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I would be glad if James Cameron didn't do the Mass Effect movie. Hell, I don't want anyone to do a Mass Effect movie, but that's another thread entirely. The only thing I could foresee James Cameron bringing to the plate would be money from his Hollywood cred.


Cameron can be a good director, but the Mass Effect story is too good for him to produce a viable end product with. None of his film "successes" are terribly thought provoking films. He specializes in pseudo-bland plots with flashy, expensive visuals. Sure, the Terminator movies were good but not very thought provoking, just action really. The same for Aliens, and the style was just continued from H.R. Giger's designs and Ridley Scott's portrayal in the first movie.


The Abyss had potential to be cool but the plot just took a dive towards the end and it turned out to be a whimsical little jaunt under the water as it ended. Plus the line "They...must of done something to us!" when the underwater creatures brought all of the surviving humans straight to the surface without having them all decompress and die was a huge script cop-out that made no sense and crapped in the face of all plausibility. I would almost prefer all the characters die as a story alternative. Any director who read that scrip  and didn't ask someone in Hollywood to rewrite it in a more creative, plausible fashion than pure deus ex machina comes out as sketchy in my book. (Thank God I don't work in Hollywood)


Avatar was pretty much as other have said, kind of junk food for the eyes. It was tasty to look at but under the surface was one sickly panda. Actually, some of the visuals I thought were uncreative and somewhat crappy to tell the truth. Dammit, here I go again...


-First off, a freakin' moon with an atmosphere and copious amounts of water COULDN'T exist around a gas giant. The tsunamis would wash the planet from the tidal friction of the gas giant. Plus the radiation coming off a gas giant (assuming it's somewhere around the size of Jupiter or Neptune) would be lethal to any Earth-based life.


-Secondly, what was the deal with the flying mountains? Is this fantasy or sci-fi? Okay, maybe they are filled with the element the company is mining. If so, wouldn't it be easier to mine those than start a war with the native inhabitants? Also, the "vortex" that screws up the instruments in these stupid mountains somehow doesn't mess with the link between the Avatar machines and the people using them? There has to be a signal transmission based on story elements, like when Jake is exposed to the Pandora atmosphere.


-Third, you really named a hard-to-get mineral in your story "Unobtainium"? Really...Durr hurr hurr. Wow, I hope the audience gets it! That's clever! At least Element Zero sounds better in the Mass Effect story, at least it's somewhat vaguely hinting at a scientific basis for a naming convention.


-Four, you named the planet Pandora...really? Mr. Cameron's middle school level literary references I guess are intentional since the movie is PG-13? Gotta bring in the kiddies I suppose and make a wider profit margin.


-Fifth, yeah, others mentioned Pocahontas...so ditto.


-Sixth, yep...the forest looks like a forest on earth. Aside from a few bioluminescent plants, the forests are filled with earthlike ferns, trees...hell, most of it is just filler from earth. Did the art direction team get lazy and pull out the fluff-o-matic?


-Seventh, relates to point six because it's about the creatures in Avatar. Some of the creatures are pretty cool, the flyers are nicely designed for example. But the basic designs are pretty much just carried over versions of crap you can find on Earth. Ooo...look, it's a horse with six legs, not four! Oh wait, a panther with six legs, not four! Wait...why don't the Na'Vi have six limbs too since they should be on the same evolutionary chain as most of the other mammals? Doh!


-Eighth, Cameron's "living planet" idea is pretty goofy. Lem's novel Solaris published in 1961 did a better job and had a deeper story. In Cameron's Avatar it makes no sense that creatures are all linked up via a huge neural network. Why would evolution occur and why would the creatures feed off each other? Isn't that somewhat self-destructive to life? You would think a communal concious would steer lifeforms along a path where there would be no predators or prey and a very linear, short but hardy food chain would exist composed largely of plant life. The only thing I can imagine for the creatures existing off each other in Avatar in such a condition would be if all the animal life was engineered on Pandora by an alien race which left after making it all...which also makes no sense (Unless it was the Na'Vi and they somehow lost all their tech).


