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[cruc1al]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Simple Answer: Bioware already drew controvery for it's graphic depictions of interactive homosexual sex scenes in ME1, they don't intend to repeat the same sort of thing by pushing their view of the after life in either direction. So they ignore it entirely.

Actually, the sex wasn't interactive. It was a cutscene. Moreover, it was optional.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Vicious wrote...
Serious rebuttals only, please.

Try trolling less then Mr. " I know everything about the universe ever."

[phordicus]

i'm sure to shepard it just feels like he was asleep if not comatose. it makes more sense that it would be nothing than something.

[Gamer Xtreme]

You don't have to be religious to have some serious **** go down if you are ressurected



And could comeone please tell me where I gave the impression that I was a Christian?

[MerrickShep]

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

So, I am playing Mass Effect, a game respected and praised for a strong narrative when suddenly something bad happens, I die.

Now, apparently Commander Shepard has been dead for two long years, and he is awoken by the Lazerus project to go "Pwn t3h r34p3r5" So far so predictable. However one massive problem with this beyond the simple lazieness of the setup; WHY THE **** DOES SHEPARD NOT REACT TO HIS DEATH." Seriously BioWare, surely a man that died and was ressurected would at least mention something. If there is an afterlife in this universe, why doesn't he mention that? If there isn't, well then why the hell is nothing said. Isn't it possible for Shep to be a Christian? Well then why does he not say either "My whole system of beliefs is wrong" or "Wow, there is a heaven guys, you should convert." If you really wanted to sidestep the issue you could have at least said; "I can't remember." But instead we are expected to believe Shepard had a two year nap. What I expect is Shepard grappling with existentialism, with how he percieves the universe after his death. Instead we get some throw away one liners and massive lazieness on the part of the writers.

I believe something should have been said not something like there is a heaven and a god because well some people would be like WTF?!?!

But something like "I can't remember" would work. but Shepard didn't know he was gone for two years he had to be told so perhaps it was like sleeping perhaps that's all death is thats why its "Rest in peace" or "Final resting place" it all refers to sleep.

So perhaps when he woke up he only felt like he'd been out for a few seconds just like when you wake up.

I don't believe Shepards  was completly dead anyway he siad he was only mostly dead and so did various other people.

Modifié par MerrickShep, 29 mai 2010 - 09:50 .

[Dougdh]

The one and only true answer...you'll have to think for a moment....You are ALL wrong.

[Pauravi]

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

However one massive problem with this beyond the simple lazieness of the setup; WHY THE **** DOES SHEPARD NOT REACT TO HIS DEATH."  Seriously BioWare, surely a man that died and was ressurected would at least mention something. If there is an afterlife in this universe, why doesn't he mention that?

He says the last thing he remembers is getting spaced.
This implies that there is simply nothing for him to remember.

If there isn't, well then why the hell is nothing said. Isn't it possible for Shep to be a Christian? Well then why does he not say either "My whole system of beliefs is wrong" or "Wow, there is a heaven guys, you should convert." If you really wanted to sidestep the issue you could have at least said; "I can't remember."

Basically, they did.

But instead we are expected to believe Shepard had a two year nap. What I expect is Shepard grappling with existentialism, with how he percieves the universe after his death.

I don't expect this at all, in fact I would be surprised.  Shepard doesn't strike me as a particularly philosophical guy.  He is very driven and task-oriented, and even if he did call himself Christian, he is not portrayed at ALL like a highly spiritual person.  I personally doubt he would have bothered to reflect on the spiritual nature of his ordeal in any case.  Someone who was Christian and didn't think too much about it would probably just figure that they didn't go to heaven 'cause God still had plans for him or whatever.

Instead we get some throw away one liners and massive lazieness on the part of the writers.

I think you're projecting your personal wishes for a philosophical discussion as some flaw in the writing.
Personally, I see absolutely no issue with it.

Modifié par Pauravi, 29 mai 2010 - 10:31 .

