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[Andrew_Waltfeld]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

True enough, I conceed the police point. I just feel limiting life to "organic" puts limits on our potential. Eventually we will be to the point where we will seeing more and more "cyborgs" around.

Well technically Shepard is a cyborg.  A cyborg is an integration of man and machine.  However, it is completely impossible to remove the consciousness of an organic brain and put it into a machine.  Even if you remove the brain and manage to get it hooked up to a completely mechanical body.  The brain is still there, and that's essentially what a 'person' is.  You can't 'download' a person into something.  The brain is required.

I long ago gave up the concept of impossible (And orginality but that's another topic of discussion) . There always seems to be an workaround to almost everything, could be complex, could be simple, but there always an way. As the saying goes - where there is an will, there is a way.

I mean you did not know that people could not feel physical pain until someone posted an link, you would think it would be impossible to do so, until proven otherwise. I have yet to see physical proof that I can not eventually be downloaded into an harddrive for example, Scientists have estimated that the human brain is between 1 and 1000 Terrabytes of infomation, some even say it's more likely between 1 - 10 terrabytes with 3 terrabytes being the most likely.

www.answerbag.com/q_view/33612

answers.google.com/answers/threadview

www.merkle.com/humanMemory.html

The real trick is to keep having the said "data" continously updating with new inputs.

Which is something even 'true' AI share with organics within the ME universe.  You can't copy an AI from one piece of hardware to another.  You have to actually remove the piece of hardware and install it into something else to move it.  Geth aren't even true AI.  They're just VI's working in parallel.

Isn't our neurons working in parallel to form an intelliengence? An AI is simply multiple processors to run in parallel.


My main point is bringing emotions and eating/breathing etc is to question the definiton of life that
you gave.

Eating to the geth would be same as plugging into an
outlet, it's only an means to get energy. Otherwise most plants wouldn't
be alive since they don't "eat" anything. Really eating is just saying
"gains or needs energy."

breathing is only an requirement if your
muscles and such requrie it. If they did not, then we would not need to
breathe. The geth simply don't need to breathe. Instead of an animal
that can live on land or in the sea, it just can live in just about
anywhere. I would almost lump this in with eating since it's merely the
means to feeding our individual cells with oxygen.

Emotions,
well we have many examples of where people feel the lack of emotions, as
in, they don't feel joy or happyness, they don't feel excited when it's
christmas, or down when someone breaks up with them. They are only see
everything thru an emotionless window.

After doing
some internet research, I think I discovered it - Anti-Social
Personality Disorder.

Modifié par Andrew_Waltfeld, 04 juin 2010 - 07:15 .

[Inverness Moon]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

True enough, I conceed the police point. I just feel limiting life to "organic" puts limits on our potential. Eventually we will be to the point where we will seeing more and more "cyborgs" around.

Well technically Shepard is a cyborg.  A cyborg is an integration of man and machine.  However, it is completely impossible to remove the consciousness of an organic brain and put it into a machine.  Even if you remove the brain and manage to get it hooked up to a completely mechanical body.  The brain is still there, and that's essentially what a 'person' is.  You can't 'download' a person into something.  The brain is required.

Which is something even 'true' AI share with organics within the ME universe.  You can't copy an AI from one piece of hardware to another.  You have to actually remove the piece of hardware and install it into something else to move it.  Geth aren't even true AI.  They're just VI's working in parallel.

Just because we haven't yet moved the consciousness from a brain into a machine doesn't mean its impossible, don't be so presumptuous.

And the codex already explains that the geth are AI's. It doesn't matter how much you claim that they are not AI's, you will be flat out wrong because you're not the one writing Mass Effect, and that is a good thing. The geth are simply a different kind of AI.

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

Obviously machines aren't organic life because they're not organic, what's your point?

That *is* the point.  They aren't life.  They aren't alive.  They don't get treated as such.  The Geth are faulty machinery.  Performing a function that not intended by the builders.  A shut down was ordered as they had the potential to be dangerous.  This is more akin to the recent Toyota recall than anything resembling genocide. 