I'm cutting myself off there. In summary, Cameron isn't hard science fiction, he isn't medium...hell he isn't light science fiction. He puts just enough tech in his movies to keep them from being straight up high fantasy. Most of the tech is just there for visuals, not for story. Mass Effect has tech, it has some goofy story elements too that lend themselves more towards fantasy than sci fi. But, Mass Effect has a serious plot, it is rooted in science fiction despite being a space opera. I'm pretty sure Cameron would slaughter the finer points of the story by just making a visually appealing pseudo-sci-fi-fantasy with a bland script. Just think "Titanic In Spaaaace!" but of course the Normandy is the Titanic and the Collector ship is the iceberg. Image IPB

Modifié par Ryllen Laerth Kriel, 01 juin 2010 - 06:37 .


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Lol, that wall of text just tore up Avatar :P

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Throw_this_away wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...

George Lucas?


god please please no. 

It would ensure a huge budget... and a terrible movie. 


This. George Lucas being a good director is a myth.

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Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

Throw_this_away wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...

George Lucas?


god please please no. 

It would ensure a huge budget... and a terrible movie. 


This. George Lucas being a good director is a myth.


I agree. There's a reason so many people love The Empire Strikes Back. George Lucas had Irvin Kershner direct it!

Honestly, psycho-Talimancers out there, do you really want Tali to take off her helmet and look like an Ewok?

George Lucas would do it. He'd also turn Wrex into Jarjar.

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Its a damned shame that if you were to say Kershner to the general public you'd get blank looks.

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Lucas?

NO.

EMPHATICALLY NO.

The man cannot direct.

Cameron? I'm kind of iffy. I guess with a script not his own he could do it. I hated Avatar but that was due to the story elements rather than direction. I doubt he'd do it.

Blokamp (sp?) the guy who did District 9 would be my pick.

Abrams could do it as well.


Exact opposite of this.

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Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

I would be glad if James Cameron didn't do the Mass Effect movie. Hell, I don't want anyone to do a Mass Effect movie, but that's another thread entirely. The only thing I could foresee James Cameron bringing to the plate would be money from his Hollywood cred.


Cameron can be a good director, but the Mass Effect story is too good for him to produce a viable end product with. None of his film "successes" are terribly thought provoking films. He specializes in pseudo-bland plots with flashy, expensive visuals. Sure, the Terminator movies were good but not very thought provoking, just action really. The same for Aliens, and the style was just continued from H.R. Giger's designs and Ridley Scott's portrayal in the first movie.


The Abyss had potential to be cool but the plot just took a dive towards the end and it turned out to be a whimsical little jaunt under the water as it ended. Plus the line "They...must of done something to us!" when the underwater creatures brought all of the surviving humans straight to the surface without having them all decompress and die was a huge script cop-out that made no sense and crapped in the face of all plausibility. I would almost prefer all the characters die as a story alternative. Any director who read that scrip  and didn't ask someone in Hollywood to rewrite it in a more creative, plausible fashion than pure deus ex machina comes out as sketchy in my book. (Thank God I don't work in Hollywood)


Avatar was pretty much as other have said, kind of junk food for the eyes. It was tasty to look at but under the surface was one sickly panda. Actually, some of the visuals I thought were uncreative and somewhat crappy to tell the truth. Dammit, here I go again...


-First off, a freakin' moon with an atmosphere and copious amounts of water COULDN'T exist around a gas giant. The tsunamis would wash the planet from the tidal friction of the gas giant. Plus the radiation coming off a gas giant (assuming it's somewhere around the size of Jupiter or Neptune) would be lethal to any Earth-based life.


-Secondly, what was the deal with the flying mountains? Is this fantasy or sci-fi? Okay, maybe they are filled with the element the company is mining. If so, wouldn't it be easier to mine those than start a war with the native inhabitants? Also, the "vortex" that screws up the instruments in these stupid mountains somehow doesn't mess with the link between the Avatar machines and the people using them? There has to be a signal transmission based on story elements, like when Jake is exposed to the Pandora atmosphere.


-Third, you really named a hard-to-get mineral in your story "Unobtainium"? Really...Durr hurr hurr. Wow, I hope the audience gets it! That's clever! At least Element Zero sounds better in the Mass Effect story, at least it's somewhat vaguely hinting at a scientific basis for a naming convention.


-Four, you named the planet Pandora...really? Mr. Cameron's middle school level literary references I guess are intentional since the movie is PG-13? Gotta bring in the kiddies I suppose and make a wider profit margin.


