Thats not the point, as I have sad many times, know what you are talking about before you say anything bad about the threads. I see alot of tip threads on the front page, same as support threads.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 08:52
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Remember:
If you spend a lot of time discussing the possible motives and inner lives of fictional characters in a character-driven game, you're creepy and obsessive and should be shunned.
If you spend a lot of time discussing how to get 2% bigger imaginary numbers from a game with fictional characters, you're engaged in a sacred practice that must be permitted to flourish in isolation.
I'm not big on either, personally, but it seems like kind of a double standard. There's no hints Bioware will use character thread information to flesh them out, and there's no hints Bioware will send you prizes if you make an Infiltrator who manages a DPS .3 higher than the next best build. You're all indulging your personal weird obsessions in here; I just think of it as the "thinking a lot about Mass Effect details" forum.
If you spend a lot of time discussing the possible motives and inner lives of fictional characters in a character-driven game, you're creepy and obsessive and should be shunned.
If you spend a lot of time discussing how to get 2% bigger imaginary numbers from a game with fictional characters, you're engaged in a sacred practice that must be permitted to flourish in isolation.
I'm not big on either, personally, but it seems like kind of a double standard. There's no hints Bioware will use character thread information to flesh them out, and there's no hints Bioware will send you prizes if you make an Infiltrator who manages a DPS .3 higher than the next best build. You're all indulging your personal weird obsessions in here; I just think of it as the "thinking a lot about Mass Effect details" forum.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 08:58
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kraidy1117 wrote...
FFTARoxorz05 wrote...
The character threads are useless. Nothing you talk about matters to the story and everyone has seen the cinematics so there's nothing to discuss.
*facepalm* you cleary have never been in one, if you did you would know that we talk about the character, we debate about the character,talk about our dislikes and likes, what we thought of the romance, what he wished should have happened, share fan fictions nad get togetehr with fans. Thats how the Miri and Garrus threads are like, before you run your mouth, know what your talking about.
You know those discussions don't mean anything unless you're actually on the development team, right? Its like debating whether balrogs have wings, except instead of something no one cares about from a novel, you're doing it about video game characters.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 09:23
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I have to agree that it is an odd mix, because the classes and builds threads are for those players who care most about the game aspect of ME2, while the character threads are for those who care about the story aspects more. For that reason, I think the character threads had a better place in the quests and storyline forum.
That this forum has seen less traffic I attribute to three facts: First, ME2 isn't that hard in the first place, so strategy and builds only continue to count for the minority of players who play on Insanity (for myself, I never saw a reason to care about it until I played on Insanity - at which point I posted my questions in this forum). Second, builds aren't permanent, and character builds advice really only matters until Horizon, where you get the ability to redistribute your points - one "gamey" aspect I very much dislike, I might add. And third, ME2 builds are rather simple, compared, for instance, with DAO builds, where I had to think quite a bit to get the ability synergy I wanted.
I'm not quite happy to be here, not because I don't like it here, but because I must now visit two forums instead of one to get to the topics most important to me (which are those who touch the story aspect). But I take it as an opportunity to read more from those who play the game with a different mindset. Perhaps the original inhabitants of this forum could bring themselves to do the same.
That this forum has seen less traffic I attribute to three facts: First, ME2 isn't that hard in the first place, so strategy and builds only continue to count for the minority of players who play on Insanity (for myself, I never saw a reason to care about it until I played on Insanity - at which point I posted my questions in this forum). Second, builds aren't permanent, and character builds advice really only matters until Horizon, where you get the ability to redistribute your points - one "gamey" aspect I very much dislike, I might add. And third, ME2 builds are rather simple, compared, for instance, with DAO builds, where I had to think quite a bit to get the ability synergy I wanted.
I'm not quite happy to be here, not because I don't like it here, but because I must now visit two forums instead of one to get to the topics most important to me (which are those who touch the story aspect). But I take it as an opportunity to read more from those who play the game with a different mindset. Perhaps the original inhabitants of this forum could bring themselves to do the same.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 09:33
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This subforum has, for months, been dedicated almost solely to the discussion of builds and strategy, interspersed rarely with a bit of fanart or whatever. It was, in essence, the Gameplay and Strategy forum in all but name, posted in mostly by people interested in discussing the gameplay rather than the story and the intracacies of its characters.
I understand there's some value in character discussion threads, but you must understand that the front page of this subforum is now flooded with these threads that sit in jarring juxtaposition against the majority of the gameplay-oriented topics they have choked and drowned.
In short, this is Shanxi and your character threads are the Turians. There's going to be some hostility.
I understand there's some value in character discussion threads, but you must understand that the front page of this subforum is now flooded with these threads that sit in jarring juxtaposition against the majority of the gameplay-oriented topics they have choked and drowned.
In short, this is Shanxi and your character threads are the Turians. There's going to be some hostility.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 09:38
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The thing is: it's not the character thread's fault that they were moved here. It was a choice the mods made. The explanation given is that this is the 'characters' forum (even though the origional sticky made it quite clear that it did not mean character discussion in that sense). They have even changed the forum description to suit this. I agree that it seemd a bozarre choice, and that it leaves strategy and tactics discussions at a disadvantage, but I don't understand why people feel the need to complain about what they view as 'spam' of the character threads, with 'comlaining about the character threads' threads. There are almost as many of these types of threads littering the forums (although it's true they tend to drop off the front pages much faster). People complain that the character threads are dividing the fourms along fanbase lines, but the only time I actually feel division is along the 'fan thread/no fanthread' lines, and to be honest, most of the people in the fan threads (most, I said) are just there to discuss the characters they love in a go-with-the-flow kind of conversation, or to share cool fic/artwork they've found. Aside from making people have to scroll down a little (and it isn't really the threads fault that they are so popular), I don't understand why this is such a bad thing that it demands the amount of negative reaction it gets.
Ecael has a thread running (which I apologise, but I can't search for now) with adblocking for the threads, if they are that bothersome. And alos good discussion about moving them to their own sub-forum. The latest I heard on why they were moved here is because 'people were complaining about spoilers' in the story forum, and 'this is the character forum'. Make of that what you will.
Ecael has a thread running (which I apologise, but I can't search for now) with adblocking for the threads, if they are that bothersome. And alos good discussion about moving them to their own sub-forum. The latest I heard on why they were moved here is because 'people were complaining about spoilers' in the story forum, and 'this is the character forum'. Make of that what you will.
