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[Ashton808]

Sadly, Quarians are stupid.

[Jack Package]

Vicious wrote...

I think the most hilarious thing is, if the Quarians established communications with the Geth and ASKED for their homeworld back, the Geth would most likely say, "Sure :)" and let them have Rannoch again.

Quarians: Can we have our homeworld back?
Geth: Sure !
Han'Gerrel:
!!!!!!!

Modifié par Jack Package, 29 mai 2010 - 10:42 .

[Vicious]

*yawn* That the best you got? Lame.

[Jack Package]

Vicious wrote...

*yawn* That the best you got? Lame.

I tried very hard but I really, REALLY couldn't find any better "It's a trap" picture!!

[Pacifien]

From a gameplay standpoint, seems like it would be more of a challenge to play as the Quarians. Few hundred thousand Quarians soldiers up against millions/billions of Geth.

But first, they have to work together in an unspoken truce in the battle against the Reapers. Then, I suspect the Quarians would fracture into a Civil War before it came to war with the Geth.

[Dave of Canada]

After thinking it over some more, I'd choose the Geth if there was no happy middle option. Why?

- The Geth would never attack the Quarians unless provoked, thus the war would have started when the Quarians attacked.
- The Geth are taking care of the planet for the Quarians, why the hell would they want to fight them in the first place unless in self defense?
- The Quarians are just stubborn, refusing to give up a homeworld that their bodies still won't be able to live on unsuited.
- I told the Quarians to not go to war. Reap what you sow.

Edit: Hell, looking it over.. except for those fanatical Reaper worshipping geths.. all the fighting they've done is for self defense or assistance and never of their own will.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 30 mai 2010 - 12:23 .

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

Pacifien wrote...

From a gameplay standpoint, seems like it would be more of a challenge to play as the Quarians. Few hundred thousand Quarians soldiers up against millions/billions of Geth.
But first, they have to work together in an unspoken truce in the battle against the Reapers. Then, I suspect the Quarians would fracture into a Civil War before it came to war with the Geth.

I dunno, for every 200-300 "geth" we have an platform, so maybe not millions, I am guessing hundreds of thousands of foot soldiers... of course, might be less considering that they do need to have an bunch of ships flying around.

[Vicious]

I will go ahead and admit, despite my arguments of how siding with the Geth are better, I don't believe they are alive merely because they can think.



ALL robots think. But loss of control programs and command input functions doesn't automatically breathe life into steel.



That said, the Quarians still got what was coming to them and seem to have learned NOTHING.

[Cpl_Facehugger]

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

From a gameplay standpoint, seems like it would be more of a challenge to play as the Quarians. Few hundred thousand Quarians soldiers up against millions/billions of Geth.
But first, they have to work together in an unspoken truce in the battle against the Reapers. Then, I suspect the Quarians would fracture into a Civil War before it came to war with the Geth.

I dunno, for every 200-300 "geth" we have an platform, so maybe not millions, I am guessing hundreds of thousands of foot soldiers... of course, might be less considering that they do need to have an bunch of ships flying around.

It's a hell of a lot easier to produce and supply geth mobile platforms than it is quarians.

[TudorWolf]

If it absolutely came down to it I'd probably side with the Geth.

Because let's be fair here, the Quarians were in the wrong. The Geth evolved to the point that network allowed them to achieve sentience. The Quarians realise this and the only thing they think to do is attack them? Seriously, no matter what you look at it this was a rash and stupid decision. It's only natural the Geth would move to defend themselves, any self aware thing would. So the Geth win the resulting war and the Quarians flee.

And despite all this, the Geth hold no true animosity towards them. Legion refers to any Quarians you encounter with the honorific "Creator", and the true Geth maintain mobile platforms on Rannoch to bring it back to it's original state, In Memoriam of those lost.

And yet the Quarians are contemplating attacking again. They should seriously consider diplomacy once in a while.
<_<

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I don't feel the Quarian-Geth conflict is something that humanity or Shepard really has any business getting involved with if it comes to war. If the issue became wider and something that needed to be dealt with, then I would probably side with the Quarians if I was forced to. Mostly because Quarians are on better terms with humanity and the rest of the Citadel Races. Both species are sentient. Neither of them are intrinsically more worthy of existence than their counterparts. But the Geth have far greater crimes on their heads. The Quarians were certainly wrong to try to destroy Geth when they became sentient before the Morning War, but that hardly justifies exterminating the entire species. The Quarians may have attempted to commit genocide but they failed, while the Geth certainly succeeded at it. The Geth drove the Quarians to the brink of extinction. A crime that unspeakable kind of makes it hard to blame the Migrant Fleet for attacking the Geth at every opportunity. Tali said the Geth killed billions of Quarians, the Migrant Fleet contains about 17 Million. Even if the entire population of the Quarian homeworld and all the colonies it created were as "low" as 2 billion, that means the Geth still wiped out over 99% percent of every man, woman and child in Quarian space. That is completely unjustifiable.

My first choice would be to convince the Geth to simply leave. They have little to no attachment to the Quarian worlds and Legion is even confused as to why the Quarians do. I imagine the best chance both species have for peace is for the Geth to leave and probably never come back. At least for a very very long time.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 30 mai 2010 - 03:15 .