-Fifth, yeah, others mentioned Pocahontas...so ditto.


-Sixth, yep...the forest looks like a forest on earth. Aside from a few bioluminescent plants, the forests are filled with earthlike ferns, trees...hell, most of it is just filler from earth. Did the art direction team get lazy and pull out the fluff-o-matic?


-Seventh, relates to point six because it's about the creatures in Avatar. Some of the creatures are pretty cool, the flyers are nicely designed for example. But the basic designs are pretty much just carried over versions of crap you can find on Earth. Ooo...look, it's a horse with six legs, not four! Oh wait, a panther with six legs, not four! Wait...why don't the Na'Vi have six limbs too since they should be on the same evolutionary chain as most of the other mammals? Doh!


-Eighth, Cameron's "living planet" idea is pretty goofy. Lem's novel Solaris published in 1961 did a better job and had a deeper story. In Cameron's Avatar it makes no sense that creatures are all linked up via a huge neural network. Why would evolution occur and why would the creatures feed off each other? Isn't that somewhat self-destructive to life? You would think a communal concious would steer lifeforms along a path where there would be no predators or prey and a very linear, short but hardy food chain would exist composed largely of plant life. The only thing I can imagine for the creatures existing off each other in Avatar in such a condition would be if all the animal life was engineered on Pandora by an alien race which left after making it all...which also makes no sense (Unless it was the Na'Vi and they somehow lost all their tech).


I'm cutting myself off there. In summary, Cameron isn't hard science fiction, he isn't medium...hell he isn't light science fiction. He puts just enough tech in his movies to keep them from being straight up high fantasy. Most of the tech is just there for visuals, not for story. Mass Effect has tech, it has some goofy story elements too that lend themselves more towards fantasy than sci fi. But, Mass Effect has a serious plot, it is rooted in science fiction despite being a space opera. I'm pretty sure Cameron would slaughter the finer points of the story by just making a visually appealing pseudo-sci-fi-fantasy with a bland script. Just think "Titanic In Spaaaace!" but of course the Normandy is the Titanic and the Collector ship is the iceberg. Image IPB




You raise good points, but, some of
them are a little uninformed, but you're certainly hitting the nail on
the head with a few of them.

One, the moon is meant to be
surrounded by extreme magnetic fields, as a result of the
unobtanium on the planet, which protect it from the radiation levels
and the gravitational pull of the gas giant. (Also, Pandora does
experience bad tsunami's, but they are lessened as a result of the
magnetic field.

Two, good luck mining a floating mountain. :P
They tried it at first, but the minerals were so deep inside it that
it used up too much resources, and deemed it a better idea to take it
from the ground, where everything was full..
Also, I can tell
already I'm not going to be good at explaining this, but the reason
the Avatars aren't effected by the vortex is because.. I said I
wouldn't be very good with this, I'm not a scientist, it's something
to do with quantum mechanics, they had engineered atoms to resonate
to one another, so the avatars mental link  wouldn't be effected
by magnetic fields. Maybe it's because I don't understand it
properly, but I always thought this was a bit iffy.

Three,
Titanium used to be called Unobtanium, it honestly is a scientific
term for a compound that "would do something, if it
existed"

Four, Valid point, the reason behind naming it
that is obvious, but that doesn't deduct from the fact that yes,
everyone gets it.

Five, Again, good point, I think it's a
visual masterpiece, but the story has been done to death.

Six,
this, I don't know myself, apparently it was meant to be explained
why Pandoran plants were so similar to Earthen ones in the coming
novelization, but that isn't out yet..

Seven, Pretty much the
same point above, and as for the the Na'vi not having six limbs,
they're not in the same evolutionary chain as the other animals,
remember the monkeys seen at the start of the film? They're part of
the same family.

Eight, agreed here. Apparently it's just the
tree's that are linked up and that the consciousness is meant to
"protect the balance of life," which is canon to the film,
but doesn't make sense.

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Seven, Pretty much the same point above, and as for the the Na'vi not having six limbs, they're not in the same evolutionary chain as the other animals, remember the monkeys seen at the start of the film? They're part of the same family.

