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[Vaenier]

Nightwriter wrote...

The geth can't feel pain. The geth have no children. You won't find a recording of, "Be good for daddy! Mommy loves you very much!" on a geth ship. When geth are killed it will not send the family of said geth reeling in broken waves of grief. There will never be little innocent baby geth waiting for daddy geth to come home from the war and finding out that time will never come.

The geth can lose millions of platforms, and it would mean nothing. What would it mean to lose millions of quarians?

But the geth are sentient, and I believe they are a form of life. Life is to be valued, and I do value the geth. I don't think they did anything wrong. It's just that there are more vulnerable forms of life, and there are less vulnerable forms of life, and quarians are more vulnerable. Thus I feel they are to be protected more, just because of what they have to lose. Their entire culture is at risk of annihilation here if they go to war; the geth's is not.

So do you support the Quarians moving on and not attempting to commit genocide? Or do you support them attacking the Geth to retake their homeworld?

[Nightwriter]

I support the quarians moving on and not attempting to commit genocide. Peace is the only sane and reasonable course of action here.

But if I was forced into a hypothetical situation where I had to choose - which is what I thought this thread was saying - I would, wrenchingly, side with the quarians.

[The Elite Elite]

Well, honestly I'd prefer peace between the two. The last thing we need when the Reapers get here is another thing to weaken us when we need to be as strong as possible. But if the Quarians went to war with the Geth, I'd support the Quarians. The Geth are their creation and so it's their right to do with them as they see fit. If you're computer starts acting up and not letting you say, post here on the Bioware forums anymore, you wouldn't just accept that. You'd try to fix it or, if you can't, you'd ditch it and get a new one. Same thing here. The Geth were no longer doing what the Quarians created them to do, so they tried to start over.

[Tooneyman]

I would say. Lets defeat the reapers and they we wipe out the geth, because they are machines and after fighting the reapers if I see any more A.I. life forms I'm going to get pissed.

[Nightwriter]

Jeez, don't hate on the geth just because of the Reapers.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

Nightwriter wrote...

The geth can't feel pain. The geth have no children. You won't find a recording of, "Be good for daddy! Mommy loves you very much!" on a geth ship. When geth are killed it will not send the family of said geth reeling in broken waves of grief. There will never be little innocent baby geth waiting for daddy geth to come home from the war and finding out that time will never come.

The geth can lose millions of platforms, and it would mean nothing. What would it mean to lose millions of quarians?

But the geth are sentient, and I believe they are a form of life. Life is to be valued, and I do value the geth. I don't think they did anything wrong. It's just that there are more vulnerable forms of life, and there are less vulnerable forms of life, and quarians are more vulnerable. Thus I feel they are to be protected more, just because of what they have to lose. Their entire culture is at risk of annihilation here if they go to war; the geth's is not.

just to throw in my own obersevation, the geth wouldn't like losing programs, losing programs means less brain power for them, less perspectives and opinons. It would be like - It would be like if All the european countries just simply vanished. The geth would lose too many perspectives, it would slow them down, and they will have to cope with it. We humans hate each most others guts, but we also care in a limited sense for each other, if the european countries suddenly vanished, we would be. WTH? did they die? did they leave the collective? if they died, why? Did someone do it? If so, who did it? Will they do it to us? IF they will not do it to us, why did they do it the europeans? Should we avenge the loss of perspectives and opinons?

The geth culture is in risk of annihilation as well considering this. Their culture is their collective nature of sharing their opinons, it's like big-*** forum where they debate, and form opinons on many inputs and views like we are doing right now discussing this issue. Of course this happens at all FTL speeds for them, but yes. They are a nation unto themselves and operate as such, each with it's own opinon and views on everything.

Just my thoughts on that.

[Nightwriter]

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

just to throw in my own obersevation, the geth wouldn't like losing programs, losing programs means less brain power for them, less perspectives and opinons. It would be like - It would be like if All the european countries just simply vanished. The geth would lose too many perspectives, it would slow them down, and they will have to cope with it. We humans hate each most others guts, but we also care in a limited sense for each other, if the european countries suddenly vanished, we would be. WTH? did they die? did they leave the collective? if they died, why? Did someone do it? If so, who did it? Will they do it to us? IF they will not do it to us, why did they do it the europeans? Should we avenge the loss of perspectives and opinons?

The geth culture is in risk of annihilation as well considering this. Their culture is their collective nature of sharing their opinons, it's like big-*** forum where they debate, and form opinons on many inputs and views like we are doing right now discussing this issue. Of course this happens at all FTL speeds for them, but yes. They are a nation unto themselves and operate as such, each with it's own opinon and views on everything.