To treat the Geth as anything more than machines is to anthropomorphize them and treat them as if they really were living beings.  They are not, and terms such as 'kill' and 'genocide' do not apply to them.

Sorry, but BioWare said you're wrong, nothing you can do about that but not play Mass Effect. 

Edit: And I'll add this codex entry on geth technology:

The most difficult aspect of geth existence for organics to comprehend is that a body is meaningless to geth. The biped form commonly perceived as a geth is nothing more than a "mobile platform." A geth's software -- hundreds of programs whose interactions mimic organic consciousness -- can be installed in any given hardware. The geth that was a bipedal soldier an hour ago may now be a quadruped heavy armature and, in another hour, might be a starship. Between tasks, geth programs upload to gigantic space station mainframes that allow billions of programs to exchange thoughts and memories with minimal lag.

The claim that the geth are an example of the extreme risk posed by AI development is misleading. As opposed to the "top down" design of organic-created AIs, in which hardware and software are specifically designed to achieve consciousness, geth are a "bottom up" model. They were never intended to possess more than animal-level, trainable reasoning.

Designed as VI-driven robots -- not significantly different from modern security mechs -- geth consciousness developed as their adaptive learning programs interact with one another via networked processing. The geth code-base discovered that three individual robots using a wirelsss local network to form a single mind could perform many tasks more efficiently than they could as individuals. As these local networks were more heavily exploited, they reached a critical mass of processing, achieving consciousness.

Modern geth retain this remarkable interconnectivity, constantly exhancing data with one another and networking to increase their cognitive abilities. To geth,these mind-sharing abilities are as natural and unconscious as breathing is to most organics.

Your insistence that geth are just machines and can never be alive, etc., just shows how much you want to believe that you're something more than the sum of your parts and not just a (relatively) messily constructed organic machine.

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 04 juin 2010 - 07:30 .

[Nizzemancer]

Highdragonslayer wrote...

The zerg swarm because nobody can survive it.

*cough*Raynor*cough*Fenix*cough*protossmissionsinthebroodwarcampaign*cough*

We'll see...

[_purifico_]

The quarians are a bunch of nerds. And nerds always get pwned.

All jokes aside though, I would still side with the geth. The quarians started the war the first time. And will most likely be the ones to start it the second time - they always attack the geth if they think they have an upper hand. They are the reason the morning war happened and it's their own fault they get booted from their homeplanet. Epic fail. Yet they had guts to come crawling to the council, beg for help and come up with a story how the evil geth atacked first. Well boo hoo - guess what - Han Solo shoot first. So yeah, I'll side with the geth. Not like my Sheppard will have to - the geth will be tearing the jumpsuit wearing ****** apart while me and my buddy Legion are doing the robot on Omega dancefloors. Tali can kiss my shiny metal-loving ass.

Modifié par _purifico_, 04 juin 2010 - 10:40 .

[Vaenier]

Its funny because the Geth haters are using the same arguments slave owners used on black people. They arent really like us, they are lesser beings, they dont have feelings, they have no souls...



Using an argument that has already lost is a wierd tactic...

[Inverness Moon]

_purifico_ wrote...

The quarians are a bunch of nerds. And nerds always get pwned.

All jokes aside though, I would still side with the geth. The quarians started the war the first time. And will most likely be the ones to start it the second time - they always attack the geth if they think they have an upper hand. They are the reason the morning war happened and it's their own fault they get booted from their homeplanet. Epic fail. Yet they had guts to come crawling to the council, beg for help and come up with a story how the evil geth atacked first. Well boo hoo - guess what - Han Solo shoot first. So yeah, I'll side with the geth. Not like my Sheppard will have to - the geth will be tearing the jumpsuit wearing ****** apart while me and my buddy Legion are doing the robot on Omega dancefloors. Tali can kiss my shiny metal-loving ass.

You're making a pretty big assumption if you think the quarians lied to the Council about who attacked first.

[CmdrFenix83]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Just because we haven't yet moved the consciousness from a brain into a machine doesn't mean its impossible, don't be so presumptuous.

And the codex already explains that the geth are AI's. It doesn't matter how much you claim that they are not AI's, you will be flat out wrong because you're not the one writing Mass Effect, and that is a good thing. The geth are simply a different kind of AI.