[Inverness Moon]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I don't feel the Quarian-Geth conflict is something that humanity or Shepard really has any business getting involved with if it comes to war. If the issue became wider and something that needed to be dealt with, then I would probably side with the Quarians if I was forced to. Mostly because Quarians are on better terms with humanity and the rest of the Citadel Races. Both species are sentient. Neither of them are intrinsically more worthy of existence than their counterparts. But the Geth have far greater crimes on their heads. The Quarians were certainly wrong to try to destroy Geth when they became sentient before the Morning War, but that hardly justifies exterminating the entire species. The Quarians may have attempted to commit genocide but they failed, while the Geth certainly succeeded at it. The Geth drove the Quarians to the brink of extinction. A crime that unspeakable kind of makes it hard to blame the Migrant Fleet for attacking the Geth at every opportunity. Tali said the Geth killed billions of Quarians, the Migrant Fleet contains about 17 Million. Even if the entire population of the Quarian homeworld and all the colonies it created were as "low" as 2 billion, that means the Geth still wiped out over 99% percent of every man, woman and child in Quarian space. That is completely unjustifiable.

My first choice would be to convince the Geth to simply leave. They have little to no attachment to the Quarian worlds and Legion is even confused as to why the Quarians do. I imagine the best chance both species have for peace is for the Geth to leave and probably never come back. At least for a very very long time.

Of course the conflict is everybody's business. The reapers are a serious enough threat that we need everyone to stand united and not weaken each other with infighting.

If the geth weren't as isolationist as they are, they would probably be on better terms with the galaxy than the quarians, but that is just speculation.

And sorry, but the casualties on the quarian side due to the geth is indeed justifiable. The geth do not thing like organics, they do not act as individuals, but rather build consensus among all before taking a course of action. We don't know whether or not the geth even understood that quarians were individuals when the war started, so they may have just thought that all quarians, age and gender irrelevant, were in consensus to fight the geth, so they defended themselves. But also, we don't know the details of the morning war, and what actions the quarians took against the geth and vice versa, so you cannot claim that what the geth did is unjustifiable when you only see the end result and not how it got there.

[atheelogos]

GothamLord wrote...

Organic Life > A.I.

Well I don't know about that.

[atheelogos]

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

From a gameplay standpoint, seems like it would be more of a challenge to play as the Quarians. Few hundred thousand Quarians soldiers up against millions/billions of Geth.
But first, they have to work together in an unspoken truce in the battle against the Reapers. Then, I suspect the Quarians would fracture into a Civil War before it came to war with the Geth.

I dunno, for every 200-300 "geth" we have an platform, so maybe not millions, I am guessing hundreds of thousands of foot soldiers... of course, might be less considering that they do need to have an bunch of ships flying around.

Of course the Geth number in the millions/billions. If they didn't have numbers on their side then they wouldn't of stood a chance against the Quarians in the first war.

[atheelogos]

Vicious wrote...

I will go ahead and admit, despite my arguments of how siding with the Geth are better, I don't believe they are alive merely because they can think.

ALL robots think. But loss of control programs and command input functions doesn't automatically breathe life into steel.

That sounds an awful lot like bigotry imo. If be a conscious thinking being doesn't make you alive what the hell does.

[Siansonea]

As long as they agree to kill Tali, I'll side with the geth.

[GothamLord]

atheelogos wrote...

GothamLord wrote...

Organic Life > A.I.

Well I don't know about that.

Whats not to know??   Its ARTIFICAL Intelligence.  As in FAKE, not real.    You'd take something that was fake over the real thing?  

[Pacifien]

Depends on the real thing.

[GothamLord]

Pacifien wrote...

Depends on the real thing.

Example??   You'd take a fake human-like looking robot say over a real flesh and blood person??

[scorptatious]

Siansonea II wrote...

As long as they agree to kill Tali, I'll side with the geth.

Talimancer attack in 3...2...1...

[Pacifien]

GothamLord wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
Depends on the real thing.

Example??   You'd take a fake human-like looking robot say over a real flesh and blood person??

Depends on the robot, too.

[GothamLord]

Pacifien wrote...

GothamLord wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
Depends on the real thing.

Example??   You'd take a fake human-like looking robot say over a real flesh and blood person??

Depends on the robot, too.

No there is no depends.   The choice is a human life over that of a program. 

[Bookman230]

GothamLord wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

GothamLord wrote...

Organic Life > A.I.

Well I don't know about that.

Whats not to know??   Its ARTIFICAL Intelligence.  As in FAKE, not real.    You'd take something that was fake over the real thing?  

Funny, the ME1 Codex mentions how pro-synthectic activists view this term as racist and view the PR correct term to be synthetic.

[Bookman230]

GothamLord wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

GothamLord wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
Depends on the real thing.

Example??   You'd take a fake human-like looking robot say over a real flesh and blood person??

Depends on the robot, too.

No there is no depends.   The choice is a human life over that of a program. 

That YOU view as a program. Some view Geth as people, others do not. It is a contreversial issue, but we should realize no side is going to convice each other. So don't be so hostile, please.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Yet the geth sympathizers here are human and not machines, so they the only convincing that must be done is via firing squad.



They have chosen their side in the great robot wars, and I assure you sir that we will put them back on the robot reservations where they belong.