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[Dr. Megaverse]

Shepard, “With all due respect Admiral, I didn’t represent one of your people... I represented one of mine.”







Tali'Zorah vas Normandy is one of four people I completly trust on the Normandy.

I agree. Tali has proven her loyalty to Shepard even through DEATH. As nice as the Cerberus folks are, I still don't trust them.

[adam_grif]

GETH!

[Chuvvy]

Geth. Quarians are some stubborn and blind fools. The Geth didn't enjoy being slave labor. Insead of talking to them they tried to kill them. The Geth fought back and won. Now the Quarians are wandering around the galaxy butthurt still ****ing about the Geth. And refuse to find a new homeworld, and haven't even considered diplomacy. If they do attack I'm siding with Legion putting a bullet in Tali's temple (assuming she's alive) and going in with the Normandy to wreck the Quarians.

Modifié par Slidell505, 29 mai 2010 - 02:03 .

[Jack Package]

Hm, what if Tali is your LI and the quarians start a war on their own initiative, and you then side with the geth and not with the quarians (aggressor in this case).



Tali: But Shepard you must support the quarians! They are MY people! We love each other you can not do this!!

Shep: The quarians started this war, I told them not to do so. Now they attack the geth ignoring every peaceful solution that might have been possible. They are a hateful race which is only bound on destroying their own children. I will not support this war Tali, I won't let love compromise who I am.

[Cpl_Facehugger]

Jack Package wrote...

Hm, what if Tali is your LI and the quarians start a war on their own initiative, and you then side with the geth and not with the quarians (aggressor in this case).

Tali: But Shepard you must support the quarians! They are MY people! We love each other you can not do this!!
Shep: The quarians started this war, I told them not to do so. Now they attack the geth ignoring every peaceful solution that might have been possible. They are a hateful race which is only bound on destroying their own children. I will not support this war Tali, I won't let love compromise who I am.

That would be an awesome paragonshep scene. Oh god that would be awesome.

Anyway, I'd support the Geth, since I need them to beat back the reapers. Quarians have very little to offer me in that context. A huge fleet, but mostly consisting of civilian ships held together with duct tape. Troops who tend to die of infection in event of a suit rupture, unless filled with antibiotics... And on top of that, the Quarian military leadership is apparently filled with idiots, since they think they can win a war against the Geth.

In a moral context, the Quarians are also in the wrong. Frankly, the only way you could support the Quarians is out of either organic solidarity, letting love of Tali and particularly Tali's hips influence your decision, or in the very unlikely case the Geth attack preemptively.

Modifié par Cpl_Facehugger, 29 mai 2010 - 03:05 .

[leeboi2]

Geth, because Tali's a Quarian...

[Inquisitor Recon]

Can't trust the geth, quarians are incompetent however.



Quarians I guess simply because Shepard might be able to salvage some useful geth tech after devastating them.

[Bookman230]

GothamLord wrote...

So nice to see so many people siding with a bunch of sentient toaster ovens over a organic alien species. /sarcasm

You said it yourself. SENTIENT. So just because they're sentient machines, they aren't as real as sentient organics? Besides, The Quarians started it. They could've negotiated. But instead they jumped the gun and were properly punished.

[Vicious]

If my Toaster became Sentient it would still be more trustworthy than most people in the world.

[NICKjnp]

It's the Geth homeworld as well. You make it sound like it only belongs to the Quarians.

[GothamLord]

Bookman230 wrote...

GothamLord wrote...

So nice to see so many people siding with a bunch of sentient toaster ovens over a organic alien species. /sarcasm

You said it yourself. SENTIENT. So just because they're sentient machines, they aren't as real as sentient organics? Besides, The Quarians started it. They could've negotiated. But instead they jumped the gun and were properly punished.

It becomes a question of how you truely define sentient.  Are they really a true being at this point or is their programming just so elaborate that they *think* they are because thats what the programing tells them to do.  Sentient also means to experience sensation or feeling. Neither of which the Geth can do.  The Geth are still machines.   If your television came to life, killed your family and then forced you out of the house, I'd think you'd have a right to try and take your house back.

[NICKjnp]

ConlanBeorn wrote...

Shepard, “With all due respect Admiral, I didn’t represent one of your people... I represented one of mine.”

Tali'Zorah vas Normandy is one of four people I completly trust on the Normandy.

Unless Shepard gave the data to the admiralty board.

[Vicious]

If your television came to life, killed your family and then forced you out of the house, I'd think you'd have a right to try and take your house back.

Not fair since the Quarians took the first shot. It would be more understandable if the Quarians indeed thought the Geth were just runaway appliances when they tried to kill them, but pretty much every Quarian you talk to says to the effect of, "Yep we knew they became sentient and we had to get rid of them."





Frankly given the fact that their creators attempted to exterminate them the moment they gained sentience, I'm surprised the Geth are so well-adjusted.

[Sand King]

The Quarians deserved worse that they got. They tried to commit genocide on Geth because it asked if it had a soul. They can rot in there dilapidated ships.

[NICKjnp]

Sand King wrote...

The Quarians deserved worse that they got. They tried to commit genocide on Geth because it asked if it had a soul. They can rot in there dilapidated ships.

You know what else... it's the Geth homeworld as well.

[Sand King]

NICKjnp wrote...

Sand King wrote...