Eight, agreed here. Apparently it's just the tree's that are linked up and that the consciousness is meant to "protect the balance of life," which is canon to the film, but doesn't make sense.


Also, I read somewhere an interesting theory for reasoning behind why the Na'vi are so human-like. The neural network encompassing the planet is itself a conscious organism (Eywa), and the animals had co-evolved with the neural network and so evolved those connection tubes. The reason Na'vi are humanoid is that Eywa created the Na'vi when it found out humans were coming to the planet.

That's why the Na'vi think like humans, act like humans, look like humans, are genetically compatible with humans to a degree(--> avatars), why they worship Eywa, and that's why they're the only animals that can command other animals. Eywa predicted that the humans might not cooperate, so it created the Na'vi to provide a means to communicate with the humans, thus finding out about who and what they are, how many there are, if they're a threat, and what their intentions are. Turns out, humans didn't have good intentions, so Eywa decided to roll out the beasts and unleash its fury. End of story. Well, not the end, since there's a sequel coming up.

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cruc1al wrote...

Seven, Pretty much the same point above, and as for the the Na'vi not having six limbs, they're not in the same evolutionary chain as the other animals, remember the monkeys seen at the start of the film? They're part of the same family.

Eight, agreed here. Apparently it's just the tree's that are linked up and that the consciousness is meant to "protect the balance of life," which is canon to the film, but doesn't make sense.


Also, I read somewhere an interesting theory for reasoning behind why the Na'vi are so human-like. The neural network encompassing the planet is itself a conscious organism (Eywa), and the animals had co-evolved with the neural network and so evolved those connection tubes. The reason Na'vi are humanoid is that Eywa created the Na'vi when it found out humans were coming to the planet.

That's why the Na'vi think like humans, act like humans, look like humans, are genetically compatible with humans to a degree(--> avatars), why they worship Eywa, and that's why they're the only animals that can command other animals. Eywa predicted that the humans might not cooperate, so it created the Na'vi to provide a means to communicate with the humans, thus finding out about who and what they are, how many there are, if they're a threat, and what their intentions are. Turns out, humans didn't have good intentions, so Eywa decided to roll out the beasts and unleash its fury. End of story. Well, not the end, since there's a sequel coming up.


.....and how exactly did "Eywa" know humans were coming to Pandora, let alone have the prerequisite centuries/millenia of foreknowledge to allow for the Na'vi to build their culture and history?

Sorry, but that's a pretty retarded theory.

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Hey, thank you for the interesting replies Iknimaya. Very insightful.

I still am unsure Cameron would be a good pick for the Mass Effect movie however, despite his successful film career. It has more to do with style and scope than anything, in my opinion.

Modifié par Ryllen Laerth Kriel, 01 juin 2010 - 11:18 .


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JKoopman wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

Seven, Pretty much the same point above, and as for the the Na'vi not having six limbs, they're not in the same evolutionary chain as the other animals, remember the monkeys seen at the start of the film? They're part of the same family.

Eight, agreed here. Apparently it's just the tree's that are linked up and that the consciousness is meant to "protect the balance of life," which is canon to the film, but doesn't make sense.


Also, I read somewhere an interesting theory for reasoning behind why the Na'vi are so human-like. The neural network encompassing the planet is itself a conscious organism (Eywa), and the animals had co-evolved with the neural network and so evolved those connection tubes. The reason Na'vi are humanoid is that Eywa created the Na'vi when it found out humans were coming to the planet.

That's why the Na'vi think like humans, act like humans, look like humans, are genetically compatible with humans to a degree(--> avatars), why they worship Eywa, and that's why they're the only animals that can command other animals. Eywa predicted that the humans might not cooperate, so it created the Na'vi to provide a means to communicate with the humans, thus finding out about who and what they are, how many there are, if they're a threat, and what their intentions are. Turns out, humans didn't have good intentions, so Eywa decided to roll out the beasts and unleash its fury. End of story. Well, not the end, since there's a sequel coming up.


.....and how exactly did "Eywa" know humans were coming to Pandora, let alone have the prerequisite centuries/millenia of foreknowledge to allow for the Na'vi to build their culture and history?

Sorry, but that's a pretty retarded theory.