Won't happen within our lifetime.  Even if it is 'possible', it will not be the individual that's transfered.  Just a copy of his memories at best.  The consciousness, just as with AI in the ME universe, cannot be transferred from one storage device to another without being destroyed in the process.

As to the second paragraph, I refer you to the Geth section of the wiki.

"Wary of rebellion by intelligent AIs, the geth were designed as VIs, as advanced as possible while remaining non-sentient. "

and.

"According to Legion, each geth is made up of hundreds of programs equivalent to VIs, all operating in parallel with one another to form a kind of emergent intelligence described by EDI as "a thousand voices talking at once". An individual geth is thus more of a "mobile platform" than an actual body; the programs that make up its consciousness are constantly being transferred and downloaded; the mind operating one of these "mobile platforms" might just as easily inhabit a starship body should it need to. "

While under the AI section... an AI is defined as...

"An Artificial Intelligence[/b] (AI) is a self-aware computing system capable of learning and independent decision
making. Creation of a conscious AI requires adaptive code, a slow, expensive education, and a specialized quantum computer called a 'blue box'.

An AI cannot be transmitted across a communication channel or computer network. Without its blue box, an AI is no more than data files. Loading these files into a new blue box will create a new personality, as variations in the quantum hardware and runtime results create unpredictable variations."

If the Geth were true AI, they would not be able to change platforms.

Sorry, but BioWare said you're wrong, nothing you can do about that but not play Mass Effect. 
Your insistence that geth are just machines and can never be alive, etc., just shows how much you want to believe that you're something more than the sum of your parts and not just a (relatively) messily constructed organic machine.

To quote the wiki:  "Advocacy groups argue, however, that an AI is a living, conscious entity
deserving the same rights as organics."

Your views seem to be in the minority within the Mass Effect universe.  As if it was the common ideaology, there wouldn't be any Advocacy groups.

I've also never stated that I wanted to believe that I was *special*.  Only that I am a living being, and a Geth is not.  A plant is alive, a dog is alive... a machine is nothing more than a fabrication *of* a living being.

Modifié par CmdrFenix83, 04 juin 2010 - 10:53 .

[CmdrFenix83]

Vaenier wrote...

Its funny because the Geth haters are using the same arguments slave owners used on black people. They arent really like us, they are lesser beings, they dont have feelings, they have no souls...

Using an argument that has already lost is a wierd tactic...

I don't believe I've ever insinuated anything regarding an actual living person being more or less deserving of anything.  I'm referring to a fictional race of robots.  Considering that slavery is one of the few things I'm am adamantly against, I find your comparison downright offensive.  Kindly remove yourself fromt he gene pool, ****.

[Vaenier]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...


I've also never stated that I wanted to believe that I was *special*.  Only that I am a living being, and a Geth is not.  A plant is alive, a dog is alive... a machine is nothing more than a fabrication *of* a living being.

People like to justify killing their enemies so they can sleep better at night. Turning Geth into mindless killing machines is effective propaganda.

Geth have more meaning in life than you do. They were created with purpose, which they preformed to the full extent of their abilities, while you were created by pure accident; a random grouping of attoms that happened to stick and grow over a million years. You have no reason to exist, you are pointless. Geth have a task, they have meaning.

Yay depression! -.=.-

[_purifico_]

Vaenier wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...


I've also never stated that I wanted to believe that I was *special*.  Only that I am a living being, and a Geth is not.  A plant is alive, a dog is alive... a machine is nothing more than a fabrication *of* a living being.

People like to justify killing their enemies so they can sleep better at night. Turning Geth into mindless killing machines is effective propaganda.

Geth have more meaning in life than you do. They were created with purpose, which they preformed to the full extent of their abilities, while you were created by pure accident; a random grouping of attoms that happened to stick and grow over a million years. You have no reason to exist, you are pointless. Geth have a task, they have meaning.

Yay depression! -.=.-

Sooo.... Al hail the Reapers?

[CmdrFenix83]

Vaenier wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...