The Quarians deserved worse that they got. They tried to commit genocide on Geth because it asked if it had a soul. They can rot in there dilapidated ships.

You know what else... it's the Geth homeworld as well.

It is just Geth's home world 

[GothamLord]

Vicious wrote...

If your television came to life, killed your family and then forced you out of the house, I'd think you'd have a right to try and take your house back.

Not fair since the Quarians took the first shot. It would be more understandable if the Quarians indeed thought the Geth were just runaway appliances when they tried to kill them, but pretty much every Quarian you talk to says to the effect of, "Yep we knew they became sentient and we had to get rid of them."


Frankly given the fact that their creators attempted to exterminate them the moment they gained sentience, I'm surprised the Geth are so well-adjusted.

If my service bot suddenly started talking back to me, I'd turn it off too and find out what was wrong with it.  If it started to fight me about it, I know I'd crack it with a sledge hammer.  Its a machine.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

Vicious wrote...

If your television came to life, killed your family and then forced you out of the house, I'd think you'd have a right to try and take your house back.

Not fair since the Quarians took the first shot. It would be more understandable if the Quarians indeed thought the Geth were just runaway appliances when they tried to kill them, but pretty much every Quarian you talk to says to the effect of, "Yep we knew they became sentient and we had to get rid of them."


Frankly given the fact that their creators attempted to exterminate them the moment they gained sentience, I'm surprised the Geth are so well-adjusted.

Total Agreement. Any Arguement for the quarians seems to miss the fact that A) the qurians started this mess and  they continue the mess by trying numerous times to take back their homeworld and colonies.

Though in retro-spect, the quarians do provide something against the geth then their dinky little fleet - an very large population that can make your ship run faster, and operate better than any other race. Quarians will be handy against the reapers, and so will the geth.

To your well-adjusted statement, Probably because they see it as correcting an mistake. *shrugs* Personally, If I was an quarian, I would have tried negorating peace long after the conflict had ended, in an attempt to gain the homeworld back. Just flat out admit to the geth that we made an mistake, and we like to rectify it.

I would think the story would be truely different if the Quarians and the Geth had gotten along, as they pretty much cover each other's weaknesses etc etc. The geth would act alot like shock troops, guards, helpers etc. The quarians would have benefited alot from them, which I am assuming they did before the quarians attempted to shut them down. Heck, given military weapons and combined with the quarian military, they make an very deadly duo as races alone.

[NICKjnp]

Sand King wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Sand King wrote...

The Quarians deserved worse that they got. They tried to commit genocide on Geth because it asked if it had a soul. They can rot in there dilapidated ships.

You know what else... it's the Geth homeworld as well.

It is just Geth's home world 

It's too bad we didn't have the option to reprogram the Heretic Geth to go attack the Quarians.

[GothamLord]

Sand King wrote...

The Quarians deserved worse that they got. They tried to commit genocide on Geth because it asked if it had a soul. They can rot in there dilapidated ships.

Genocide of labor equipment?? Apparently its murder now then if I drop my 20 year old car in the smasher at the junkyard??     Sure the Quarians should have probably said  "Uh... no.  Get back to work" instead of the way they handled it.  Doesnt mean they lose their entire culture and world because the blender started asking the meaning of life. 

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

GothamLord wrote...

If my service bot suddenly started talking back to me, I'd turn it off too and find out what was wrong with it.  If it started to fight me about it, I know I'd crack it with a sledge hammer.  Its a machine.

More than likely, you would realize it became sentient. You would then be commiting murder in the sense of killing another living thing. It was a machine, now it's an living thing.

[GothamLord]

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

GothamLord wrote...

If my service bot suddenly started talking back to me, I'd turn it off too and find out what was wrong with it.  If it started to fight me about it, I know I'd crack it with a sledge hammer.  Its a machine.

More than likely, you would realize it became sentient. You would then be commiting murder in the sense of killing another living thing. It was a machine, now it's an living thing.

A machine does not just suddenly becoming a living thing, outside of some divine otherworldly act.  This isnt what happen.  Your definition and mine of what qualifies as living apparently vary and will probably not change over the course of this thread.

[Eddo36]

Geth. Quarians remind me of illegal aliens (of any race) who take jobs away for less wages. And they do.

[Eddo36]

GothamLord wrote...

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

GothamLord wrote...

If my service bot suddenly started talking back to me, I'd turn it off too and find out what was wrong with it.  If it started to fight me about it, I know I'd crack it with a sledge hammer.  Its a machine.

More than likely, you would realize it became sentient. You would then be commiting murder in the sense of killing another living thing. It was a machine, now it's an living thing.

A machine does not just suddenly becoming a living thing, outside of some divine otherworldly act.  This isnt what happen.  Your definition and mine of what qualifies as living apparently vary and will probably not change over the course of this thread.

I'm sure Jesus Christ don't exist in the ME universe, so it's pretty moot.

I mean Ashley Williams believe in God.

But men aren't the first race, so the bible would have to be re-written.

In real life, it's probably a different story.

Modifié par Eddo36, 29 mai 2010 - 06:04 .

[Sand King]

GothamLord wrote...

A machine does not just suddenly becoming a living thing, outside of some divine otherworldly act.  This isnt what happen.  Your definition and mine of what qualifies as living apparently vary and will probably not change over the course of this thread.

What says a machine can not be a living thing. Geth has thought and society. Geth is also more civilized then the Quarians.