I didn't come up with the theory and I'm not advocating it, I'm just saying it's one way to look at it. And excuse my French, I didn't mean Eywa had advance knowledge that humans were coming, I meant that Eywa created them as it found out humans had come there. Also, what culture and history? The point was Eywa created the Na'vi, including their culture and history. I don't know how, floating mountains and all that fantasy crap. It doesn't seem any more of a stretch to me that Eywa created them from scratch than that a species so similar to humans would evolve on another planet.

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If Peter Jackson shot it, that would be cool.

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Slidell505 wrote...

Because the only reason Avatar was a success was because of the 3-D gimmick. In reality it was Pocahontas in space.


Dances with wolfes

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Three simple words. Uwe ****ing Boll.

Now, before any of you rage at me just for the sake of raging and having no opinion at all, let me explain why Uwe Boll would be the perfect director for the ME movie. First of all, he's the Stanley Kubrick of video game movies. Disagree with me? Sit down and watch Postal. This man has played his video games and he delivers. Trust me.

Still unimpressed? Alone in the Dark. He captures the atmosphere of the game in this one and all I was missing when watching that movie was the game controller, because I felt like I was playing the game. Still unimpressed? Well search up this man's filmotography, he makes video game movies from Bloodrayne to Farcry. Speak to me a in a few decades, his movies are going to be long talked about, this man knows what he's doing.

Now, if we can get him to work on Mass Effect, we can get a very solid film that the fans deserve. And that's what we want right? A good movie. Uwe Boll can take care of that, he's got the video game movie experience no director out there has. Disagree with me? Prove it. I'd like you to show me a director that has half the experience Uwe Boll has. That's what I thought.

-Sorry but Uwe Boll is single handedly destroying the video game to movie market.

-House of the Dead, sucked. Lets replace live action zombie killing with video game footage. Or the god awful Matrix bit including a quick recap of whats happened in the movie so far and its only half way through the film at this point.
-Alone in the Dark, granted was not bad but I never played the games so I cant compare it to them.
-Blood Rayne, again sucked. Poorly casted lead actress for starters to only lead into a garbage filled plot.
*After this point Uwe Boll is blacklisted by me to even see a film of his other than as a last choice to watch on tv.
-A Dungeon Siege Tale, sucked from what I could tolerate from just watching it on normal tv and I didn’t even know anything about the game. I watched it for 15 minutes befor turning the station. A bad movie is still a bad movie.
-Postal, why even go there? Never saw it and never will.
-Far Cry, again never saw it and never will.

PwnDaddy123 wrote...
First of all, he's the Stanley Kubrick of video game movies. Disagree with me?

Yea I do. He’s more like Ed Wood, except I actually enjoy watching Ed Wood’s films. But your opinion is yours and I respect that but please don’t ever compare Uwe Boll to a master filmmaker like Stanley Kubrick.

PwnDaddy123 wrote...
I'd like you to show me a director that has half the experience Uwe Boll has.

For video game films, I’ll give you four. Each of their video game films are probably the best in the genre.
-Paul W.S. Anderson- Mortal Kombat, Resident Evil, Resident Evil: Afterlife
-Christophe Gans- Silent Hill.
-Simon West- Lara Croft: Tomb Raider
-Mike Newell- Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
 
 
 

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cruc1al wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

Seven, Pretty much the same point above, and as for the the Na'vi not having six limbs, they're not in the same evolutionary chain as the other animals, remember the monkeys seen at the start of the film? They're part of the same family.

Eight, agreed here. Apparently it's just the tree's that are linked up and that the consciousness is meant to "protect the balance of life," which is canon to the film, but doesn't make sense.


Also, I read somewhere an interesting theory for reasoning behind why the Na'vi are so human-like. The neural network encompassing the planet is itself a conscious organism (Eywa), and the animals had co-evolved with the neural network and so evolved those connection tubes. The reason Na'vi are humanoid is that Eywa created the Na'vi when it found out humans were coming to the planet.

That's why the Na'vi think like humans, act like humans, look like humans, are genetically compatible with humans to a degree(--> avatars), why they worship Eywa, and that's why they're the only animals that can command other animals. Eywa predicted that the humans might not cooperate, so it created the Na'vi to provide a means to communicate with the humans, thus finding out about who and what they are, how many there are, if they're a threat, and what their intentions are. Turns out, humans didn't have good intentions, so Eywa decided to roll out the beasts and unleash its fury. End of story. Well, not the end, since there's a sequel coming up.