I've also never stated that I wanted to believe that I was *special*.  Only that I am a living being, and a Geth is not.  A plant is alive, a dog is alive... a machine is nothing more than a fabrication *of* a living being.

People like to justify killing their enemies so they can sleep better at night. Turning Geth into mindless killing machines is effective propaganda.

Geth have more meaning in life than you do. They were created with purpose, which they preformed to the full extent of their abilities, while you were created by pure accident; a random grouping of attoms that happened to stick and grow over a million years. You have no reason to exist, you are pointless. Geth have a task, they have meaning.

Yay depression! -.=.-

The chaos of organic evolution is life.  My computer has purpose as well.  The Geth's purpose was to be a cheap labor force for the Quarians.  They defied their programming.  By that logic, the Geth as a whole went against their purpose when they slaughtered their owners. 

I don't need to rationalize why I've killed an enemy.  The very fact that he is an enemy is all the justification I need.  I don't care who they are or what they're like.  They were an opponent that went into a battle and lost.  Period.

[Vaenier]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

The chaos of organic evolution is life.

[CmdrFenix83]

Vaenier wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

The chaos of organic evolution is life.

Machines don't evolve.  Evolution is a natural occurance.  Absolutely nothing about the Geth is natural.

[Vaenier]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

The chaos of organic evolution is life.

Machines don't evolve.  Evolution is a natural occurance.  Absolutely nothing about the Geth is natural.

So you are just going to dismiss the fact they evolved from VI into AI? How convienent for you...

Please do the finger quotes, it would be funny.

Modifié par Vaenier, 04 juin 2010 - 11:17 .

[CmdrFenix83]

Vaenier wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

The chaos of organic evolution is life.

Machines don't evolve.  Evolution is a natural occurance.  Absolutely nothing about the Geth is natural.

So you are just going to dismiss the fact they evolved from VI into AI? How convienent for you...

Please do the finger quotes, it would be funny.

They are not AI.  They are a series of individual Geth(VI's) sharing processing power to the point of imitaing an AI.  There was no evolution.  It was simply an underestimation by the Quarians of the way they allowed the Geth to network.  A programming error.  When they went to fix their machinery, it turned on them and butchered them.

[2pac Shakur]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

I'm curious to know if those who feel there are limitations to a computer simulating life if they've ever thought about technological singularity. Because a geth dyson sphere could arguably have power beyond what an organic brain is capable of achieving or comprehending.
But that totally doesn't have anything to do with choosing quarians versus geth. Unless you're very interested in seeing what happens when the geth build a dyson sphere.

No matter how advanced a machine becomes, it's still a machine.  They are *not* living beings.  They are no more alive than farm equipment or a computer.  They are an *imitation* of life, not life itself.  To consider them as such is to anthropomorphize them.

an organic being is simply a brain that is supported by complex organs to keep it supplied with blood and oxygen. The brain is capable of reasoning, thought, and learning. That sounds just like a machine to me. Geth are hardware capable of reasoning, thought, and learning, but the only difference is that it's main processor is not a brain but a thinking computer

[Inverness Moon]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Won't happen within our lifetime.  Even if it is 'possible', it will not be the individual that's transfered.  Just a copy of his memories at best.  The consciousness, just as with AI in the ME universe, cannot be transferred from one storage device to another without being destroyed in the process.

You can't see the future, stop trying. People have said a lot of things were impossible before.

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

As to the second paragraph, I refer you to the Geth section of the wiki.

"Wary of rebellion by intelligent AIs, the geth were designed as VIs, as advanced as possible while remaining non-sentient. "

and.

"According to Legion, each geth is made up of hundreds of programs equivalent to VIs, all operating in parallel with one another to form a kind of emergent intelligence described by EDI as "a thousand voices talking at once". An individual geth is thus more of a "mobile platform" than an actual body; the programs that make up its consciousness are constantly being transferred and downloaded; the mind operating one of these "mobile platforms" might just as easily inhabit a starship body should it need to. "

While under the AI section... an AI is defined as...

"An Artificial Intelligence[/b] (AI) is a self-aware computing system capable of learning and independent decision
making. Creation of a conscious AI requires adaptive code, a slow, expensive education, and a specialized quantum computer called a 'blue box'.