[Inverness Moon]

I think it would be interesting if we found out in ME3 that Shepard is more synthetic on the inside now than we are lead to believe in ME2, despite outward appearances. I had thought that there would be more exploration about the boundaries between synthetic and organic life considering Shepard's resurrection. But that didn't happen at all.

And about the spiritual aspect, I'm agnostic about God and stuff like that, but it seems logical to me that you would not move on into a supposed afterlife if you were destined to be brought back to life in the future.

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 29 mai 2010 - 11:50 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Inverness Moon wrote...
... it seems logical to me that you would not move on into a supposed afterlife if you were destined to be brought back to life in the future.

The good Christians around here seem to hope that, when Shepard died, his soul went to Heaven (lol!) and when he was brought back by Cerberus, it somehow returned into Shepard's semi-cybernetic body to tell about the angels.

Sorry good Christians: souls don't return from Heaven! Not unless people get resurrected by God, and TIM apparently isn't one, although he wants to play Him very much.

You must STOP PLAYING ME2 NOW!!!

Because Shepard you play is not the same God's lamb you played in ME1! It's a soulless zombie! A husk! A hellish creature! A tool of Satan!

Unless you think that Shepard is actually Jesus himself, and yes in our affirmative action times one can admit that Jesus even may be a girl on his 2nd arrival, but it's still a sin to play Jesus!

Either way, you must burn your ME2 disk NOW!!!

Or your real life soul may burn in hellfire for eternity!

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 29 mai 2010 - 01:12 .

[Vaenier]

Mr. Sprinkles101 wrote...

Bioware didn't want to cause a controversy over a game and then give it bad rep on the news and what not.

Why not? The community owned that idiot giving bad press about the sex scenes in ME1. Lowest rated book ever on Amazon. I think it even helped the game's sales.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

UR DOIN IT RONG! UR SUPOZED TO PLAY TEH SHOOTEH!!!!!



Seriously, Bioware didnt care about stuff like "a strong plot" or "characters that were well integrated into the plot". That was ME1s forte.



But dont worry, ME2 is a more "precise shooter", that has lots of disconnected shooter missions where you can lie to yourself and claim its all "character driven".

[Makariel]

ReconTeam wrote...

Vicious wrote...
Serious rebuttals only, please.

Try trolling less then Mr. " I know everything about the universe ever."

If he's a troll, why do you feed him? <_<

Besides: you're not really making a point that you'd know more than he does (or you think that he thinks he does)...

[superimposed]

Or, maybe, like a of Mass Effect, it's imaginary science.

[TelexFerra]

I think something like this would have been most appropriate with Kaiden/Ashley on Horizon. If they had asked you what it felt like to be dead for two years, then you'd get a chance to respond. Ashley would certainly give a unique response because (based on what we know from ME1) she is a religious person.

[JeanLuc761]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

UR DOIN IT RONG! UR SUPOZED TO PLAY TEH SHOOTEH!!!!!

Seriously, Bioware didnt care about stuff like "a strong plot" or "characters that were well integrated into the plot". That was ME1s forte.

But dont worry, ME2 is a more "precise shooter", that has lots of disconnected shooter missions where you can lie to yourself and claim its all "character driven".

Out of curiosity, why does it seem like every single one of your posts is bashing on Mass Effect 2's plotline, regardless of the topic? 

Anyways, I have no problem with how they handled Shepard's death.  He said that "The last thing I remember was the Normandy blowing up and getting spaced."  That works for me.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Even with the lack of depth, I find the use of death to force you into working with Cerberus pretty well executed, although it wouldn't make any sense for a Sole Survivor.



What I am concerned about, though, is the possibility BioWare using something similar to force another timeskip upon us for Mass 3. I, for one, am not looking forward to Shepard getting frozen only to awake halfway through the Reaper culling or something like that.



I could see it working, but it would feel too forced.

[smudboy]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Even with the lack of depth, I find the use of death to force you into working with Cerberus pretty well executed, although it wouldn't make any sense for a Sole Survivor.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

So, I am playing Mass Effect, a game respected and praised for a strong narrative when suddenly something bad happens, I die.

