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[LdyShayna]

Yeah, I'm still not done with my play through.  I'm one of those slow and methodical players. 
I have gotten to the point where I saved the Arl by giving him the ashes and am off to save Anora from that vile serpent Arl Howe (may he die a thousand deaths by squirrel bite), in case you are wondering where I am in the story.  Alistair is all lovey-dovey, and despite that fact that I hadn't planned to have my character sleep with him, he was pretty darn persuasive when he decied that's what he wanted to do...so...yeah, the romance is all in full bloom and all.

I did, unfortunately, read a spoiler where Alistair sacrifices himself to defeat the archdemon.  This would make me...grumpy.  I don't like those sorts of endings.  If it's truly unavoidable, I'll prefer to just start over and avoid his romance altogether - and yes, that means starting OVER over, and losing..errr...about 60 hours of play time, I think.

Please, someone tell me this is avoidable and how?  I don't mind spoilers.  My poor Mariah Cousland has lost enough loved ones in this game.

[Mesecina]

It surely is possible though it involves a rather painful twist just as well but no one dies at least

You'll know it when you'll see it don't worry



SPOILER

It has something to do with Morrigan

[LdyShayna]

Mesecina wrote...
You'll know it when you'll see it don't worry

Thank you.

SPOILER
It has something to do with Morrigan

Hmmm...I haven't had her in my party since I entered the mage's tower.  Do I need to have completed her side quest?

[fainez]

nope

[Mesecina]

I don't think so



SPOILER



From what I gather it's the real reason Flemeth sent her with you anyways. Though be warned that twist is quite cruel even if no one dies

[MightySword]

LdyShayna wrote...
Please, someone tell me this is avoidable and how?  I don't mind spoilers.  My poor Mariah Cousland has lost enough loved ones in this game.

Llike others said there is an alternative, although knowing you I suspect you'll find it just as painful if not more.


I would say press on though, since playing as a human noble origin you have a unique ending option only available this origin, I recommend you make the most out of it.

[LdyShayna]

MightySword wrote...
Llike others said there is an alternative, although knowing you I suspect you'll find it just as painful if not more.

That will be a trick.  My enthusiasm for actually finishing the game is waning.  *sighs*

I would say press on though, since playing as a human noble origin you have a unique ending option only available this origin, I recommend you make the most out of it.

Hmmm....maybe. 

[Mary Kirby]

Alternatively, just don't bring Alistair to the archdemon battle.

[MightySword]

Since Shayna is asking about the ending so I guess she knows this spoiler already, but if you don't bring Alistair with you wouldn't your PC will die instead? I think she's trying to avoid the someone die scenario.

Modifié par MightySword, 09 novembre 2009 - 04:37 .

[MrGOH]

Something objectionable is going to happen any way you slice it, LdyShayna. But nobody's gotta die, and the romance doesn't have to end. It will be clear what the options are when they present themselves.

Edit: By objectionable, I mean you or your character is going to have make hard choices about what to do and what's acceptable.

Edit: She doesn't know the specific spoilery info, just that a dev had on his profile that alistair sacrificed himself. Not why or how.

Modifié par MrGOH, 09 novembre 2009 - 04:43 .

[Guurzak]

I have to say that I'm baffled by all of the angst over the Morrigan option. I haven't gotten to that part of the story yet so I don't know how it's presented, but I just don't see how a single instance of infidelity, with the full knowledge and consent of everyone involved, can be "just as painful if not more" as Alistair's death (or your own).



If the woman I loved came to me and said "we have a choice to make- one of us can die, or you can spend a few minutes with Morrigan to fix the problem, and I'm REALLY TORN about it", my reaction would be "you better un-torn yourself fast, because if you would rather see either of us dead than see me with another woman one single time, then you obviously love your romantic ideals more than the real person in front of you."

[LdyShayna]

imported_beer wrote...
It is sad really. To kill the archdemon, a grey warden MUST die. Either you or Alistair.

Morrigan will come and suggest a ritual and if you convince him to do that- then both of you will survive the ending. The ritual is not pleasant.

If you refuse, Morrigan will leave and even if you decide to save the lands Alistair will sacrifice to save his lady love.

BUT if you leave him to defend the enemy gates instead of taking him in your party during the last battle, he cannot sacrifice himself. He will refer to you broadly in the end speech and that's that.