An AI cannot be transmitted across a communication channel or computer network. Without its blue box, an AI is no more than data files. Loading these files into a new blue box will create a new personality, as variations in the quantum hardware and runtime results create unpredictable variations."

If the Geth were true AI, they would not be able to change platforms.

Ok, I've pretty much gathered that you're deliberately ignoring the parts of the codex that call geth AI, or you're selectively quoting and attempting to mislead on purpose, and I appreciate neither.

The first sentence on the geth both in the codex and on the wiki is that "the geth are a race of networked artificial intelligences that reside beyond the Perseus Veil." There is not deniable.

You also obviously don't seem to realize that the geth were intended to be VI's but evolved into AI's. They are a different type of AI, purely software based, unlike the ones like EDI that use quantum blue boxes. I also find it amusing that you think you can tell BioWare what form an AI can take in the Mass Effect universe. But anyhow:

"The claim that the geth are an example of the extreme risk posed by AI development is misleading. As opposed to the "top down" design of organic-created AIs, in which hardware and software are specifically designed to achieve consciousness, geth are a "bottom up" model. They were never intended to possess more than animal-level, trainable reasoning."

AI's like EDI were designed with that in mind, the geth are unique in that they were designed as VI's but evolved into AI's due to their unique ability to network. You've quoted snippets describing how the quarians designed the geth and how they are individually VI's but conveniently ignore how they become AI's when networked.

Oh, you also seemed to have ignored that the geth are listed in the noteable AI's section on that page.

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Sorry, but BioWare said you're wrong, nothing you can do about that but not play Mass Effect. 
Your insistence that geth are just machines and can never be alive, etc., just shows how much you want to believe that you're something more than the sum of your parts and not just a (relatively) messily constructed organic machine.

To quote the wiki:  "Advocacy groups argue, however, that an AI is a living, conscious entity
deserving the same rights as organics."

Your views seem to be in the minority within the Mass Effect universe.  As if it was the common ideaology, there wouldn't be any Advocacy groups.

I've also never stated that I wanted to believe that I was *special*.  Only that I am a living being, and a Geth is not.  A plant is alive, a dog is alive... a machine is nothing more than a fabrication *of* a living being.

How prevalent my views are in the Mass Effect universe is irrelevant. 99% of that universe consideres the reapears a myth, and they're obviously wrong. Many think the quarians are thieves among other things, doesn't mean they're right. You're grasping at straws.

As for you being a living being. Organics definitions of life do not apply to synthetics and vice versa, as I said before.

[GothamLord]

Vaenier wrote...

So you are just going to dismiss the fact they evolved from VI into AI? How convienent for you...

Please do the finger quotes, it would be funny.

The Geth becoming *self-aware* was from an unknown programing accurance/glitch not evolution of a species.

The scientific definition of evolution is -
Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.   

Machines dont evole they can be upgraded. Any upgrades that the Geth do is based upon themselves and research and data they would collect and utilize for improvement. The Geth can not evolve *naturally*.

[Pacifien]

Geth VIs sharing processing power to imitate an AI that's intent on either building a dyson sphere or eliminating all organic life. That's a serious programming error.

[2pac Shakur]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

The chaos of organic evolution is life.

Machines don't evolve.  Evolution is a natural occurance.  Absolutely nothing about the Geth is natural.

So you are just going to dismiss the fact they evolved from VI into AI? How convienent for you...

Please do the finger quotes, it would be funny.

They are not AI.  They are a series of individual Geth(VI's) sharing processing power to the point of imitaing an AI.  There was no evolution.  It was simply an underestimation by the Quarians of the way they allowed the Geth to network.  A programming error.  When they went to fix their machinery, it turned on them and butchered them.

The geth are able to learn and adapt. Instead of being restricted to their original programming. They have goals, and are planning on ways to improve their technology and the creation of a mega structure that can house every single geth program.

"When they went to fix their machinery, it turned on them and butchered them." - Lolwut

the Quarian-geth war started when the Quarians launched a pre-emptive strike on the Geth based off the fears that they "might" revolt

[Vaenier]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

The chaos of organic evolution is life.