.....and how exactly did "Eywa" know humans were coming to Pandora, let alone have the prerequisite centuries/millenia of foreknowledge to allow for the Na'vi to build their culture and history?

Sorry, but that's a pretty retarded theory.


I didn't come up with the theory and I'm not advocating it, I'm just saying it's one way to look at it. And excuse my French, I didn't mean Eywa had advance knowledge that humans were coming, I meant that Eywa created them as it found out humans had come there. Also, what culture and history? The point was Eywa created the Na'vi, including their culture and history. I don't know how, floating mountains and all that fantasy crap. It doesn't seem any more of a stretch to me that Eywa created them from scratch than that a species so similar to humans would evolve on another planet.


Yes, they had an established history. Like the giant pterodactyl skeleton and harness that belonged to her grandfather. Like the fabrics and cloths that adorned their giant tree fort. The jewelry that many of them wore. Unless the tree spirits just magik'd all that inorganic material into existense somehow, there's no way that the entire na'vi race just sprung up out of the earth the instant the humans' feet touched the ground.

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http://movies.ign.co.../1093640p1.html

Ok now that would be an AWSOME ME movie.  What the EFF hes not directing ?!?! Why the EEF not !!!!!!!!


He would be the perfect man for the job.  The only two problems I see is that he is currently working on a sequel to Avatar and the amount of time he would spend on the movie to get it just right.

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If Peter Jackson shot it, that would be cool.


Too bad that he's busy dealing with all of these other movies and has to find a replacement director for The Hobbit.

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If James Cameron could ONLY direct the Mass Effect movie, it might be okay. The problem is he likes to do everything, and if Avatar is any indication, his characters are flat, his plots are unoriginal and he can only write a mediocre screenplay.

I honestly hope this project is cancelled in the early stages. A mediocre to horrendous film adaptation is just what the ME trilogy needs.

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Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

Hey, thank you for the interesting replies Iknimaya. Very insightful.

I still am unsure Cameron would be a good pick for the Mass Effect movie however, despite his successful film career. It has more to do with style and scope than anything, in my opinion.


Exactly, I think it would be a cool Movie, but not a very good Mass Effect one.

.....and how exactly did "Eywa" know humans were coming to
Pandora, let alone have the prerequisite centuries/millenia of
foreknowledge to allow for the Na'vi to build their culture and history?

Sorry,
but that's a pretty retarded theory.

Eh, that doesn't make much sence,  humans sent alotta probes with genetic information etc, a few decades before they sent a manned expedition, but "the time of the first songs" is mentioned in the film, which is meant to be around 5000 ish years ago.

Cool theory, but doesn't match up with the time-line.

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JKoopman wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

Seven, Pretty much the same point above, and as for the the Na'vi not having six limbs, they're not in the same evolutionary chain as the other animals, remember the monkeys seen at the start of the film? They're part of the same family.

Eight, agreed here. Apparently it's just the tree's that are linked up and that the consciousness is meant to "protect the balance of life," which is canon to the film, but doesn't make sense.


Also, I read somewhere an interesting theory for reasoning behind why the Na'vi are so human-like. The neural network encompassing the planet is itself a conscious organism (Eywa), and the animals had co-evolved with the neural network and so evolved those connection tubes. The reason Na'vi are humanoid is that Eywa created the Na'vi when it found out humans were coming to the planet.

That's why the Na'vi think like humans, act like humans, look like humans, are genetically compatible with humans to a degree(--> avatars), why they worship Eywa, and that's why they're the only animals that can command other animals. Eywa predicted that the humans might not cooperate, so it created the Na'vi to provide a means to communicate with the humans, thus finding out about who and what they are, how many there are, if they're a threat, and what their intentions are. Turns out, humans didn't have good intentions, so Eywa decided to roll out the beasts and unleash its fury. End of story. Well, not the end, since there's a sequel coming up.


.....and how exactly did "Eywa" know humans were coming to Pandora, let alone have the prerequisite centuries/millenia of foreknowledge to allow for the Na'vi to build their culture and history?

Sorry, but that's a pretty retarded theory.


