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[Inquisitor Recon]

My Shepard is going to get a shirt saying: "I led the geth genocide and all I got was this lousy t-shirt."

Modifié par ReconTeam, 07 juin 2010 - 08:21 .

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

Shandepared wrote...

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

I can bring back almost every single quarian or organic life that died now, thanks to Cerbersus, but hey, thanks to their research, we can now bring back organic life from the dead, abiet at an 4 billion credit cost per life. Still feasbile.

 
Let's see, 4 billion times seventeen-million = actually I'm not going to attempt that.

6.8 × 10 ^ 16That is how much it is. In otherwords -

68,000,000,000,000,000 quadrillion (68,000 billion) credits. Besides money is only an issue when you have to deal with currency. Normally in these type of situations nobody would bother to add up all the work hours, materials etc simply because it would absurd to do so. It would be - just get'r'done attitude. Or are we putting money/credit value on lives now?

Not to mention that depending on how a quarian is 'kille'd you may NOT be able to bring them back. Shepard was quite lucky to have his brain intact.

True enough. But even so, we would be talking about an relative portion of them aren't able, but the rest are. The same can be said for the geth.

For a geth it is simple though: upload a copy to a database. You can even take the code and print it out on paper. You can duplicate it quickly and easily. All you need to ressurect the geth is a computer for it to inhabit.

Actually, I learned this in programming an very very long time, Never assume it's easy. Never assume it's going to magically just work. I would bet my life there is quite an few catches to geth programming, especially since they self-update themselves. Of course, what do I know, I just graduated from an college with an Associates degree in Computer Technology.

They're not the same, not at all. You can't duplicate a quarian.

... So let me get this straight. Your saying that just because my route of 68,000 billion credits pricetag does not get the same result as "copying" (sorry, I can't help laughing) them to an computer? The geth isn't an website where you select all files and drop them into your new harddrive (hell I bet an single geth program is 30+ terrabytes big).

because the geth are so large some will be corrupted from the copying, may it be an hic-cup in the "copying" process or whatever just as many as quarian brains who are crushed.

Both routes will get the same result of 17 million (roughly) geth/quarians back. Of course, if we're going genetics and just want to duplicate an quarian... well cloning works just as well. Use the mind imprints (after perfecting them) that Okeer used, and your all set.

Teknor wrote...

There is nothing pseudo about it. It's theoratically possible. You construct it accordingly and voila you got
your quarian back. 

How do you know exactly how to put things together? You need to know the location of every single neuron before the quarian, human, batarian, whatever, gets killed. In such case you're simply repairing the damage done, you're not creating a new one or even duplicating it.

How did they know how to put sheppard back together? if your gonna use magic on sheppards' revival, I shall use magic as well. Otherwise, those civiliazations have been around long enough, I am sure someone has done it.

With the geth there's no work involved: copy-paste the code and you've got another. You can't copy-paste the quarian.

Somehow I don't think you even understand programming or web design, otherwise you would know better. I can certainly clone an quarian FYI, same thing as copy/paste toss in some memory implants as well.

This is all moot though because we don't even know exactly what a memory IS in physical terms.

 An group of neurons with residue electical impulses from our eyes or other senses that are stored in the neurons. My guess anyway. Much like a sub rountine in which we repeatly use to blink, or sweat or breathe, or have our heart beat, exchange oxygen etc etc. Our brain operates like an computer.

In any case, it's interesting to watch you all inadvertently justify genocide if only to try and prove to me that organic lives are as worthless as synthetic "lives".

For an person who claims to be so smart, you must not use all the grey matter for memories. I don't think anyone in the current arguement has "justified" genocide other than to acknowledge that the morning war was an big conflict of mis-communication of where they assumed that the other side was blood-thirsty and hostile. If I am wrong, by all means, prove me wrong. 

Genocide is wrong and both sides were attempting to do it. Both got crap on their noses in both of these affairs. Your dealing with two races that have both attempted this crime, so please don't paint the quarians as crap-free. They aren't. When doing with two sides who have commited genocide, you ignore the fact that both commited genocide, no point, it's the same issues both are dealing with, however, the quarians wanted to kill an sentient race because their workers became self-aware. The geth did it to surivive. So the quarians are in the right because they wanted to kill their working force becuase they decided to ask questions and the geth are in the wrong because they fought to surivive?