/I was bummed by it.

 

Hmm..thanks for the details.  Morrigan will come regardless of whether or not she is in the party, yes?

[MrGOH]

Guurzak wrote...

I have to say that I'm baffled by all of the angst over the Morrigan option. I haven't gotten to that part of the story yet so I don't know how it's presented, but I just don't see how a single instance of infidelity, with the full knowledge and consent of everyone involved, can be "just as painful if not more" as Alistair's death (or your own).

If the woman I loved came to me and said "we have a choice to make- one of us can die, or you can spend a few minutes with Morrigan to fix the problem, and I'm REALLY TORN about it", my reaction would be "you better un-torn yourself fast, because if you would rather see either of us dead than see me with another woman one single time, then you obviously love your romantic ideals more than the real person in front of you."

It's not so much infidelity but helping Morrigan succeed in her mysterious plan. For me it was even more forboding since she had both of Flemeth's grimoire's.




****HUGE SPOILER AHEAD****



I mean, Morrigan has designs on carrying a baby to term who's basically housing the spirit of a dead god. It's like a super-duper abomination. And she has Flemeth's knowledge; who knows if what she tells you about Flemeth is truthful.






****END BIG HUGE SPOILER*****

[Trelow-LMG]

Guurzak wrote...

I have to say that I'm baffled by all of the angst over the Morrigan option. I haven't gotten to that part of the story yet so I don't know how it's presented, but I just don't see how a single instance of infidelity, with the full knowledge and consent of everyone involved, can be "just as painful if not more" as Alistair's death (or your own).

If the woman I loved came to me and said "we have a choice to make- one of us can die, or you can spend a few minutes with Morrigan to fix the problem, and I'm REALLY TORN about it", my reaction would be "you better un-torn yourself fast, because if you would rather see either of us dead than see me with another woman one single time, then you obviously love your romantic ideals more than the real person in front of you."

Well some people happen to believe some things are greater than life and death.

[Guurzak]

MrGOH wrote...It's not so much infidelity but helping Morrigan succeed in her mysterious plan. For me it was even more forboding since she had both of Flemeth's grimoire's.

Ouch. You know, I did know about all that and just wasn't putting the issues together. I agree that giving Morrigan that kind of potential is dangerous, and possibly worth a death to prevent. Good call.

[Toom316]

I think some people are leaving out some key info with Morrigan. If you happen to go through with that and have followed her story from the beginning. Then you will know that Flem is looking for a new body to house her (regardless if you kill or early on or not - at some point she is going to die and will need a new host - This is hinted at all throughout the lore between Flem and Morrigan.)



What might be interesting to speculate is what would happen if Flem took over the body of someone that also housed the body of a demon? Or the more open option being that Flem is indeed a Archdemon herself brought into the world just the same way by being born from another person that just so happened to have been to close to a Archdemon at the time of its death (or it could have been planned).



Thinking of it that way does bring some sense to Flem's stories. Evidence has been found that Flem survives for such a long time by taking a new host and living tell that host is all but ready to die. This would in essence be the same thing that a archdemon does. With the exception being that a archdemon (atleast so far) has been seen in the form of a dragon something that doesn't die by natural causes in a normal lifespan.



If thats the case then would a child born from a female that is a archdemon be considered a mini-archdemon or something? Because for all intensive purposes Morrigan might be such a creature. We do not really know since all that Morrigan ever digs into and says is that she was raised by Flem (not necessary born from Flem). But that doesn't mean Flem couldn't have taken over the body of a female that was with child and then given birth..



Hmm..

[kaispan]

Ughh all the end-game scenarios with Alistair just tied me up in knots, I felt so terrible for my PC. Trying to convince Alistair to accept Morrigan's offer was incredibly difficult--he totally rages at you if you tell him the plan (sounding about like he did if you try to spare Loghain); he is so firmly against it that I couldn't make him, and he was so relieved when I said forget it...



In theory I like all these complicated tragic endings but actually going through them is quite painful. =/

[LdyShayna]

kaispan wrote...

In theory I like all these complicated tragic endings but actually going through them is quite painful. =/

See, my problem is that I don't even like them in theory.  I had been under the impression that through hard work and such you can have a reasonably happy ending.  Doesn't seem like it's true.  I am pretty unhappy right now.

I'm tired today, though, so I won't comment further.  Thanks for the info everyone.