Just my thoughts on that.

Hmm. I admit ignorance as to the specifics of what is contained in a single geth. I was under the impression each geth is a bit like a terminal, impersonal, a mobile platform tapped into the greater geth network. And every program they have could be housed in their Dyson Sphere.

Still - the geth population is infinitely greater than the quarian population. Legion gives us an idea as to its size. If the geth suffered the loss of 17 million it would hardly matter. If the quarians lost that many they'd be wiped out. And the geth can repopulate quicker.

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

the geth BY FAR..its the quarians fault the geth exsist anyway..if i were an andriod that was enslaved and treated unproperly just becasue i wasnt ment to have a mind of my own I WOULD KILL EVERY FREAKING QUARIN IN THE GALAXY

[Nightwriter]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

the geth BY FAR..its the quarians fault the geth exsist anyway..if i were an andriod that was enslaved and treated unproperly just becasue i wasnt ment to have a mind of my own I WOULD KILL EVERY FREAKING QUARIN IN THE GALAXY

Am I the only one who thinks this isn't about who was right or wrong?

For me it's about what's at stake. It's about suffering, and loss of life. The geth didn't do anything wrong, no, but by the same token, any quarians who were actually responsible for the decision to massacre them have long since died.

It's only their children who are left now, children who have done nothing wrong except to be born on the Flotilla. Are you going to punish them for their ancestors' mistake? Are you going to let all of them die, men, women, and children all, to side with an artificial race that ridiculously outnumbers and outguns them just because of what was or was not historically ethical three centuries ago?

[Nightwriter]

Are they? Even so, they did it in self-defense. I can't fault them. Especially if they didn't even understand what killing means.

[ObserverStatus]

Nightwriter wrote...

Am I the only one who thinks this isn't about who was right or wrong?

For me it's about what's at stake. It's about suffering, and loss of life. The geth didn't do anything wrong, no, but by the same token, any quarians who were actually responsible for the decision to massacre them have long since died.

It's only their children who are left now, children who have done nothing wrong except to be born on the Flotilla. Are you going to punish them for their ancestors' mistake? Are you going to let all of them die, men, women, and children all, to side with an artificial race that ridiculously outnumbers and outguns them just because of what was or was not historically ethical three centuries ago?

It may have been a long time since the quarians tried to pull the plug on the geth, but according to legion, the quarians still never pass up a good oppurtunity to attack geth when they have one.  The geth know that they are still at war and defend themselves accordingly.

[Nightwriter]

You honestly think the quarians were willing to do any less to the geth, Shand?

You will never be able to see the war as equal if you still define the geth as tractors and cars. The quarians were trying to wipe out an entire sentient race. This is genocide.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 07 juin 2010 - 05:25 .

[Collider]

Nightwriter wrote...

You honestly think the quarians were willing to do any less to the geth, Shand?

You will never be able to see the war as equal if you still define the geth as tractors and cars. The quarians were trying to wipe out an entire sentient race. This is genocide.

The Quarians only knew of a few models who were sapient. That does not fairly qualify as genocide.

[Inquisitor Recon]

In terms of strategic resources or technology, does anybody here think the geth or quarian homeworld might have anything useful to the Systems Alliance? Something that could be used against the reapers perhaps?



Certainly Admiral Hackett could use his sheer badassery to jump in with a part of his fleet, smash some geth ships, and allow Shepard and special forces teams to have a look around on the planet. The geth would hopefully be distracted enough by Hackett kicking ass where the Normandy could finish it's mission before more geth arrived or the incompetent quarians decide to make their move.



And then it is time for medals, promotions, and bonuses. Shepard is really owed a promotion.

[Nightwriter]

bobobo878 wrote...

It may have been a long time since the quarians tried to pull the plug on the geth, but according to legion, the quarians still never pass up a good oppurtunity to attack geth when they have one.  The geth know that they are still at war and defend themselves accordingly.

And what else can we expect, when the only geth people see outside the Veil are hostile heretics?

The quarians' behavior suffers from a severe misunderstanding of the enemy and an acute lack of communication with the true geth. The whole galaxy's perception of the geth is tainted by the actions of the heretics.

[Collider]

There was a failure of communication by both parties.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Shandepared wrote...
there is no such thing as genocide against a machine.

This.
Otherwise people who crush cars and scrap ships would be war criminals.