Modifié par Andrew_Waltfeld, 07 juin 2010 - 10:57 .

[Inverness Moon]

Shandepared wrote...

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. You can't create a back-up of a quarian the way you can a geth.

Yes, you can.

Shandepared wrote...

So where's your nobel prize?

I didn't know they gave out nobel prizes for guessing, but they gave one to Obama for doing nothing. *shrug*

Shandepared wrote...

No only one side attempted genocide and that side was the geth. You cannot committ genocide against a machine. It isn't alive, it has no mind, and geth don't even have actual bodies.

Geth don't need permanent bodies, you're just jealous that you can't swap bodies at your convenience. 

Geth are sentient, therefor have minds, and of course geth aren't alive by biological standards because they're not organic.

You keep repeating yourself with the same illogical nonsense. You're not convincing anyone.

[Dracotamer]

I would side with neither. I am convinced I will be able to get both parties to live together in peace.

[Inverness Moon]

Dracotamer wrote...

I would side with neither. I am convinced I will be able to get both parties to live together in peace.

The point of the question is if you can't prevent conflict then who would you side with if you were forced to choose.

[MaaZeus]

At first I would try to find peaceful solution. If impossible, then I would side for quarians simply because I value organic life above synthetic life, ESPECIALLY synthetic life where there is no real individuality but a network of VI programs forming a relative intelligence. An organic individual is irreplaceable, and this doesnt count to Geth as they are a network forming a big intelligence called Geth. Those things with legs are just machines, moving platforms. If this would be a race of individual AIs mimicking an organic lifeforms (a billion of individual "EDIs") things might be different, but Geth are not like that.

Quarian homeworld is Quarians own, they were born there and it is righfully theirs and they were driven out. Geth were built there to be servants, before they got conciousness. Yes, Geth were sort of "born" there, but unlike Quarians Geth do not really need the whole planet.

Even Legion said it that for them living in space stations is more efficient, and now they are building one big "Geth-Reaper" where they ALL intent to move, no mobile platforms what so ever but a single big Geth in space. Only reason why they are still in the Quarian homeworld is because they still have their original programming somewhere hidden that makes them want to keep the place clean and running for no particular rational reason.

So I think perhaps this is the time for Geth to move from the planet. Quarians need it, Geth do not. They do not even particularly want it...


This is just my opinion.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 07 juin 2010 - 11:18 .

[Mouton_Alpha]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Dracotamer wrote...

I would side with neither. I am convinced I will be able to get both parties to live together in peace.

The point of the question is if you can't prevent conflict then who would you side with if you were forced to choose.

If I could not prevent the conflict, I would let the fight and only get involved when one side is facing utter destruction.

Which would just mean saving those silly Quarians again, as they have no bloody chance.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

[quote]Shandepared wrote...

[quote]Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

68,000,000,000,000,000
quadrillion (1,000 billion) credits. Besides money is only an issue when you have to deal with currency. Normally in these type of situations nobody would bother to add up all the work hours, materials etc simply because it would absurd to do so. It would be - just get'r'done. [/quote]

That pricetag puts America's debt to shame.
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so? It's just an organic invention to put an price on something, much like time is simply an human invention to measure the distance between events. All the harddrive space and infrastrcture you would need to put the geth in would be just as hefty of an price. Not to mention the continued cost of power, maintence, cooling of the various servers etc etc. Pricetag is irevelant.

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[quote]Andew_Waltfeld wrote...

I would bet my life there is quite an few catches to geth programming, especially since they self-update themselves. [/quote]

I'm sure it isn't literally as easy as copy-paste, but the fact is the geth transmit themselves constantly and even create backups. If they can do it so can anyone else. After all the quarians were doing it long before the geth went rogue.
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Not denying that, but geth are dependent on this infrasture exists, otherwise, the geth cannot operate. Also, just to toss it in there, cloning the quarians would work, because the quarians copied their ancestors memories into VI's, so clearly it can be done other than reviving people from the dead.

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[quote]Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

... So let me get this straight. Your saying that just because my route of 1,000 billion credits pricetag does not get the same result as "copying" (sorry, I can't help laughing) them to an computer?[/quote]

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. You can't create a back-up of a quarian the way you can a geth.
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I shall call BS on that. Again, Quarian VI memory. 