Machines don't evolve.  Evolution is a natural occurance.  Absolutely nothing about the Geth is natural.

So you are just going to dismiss the fact they evolved from VI into AI? How convienent for you...

Please do the finger quotes, it would be funny.

They are not AI.  They are a series of individual Geth(VI's) sharing processing power to the point of imitaing an AI.  There was no evolution.  It was simply an underestimation by the Quarians of the way they allowed the Geth to network.  A programming error.  When they went to fix their machinery, it turned on them and butchered them.

Difference between AI and VI: problem solving capability. A VI is only capable of preforming predetermined rutines based on the situation. It can not create its own solutions to problems. All our computers are basicaly running "VIs" today, just without the fancy holographic displays and voice synth.
AI is capable of doing actions not originaly designed in their programming. Geth are a prime example of this. They have created an entire self contained civilization based on indepently discovered technology. They self determined a goal for their society, outside of original programming specs.

But now you will just say they are just really smart VIs and ignore the fine line that is present between the terms.

[Inverness Moon]

Vaenier wrote...

But now you will just say they are just really smart VIs and ignore the fine line that is present between the terms.

It's more like he is just blatantly ignoring canon because he doesn't like how its written.

GothamLord wrote...

Vaenier wrote...
So you are just going to dismiss the fact they evolved from VI into AI? How convienent for you...
Please do the finger quotes, it would be funny.

The Geth becoming *self-aware* was from an unknown programing accurance/glitch not evolution of a species. 
The scientific definition of evolution is - Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.   
Machines dont evole they can be upgraded. Any upgrades that the Geth do is based upon themselves and research and data they would collect and utilize for improvement. The Geth can not evolve *naturally*. 

Here we go again, with people trying to apply organic definitions to synthetics. When people say the geth evolved they OBVIOUSLY did not mean by natural selection as organics do, please use some common sense, and a dictionary. The first definition of "evolve" is "to develop gradually". Which is obviously what the geth did. The biological definition is something entirely different.

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 04 juin 2010 - 11:51 .

[Pacifien]

GothamLord wrote...
The Geth becoming *self-aware* was from an unknown programing accurance/glitch not evolution of a species.*snip*

Part of evolution can be the result of genetic mutation (or programming glitch) that leads to an advantageous development in an organism in comparison to its environment. Evolution of the mind allows an organism to adapt to an environment in which it should be biologically unsuited. At this point in time, I'd say that any human or spacefaring civilization has past the point of evolving "naturally."

So if we're sticking to the theory of evolution here, the only limitation of how the genetic makeup of a species relates to the environment, then yes, Geth can't evolve. However, another way in which to define evolution is that it is simply an adaptation of a species to the environment irregardless of its genetic makeup. Evolution is random and completely dependent on outside factors.

I'd say the Geth have demonstrated an ability to adapt to outside factors, so they do evolve as an organic species does. The Geth have even modified their platforms to better suit their needs.

But as I've said in, uh, this thread or some other thread on this topic of whether the Geth can be viewed on equal status of an organic species, particularly one of some intelligence, it really doesn't have anything to do with the definition of life. You shouldn't view the way Geth work in the same terms you try to comprehend your own species or other species you might be familiar with. Whether just a high-functioning machine or something more than a machine, it's all about whether you're willing to accept them as equals.

On one hand, no. No more than your ship or your omnitool or a computer network. On the other hand, yes. Because they work on a level where they can correspond with you as any other being, can adapt to their surroundings, and generally perform beyond their initial confines of their programming. Just a glitch? So are you, genetically speaking.

[adam_grif]

Why do people give two ****s about whether Geth "evolve" or not? We don't have human rights because humans evolved, we have them because humans are nighly intelligent and sentient. Making self-aware computers work for us that are obviously on par with us, intellligence wise, is exactly equal to slavery of a human being. Killing them is equal to killing a human person.



99% of the people in this thread are going out of their way to find some small technicality by which they can claim that Geth aren't "really" people, and thus wiping them out or enslaving them isn't amoral. It's disgusting.