Now, apparently Commander Shepard has been dead for two long years, and he is awoken by the Lazerus project to go "Pwn t3h r34p3r5" So far so predictable. However one massive problem with this beyond the simple lazieness of the setup; WHY THE **** DOES SHEPARD NOT REACT TO HIS DEATH." Seriously BioWare, surely a man that died and was ressurected would at least mention something. If there is an afterlife in this universe, why doesn't he mention that? If there isn't, well then why the hell is nothing said. Isn't it possible for Shep to be a Christian? Well then why does he not say either "My whole system of beliefs is wrong" or "Wow, there is a heaven guys, you should convert." If you really wanted to sidestep the issue you could have at least said; "I can't remember." But instead we are expected to believe Shepard had a two year nap. What I expect is Shepard grappling with existentialism, with how he percieves the universe after his death. Instead we get some throw away one liners and massive lazieness on the part of the writers.

Well, I'll give my view on the subject.
It's just that there is no afterlife. For Shepard it was only a big dreamless sleep. No experience. Nothing to report. The pure view of atheistic death. That was, what happened on the game.
Shepard is no character. The producers have said it a thousand times, Shepard's story is your story. Commander Shepard is more of an avatar, or a character you created with a pre-established last name, voice and if you want it or not, face. If they did something like that, it would be on the player's choice of view, what could go into a lot of controversy and trouble. Maybe in the media or even as to how death is or should be treated on the universe and the scientific/religious consequences of it. "Resurrection" is a tough subject, I guess they went with the medical term, "reanimation". Shepard didn't really die. Death in this was treated more as a dramatic effect. This is expressed when he says to that asari on Thane's recruitment "I got better". He didn't expressed that someway he was brought back to life, he just recovered.
Now, I agree that they could explore it more, maybe do as they did in that conversation with Ash on ME1 about religion/afterlife. The best way in my opinion, would be do it on minimum scale, as a conversation with some NPC, just like ME1. Make it only as an expression of Shepard/player's view and leave it there, no real consequences to the game.

[EvilIguana966]

cruc1al wrote...

EvilIguana966 wrote...

I have deduced through other means, however, that God does exist in the Mass Effect universe. It's the Asari. There is no conceivable way, except through some sort of intelligent design, that the Asari could have ended up looking identical to human females except for the head fringe and skin color.

You're funny. Ever thought it's simply a design choice to make humans playing Mass Effect identify with asari characters better? You know, a selling point? Or perhaps you were being sarcastic.

Oh I know it's a design choice and I know it was not intended to suggest what I am saying it suggests.  I'm just doing what a lot of fans do and over-anylizing a work of fiction.  My observation is simply that there is no other rational in-universe explanation for why two separate races of beings existing millions of light years apart would evolve to be nearly identical down to the smallest details. 

[Dave of Canada]

Not sure if it was mentioned, but I took it in that if they mentioned ANYTHING about the afterlife then it would've caused a lot of hate in the game. If you mentioned heaven, then the religions who actually have a heaven would be pleased and would love the game while the others would feel left out (and Athiests would just go "wut").



It's not essential for plot, it delivers nothing in the game itself and would only cause controversy. I can see why they didn't say anything.

[jrubal1462]

I like "Shepard's story is YOUR story" so don't force too many beliefs/ inner monologue on him, combined with, his brain died, as part of his body, so it didn't experience any kind of after life, there for, when reanimated, he has no recollection of anything "beyond".



I also like run-on sentences.

[Vaenier]

In the ME universe, there is a god. Its name is Bioware. It enjoys toying with its playthings, causing immense pain and suffering to its creations, all to entertain people for profit. It is not a loving or caring god, It sells souls on a daily basis, wiping away characters and and poking holes in the timeline on a whim, all to milk as much money out of their creation as possible. Soon the ME god will grow tired of its toy and discard it, letting it slowly shrivel up and die in time, replaced with new playthings.



Wow, that didnt sound as evil in my head...

[Kaiser Shepard]

smudboy wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Even with the lack of depth, I find the use of death to force you into working with Cerberus pretty well executed, although it wouldn't make any sense for a Sole Survivor.

BioWare, doing the impossible since '98.