If you want, fine, we can just clone every quarian, and do their VI memory imprint straight into their new quarian bodies. Volia. Just as easy as a "copy/pasta".

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[quote]Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

How did they know how to put sheppard back together?[/quote]

Nobody knows and it is one of the weaker aspects of the plot, albeit a minor thing.
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My point being - if humans can REVIVE people from the dead, then there is no point in assuming that nobody knows how to clone a quarian or their physical makeup.

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[quote]Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

 An group of neurons with residue electical impulses from our eyes that are stored in the neurons. My guess anyway. 
Much like a sub rountine in which we repeatly use to blink, or sweat or breathe, or have our heart beat, exchange oxygen etc etc. [/quote]

So where's your nobel prize?
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That's an logical guess that anyone with an brain can make. I don't need an nobel prize for that logic. Sure as hell ain't using some msymical voodoo to remmeber things.

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[quote]Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

 I don't think anyone in the current arguement has "justified" genocide(...)[/quote]

Not intentionally, no.
[/quote]
Thinking back on that, I can see the connection.

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[quote]Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

Genocide is wrong and both sides were attempting to do it. Both got crap on their noses in both of these affairs. Your dealing with two races that have both attempted this crime.
[/quote]

No only one side attempted genocide and that side was the geth. You cannot committ genocide against a machine. It isn't alive, it has no mind, and geth don't even have actual bodies. [/quote]
Uh huh. I shall not go into how your narrow minded, but we already argued about it, so the point is moot. Both sides attempted genocide in my opinon.

BUT... for ****s and giggles, Machines however can not commit genocide. If it isn't alive, then it has no value of life or existance. It also has no mind, so it cannot dicpher that it is doing anything "wrong" either. It's simply following programmed instructions or sub rountines. AKA - They can't commit genocide because it doesn't know the meaning of genocide. It would be like an lawn mower running around freely, kiling any people it crossed, why? because the programming said so. Simple as that. If the geth are not alive or have an mind, they can not be accounted for genocide because they wouldn't have the first clue of what they are doing to another organic race or understand the ramifications of it.

It would be like loki Mech's gone wild, they just shoot, shoot, shoot because everyone is an "threat". when it reached the border of quarian space, their programming gave an command to hold and guard this area. Meanwhile, the factories kept chugging out even more.

[Inverness Moon]

Shandepared wrote...

No, you can't.

I suppose someone who doesn't understand how the universe works would think that.

No, they don't have minds; they have programs that simulate the appearance of a mind. You say I'm illogical, well I maintain that YOU are illogical. You think because it acts alive that it is alive. A simulaton is not the real thing.

Sorry, that is not how it works. The geth are sentient, therefore they have minds in one form or another.

And your insistence on determining whether or not the geth are alive using standards developed for organics is illogical.

[Eternalist]

 The Geth would probably win due to their sheer numbers and tendancy to launch surprise attacks. Besides, they made (tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpaceJews) out of the Quarians.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

Shandepared wrote...

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

so?

You can't just "so?" that amount of money.

Yes I can because I just did it. Just like you just "so? They are just machines!" that the geth aren't Sentient. I am just so-ing an currency amount instead.

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

Also, just to toss it in there, cloning the quarians would work, because the quarians copied their ancestors memories into VI's, so clearly it can be done other than reviving people from the dead.

They created VI's to simulate their ancestor's personalities and memories, but we don't know how detailed that was. If replicating memories was that easy then we'd have dopplegangers all over the galaxy. That's one huge can of worms.

I would guess that the technology was lost and was pre-dominantly an Quarian invention. Otherwise humans would use the **** out of it. And who said it was easy? For all we know, perhaps only the rich quarians had it.

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

My point being - if humans can REVIVE people from the dead, then there is no point in assuming that nobody knows how to clone a quarian or their physical makeup.

Cloning is easy, but all it does is create a new person who shares the same DNA, much like a twin. It is not literally the person who was cloned though. For that you'd need to transfer the mind itself.