I didn't come up with the theory and I'm not advocating it, I'm just saying it's one way to look at it. And excuse my French, I didn't mean Eywa had advance knowledge that humans were coming, I meant that Eywa created them as it found out humans had come there. Also, what culture and history? The point was Eywa created the Na'vi, including their culture and history. I don't know how, floating mountains and all that fantasy crap. It doesn't seem any more of a stretch to me that Eywa created them from scratch than that a species so similar to humans would evolve on another planet.


Yes, they had an established history. Like the giant pterodactyl skeleton and harness that belonged to her grandfather. Like the fabrics and cloths that adorned their giant tree fort. The jewelry that many of them wore. Unless the tree spirits just magik'd all that inorganic material into existense somehow, there's no way that the entire na'vi race just sprung up out of the earth the instant the humans' feet touched the ground.


Then how do you explain that such a human-like species evolved on another planet independently? Magic? Seems equally unreasonable to me.

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Then how do you explain that such a human-like species evolved on another planet independently? Magic? Seems equally unreasonable to me.


And here we are on a Mass Effect forum discussing unreasonabilities of human-like species evolving on another planet.

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KitsuneRommel wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

Then how do you explain that such a human-like species evolved on another planet independently? Magic? Seems equally unreasonable to me.


And here we are on a Mass Effect forum discussing unreasonabilities of human-like species evolving on another planet.


First we were discussing the unreasonabilities of a human-like species being created on the spot by a planetary super-organism... :whistle:

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a movie full of enhanced screen visuals with so much movements to make you feel its 3D, but it is not :P

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Also, I read somewhere an interesting theory for reasoning behind why the Na'vi are so human-like. The neural network encompassing the planet is itself a conscious organism (Eywa), and the animals had co-evolved with the neural network and so evolved those connection tubes. The reason Na'vi are humanoid is that Eywa created the Na'vi when it found out humans were coming to the planet.

That's why the Na'vi think like humans, act like humans, look like humans, are genetically compatible with humans to a degree(--> avatars), why they worship Eywa, and that's why they're the only animals that can command other animals. Eywa predicted that the humans might not cooperate, so it created the Na'vi to provide a means to communicate with the humans, thus finding out about who and what they are, how many there are, if they're a threat, and what their intentions are. Turns out, humans didn't have good intentions, so Eywa decided to roll out the beasts and unleash its fury. End of story. Well, not the end, since there's a sequel coming up.


.....and how exactly did "Eywa" know humans were coming to Pandora, let alone have the prerequisite centuries/millenia of foreknowledge to allow for the Na'vi to build their culture and history?

Sorry, but that's a pretty retarded theory.


I didn't come up with the theory and I'm not advocating it, I'm just saying it's one way to look at it. And excuse my French, I didn't mean Eywa had advance knowledge that humans were coming, I meant that Eywa created them as it found out humans had come there. Also, what culture and history? The point was Eywa created the Na'vi, including their culture and history. I don't know how, floating mountains and all that fantasy crap. It doesn't seem any more of a stretch to me that Eywa created them from scratch than that a species so similar to humans would evolve on another planet.


Yes, they had an established history. Like the giant pterodactyl skeleton and harness that belonged to her grandfather. Like the fabrics and cloths that adorned their giant tree fort. The jewelry that many of them wore. Unless the tree spirits just magik'd all that inorganic material into existense somehow, there's no way that the entire na'vi race just sprung up out of the earth the instant the humans' feet touched the ground.


Then how do you explain that such a human-like species evolved on another planet independently? Magic? Seems equally unreasonable to me.


I explain it by saying that James Cameron has little imagination and wanted an alien race that real humans sitting in a real theater could empathise with (unlike, ya know, a race of sentient mucus monsters which neither the audience nor the protagonist would've given a rat's ass about).

That's a total straw man argument. You're applying real-life principles to a piece of fantasy cinema. You might as well ask for me to explain the evolutionary plausibility of hobbits and elves while you're at it.

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You're applying real-life principles to a piece of fantasy cinema.


Exactly. You also need to apply real-life principles if you wish to say it doesn't make sense that Eywa simply created the Na'vi. Which is why I said that option doesn't make any less sense than Na'vi evolving to be so similar to humans.