Or Memories of someone. Memories and experinces are what make us different from another one, if you make an clone body, and you copy all their memories etc over exactly then you have made that person. They will simply gain conscience and feel an out of body experince for an little while as they get accustomed to the new body. It could be safely assumed that nobody put 1 and 1 together to make two, especially considering cloning is ilegal in citadel space.

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

Thinking back on that, I can see the connection.

You know I've got this idea. What might lose to the Reapers, so what if we come up with a backup plan? We could build these giant machines to house the collective intelligences of all the sentient species in the galaxy. Then the Reapers come, wipe out whoever is left, and then we wait. Then in 49,000 years we come back, just before the Reapers do, and harvest the next generation of sentient species! In this way we save them from the Reapers!

BRILLIANT!  so crazy it might just work!

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

Uh huh. I shall not go into how your narrow minded, but we already argued about it, so the point is moot. Both sides attempted genocide in my opinon.

BUT... for ****s and giggles, Machines however can not commit genocide. If it isn't alive, then it has no value of life or existance. It also has no mind, so it cannot dicpher that it is doing anything "wrong" either.

Certainly, I can agree to that if you can agree that the quarians, by extension, comitted no crime either. However seeing as they are living, breathing beings, they have a right to exist that trumps that of some rogue VI programs.

Honestly, I don't see the geth that way, I was curious as to what you would do if I presented that arguement however. You pretty much did what I expected. Sorry if I got your hopes up.

The other day I did an social experiment on some salarians, and got them to buy this crappy little planet that I said on the extra-net, if you looked in the sky, you would see the stars outined an celestrial goddess during the night time. The fools bought the planet, it was so harilious. I now know what religon makes people do. Especially those who don't double check facts. Buy incredibly expensive planets.

Modifié par Andrew_Waltfeld, 07 juin 2010 - 11:51 .

[Mouton_Alpha]

Shandepared wrote...
No, they don't have minds; they have programs that simulate the appearance of a mind. You say I'm illogical, well I maintain that YOU are illogical. You think because it acts alive that it is alive. A simulaton is not the real thing.

Brain is just a highly-adaptive biological computer. If they copy your brain functions and transfer all the data 100% correctly, how it will really differ from you? What if someone replicates the brain functions in a synthetic form? Exactly same workings, just using silicon. What's the real difference there? Building material? Than what, people with artificial heart impants are not alive?

Unless you believe in that soul thing, that is.

[MaaZeus]

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

Shandepared wrote...
No, they don't have minds; they have programs that simulate the appearance of a mind. You say I'm illogical, well I maintain that YOU are illogical. You think because it acts alive that it is alive. A simulaton is not the real thing.

Brain is just a highly-adaptive biological computer. If they copy your brain functions and transfer all the data 100% correctly, how it will really differ from you? What if someone replicates the brain functions in a synthetic form? Exactly same workings, just using silicon. What's the real difference there? Building material? Than what, people with artificial heart impants are not alive?

Unless you believe in that soul thing, that is.

You would be right if Geth would be synthetics mimicking organic life IE instead of biocomputer brain it would be silicon based like EDI. But Geth are not like that. Geth are SOFTWARE without staying individuals. Programs form a network that again forms intelligence depending how many programs are connected at once. Separate that group and the intelligence and sentience is lost until reformed but then that is again a completely new intelligence and new "individuals" as perspectives are changed.

So yeah, you cant really compare Geth to organic lifeforms this way.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 08 juin 2010 - 12:02 .

[Mouton_Alpha]

MaaZeus wrote...

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

Shandepared wrote...
No, they don't have minds; they have programs that simulate the appearance of a mind. You say I'm illogical, well I maintain that YOU are illogical. You think because it acts alive that it is alive. A simulaton is not the real thing.

Brain is just a highly-adaptive biological computer. If they copy your brain functions and transfer all the data 100% correctly, how it will really differ from you? What if someone replicates the brain functions in a synthetic form? Exactly same workings, just using silicon. What's the real difference there? Building material? Than what, people with artificial heart impants are not alive?

Unless you believe in that soul thing, that is.

You would be right if Geth would be synthetics mimicking organic life IE instead of biocomputer brain it would be silicon based like EDI. But Geth are not like that. Geth are SOFTWARE without staying individuals. Programs form a network that again forms intelligence depending how many programs are connected at once. Separate that group and the intelligence and sentience is lost until reformed but then that is again a completely new intelligence and new "individuals" as perspectives are changed.

So yeah, you cant really compare Geth to organic lifeforms this way.

I know Geth are different, I was just refuting the "if it is not organic, then it isn't alive" argument.

Btw, your brain cells are not sentient either. They have their own agendas (get food etc.) but have generally simple outlook and have no individuality. And yet connected together they form something more.

[MaaZeus]

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

Btw, your brain cells are not sentient either. They have their own agendas (get food etc.) but have generally simple outlook and have no individuality. And yet connected together they form something more.

Hmmm... Interesting point. Never thought about this way. I do not necessarily agree that you can compare geth programs to braincells but it is very interesting POV, some food for thought.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

MaaZeus wrote...

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

Shandepared wrote...
No, they don't have minds; they have programs that simulate the appearance of a mind. You say I'm illogical, well I maintain that YOU are illogical. You think because it acts alive that it is alive. A simulaton is not the real thing.

Brain is just a highly-adaptive biological computer. If they copy your brain functions and transfer all the data 100% correctly, how it will really differ from you? What if someone replicates the brain functions in a synthetic form? Exactly same workings, just using silicon. What's the real difference there? Building material? Than what, people with artificial heart impants are not alive?

Unless you believe in that soul thing, that is.

You would be right if Geth would be synthetics mimicking organic life IE instead of biocomputer brain it would be silicon based like EDI. But Geth are not like that. Geth are SOFTWARE without staying individuals. Programs form a network that again forms intelligence depending how many programs are connected at once. Separate that group and the intelligence and sentience is lost until reformed but then that is again a completely new intelligence and new "individuals" as perspectives are changed.

So yeah, you cant really compare Geth to organic lifeforms this way.

I dunno about that, I had an theroy kicking around on how the geth got around this problem, otherwise, all their views and perspectives would be the same and no clashes of consensus would take place like the geth space station.

In an nutcase, I guessed that each geth had seperate partitions or folders it dumped data into, sifting thru it. If it's accepted, it gets transfer to folder A, if not, it gets deleted. I can post the entire thing, though it is pretty lengthy. I have no idea where the old topic that I orginally posted it on ended up however, as that would be easier, just by providing an link (hell, I can't even remember what the topic was called). The geth programs are individuals in an sense, yes. They just don't have the barrier of lies like we say to each other. They have no reason to lie to each other, or deny sharing data with each other. At least the true geth do, herectics is another thing, but you get my point. They have individuality to a point.

Example of an barrier of lies that everyone does -

"How are you?"

"Good" (Person is thinking "I feel crappy")

"Ah that's good."

[Inverness Moon]

MaaZeus wrote...

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

Btw, your brain cells are not sentient either. They have their own agendas (get food etc.) but have generally simple outlook and have no individuality. And yet connected together they form something more.

Hmmm... Interesting point. Never thought about this way. I do not necessarily agree that you can compare geth programs to braincells but it is very interesting POV, some food for thought.

I've thought about that myself and compared geth to brain cells in a previous but similar argument. Of course the scale is different, it takes about 1000 geth to achieve sentience, but it takes billions of brain cells. This is because each unit is capable of more individually.

But overall I think it is a pretty accurate comparison.

[SteelEagleShane]

The Geth would absolutely crush, without question, the Quarians in every facet of a shooting war. I would side with the Quarians almost only just to make sure they survived as a species.

[ObserverStatus]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

No only one side attempted genocide and that side was the geth. You cannot committ genocide against a machine. It isn't alive, it has no mind, and geth don't even have actual bodies.

Geth don't need permanent bodies, you're just jealous that you can't swap bodies at your convenience. 

Geth are sentient, therefor have minds, and of course geth aren't alive by biological standards because they're not organic.

You keep repeating yourself with the same illogical nonsense. You're not convincing anyone.

^^this

[Erinlana]

Geth For sure !

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

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[quote]Inverness Moon wrote...

Sorry, that is not how it works. The geth are sentient, therefore they have minds in one form or another.

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No, they are not. A mind requires a brain and the geth do not have a brain. They have computer programs which ni no way resemble a brain.

True an individual brain cell does not allow a mind but then brain cells aren't what is important; it's the structure of the brain. Geth have no brain structure because they have no brain. Until I see proof that a brain is not needed to have a mind I won't believe the geth have minds, and thus I won't believe they are living beings.
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If it quacks like an duck, looks like an duck, it probably isn't an elephant. The problem with you is that you can't get the fact that our brain is just one big-ass harddrive where data is stored. Some scientists have calculated that we hold over 3-10 terrabytes in our brain.



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[quote]Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

Yes I can because I just did it.[/quote]

No, you can't. When I dismiss the geth as being alive and having rights I give reasons for it. How are you going to account for the money and time required to ressurrect that many people? You claim to have some programing knowledge which tells me you of all people should appreciate just how big that number is. Give me a reason for dismissing it that advances your argument. Doing it to spite me doesn't help you any.[/quote]
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Haha... to spite you. Not really. I am proving an point.

I already gave plenty of reasons. of course you didn't even respond to them, and you didn't even give good counter-examples, actually wait, you stopped at the begining and responded about 64 quadrillion credits is bigger than the american debt and thus, it's somehow inefficient. Then you left the rest of the arguement alone.  I proved there was a way to do it, and you didn't even bother to answer it. The only thing you stopped to comment on was the 4 billion credits per organic and somehow deemed my route unfesbile.

Sorry that I don't feel like putting an pricetag on organic life. Of course that's the hard way of reviving everyone. An strand of DNA and an brain imprint of their latest memories, with okeer's imprint would work just as well in an clone. Probably cost alot less as well.

To store and house all the copies of geth, would probably cost trillions of dollars, and eventually, yes, it would cost 68 quadrillion credits to house and maintain the geth in parts, materials, supplies etc. In the end, the costs will be the same.

Besides, why should I care about 64 quadrillion credits? If your undertaking an project of this size, it's fairly clear that cost is not an issue. and to be honest, it shouldn't be.

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[quote]Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...


I would guess that the technology was lost and was pre-dominantly an Quarian invention.[/quote]

You can guess all you want but you have nothing to go on either way.
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Yes I do. By the fact that the REST of this galaxy doesn't have this technology. Let's see, quarians has tech A. Quarians get booted off of homeworlds.... The rest of the galaxy doesn't have Tech A. Connect the dots.

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[quote]Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

My point being - if humans can REVIVE people from the dead, then there is no point in assuming that nobody knows how to clone a quarian or their physical makeup.[/quote]

I never said cloning wasn't possible, but cloning doesn't bring someone back from the dead. All it creates is a physical twin, a twin that does not have the same mind or experiences. It is an entirely separate person.
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Once Again.... *cough* okeer's mind imprint *cough*

but you know, what I much prefer bringing back the quarians back from the dead... solve that little immunity system issue. But cloning and okeer's mind imprint will work if you looking for an copy/pasta of quarians. Same memories, same expericines... just an different body. To them, it would be like waking up from an coma. That was my point with it. You said the quarians could not be effectively copy/pasted like the geth can be, however I am sitting here, once again, pointing out that you are wrong in that regard.
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[quote]Mouton_Alpha wrote...


Brain is just a highly-adaptive biological computer.[/quote]

That is an extremely unspecific term to use. An organic brain operates nothing like a computer does. If you designed a computer to work like a brain it wouldn't work at all. None of the same components, structure, and perhaps none of the same capabilities. [/quote]

The brain acts more like computer because we BASED IT off of ourselves. Lots of human inventions wtether intended or not, mimic us, because we understand our body better and know it works because we are alive.

Mouse, keyboards etc? eyes, tongue, nose etc. IT acts EXACTLY the same, just different inputs. The brain works off of electrical impulses. The computer I am on has an 650Watt powersupply. That is electical right? and my computer runs around with 1's and 0's (electricity exists or not) right? The brain is constantly shifting with electical impulses on and off correct? Brain sends impulses down my spine to give orders correct? Computer does same thing. The only difference is that we have barely gotten it to the capabiltiies of our brain, but we're be there within an couple of years. The computer works, but right now it's probably equivliant to an very dumb human or animal. My main point being - it works exactly like any organic brain except it isn't squishy.

Modifié par Andrew_Waltfeld, 08 juin 2010 - 01:01 .