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[Hwalkerl]

masterkajo wrote...

Only way the movie would work for me is if it does in no way limit the game choices you made. So if I would watch the movie and the main character is someone I killed in my game or talks to someone I killed that would ruin it for me.

It should just play in the ME universe giving some more infos, story and action but in no way interfering with the game (mostly like the comics do).

The thing is the game is going to be a departure from the game.  Hopefully they will use some of the source material but make it into its own story the plot and flow worked for the game but a movie is a different medium.  If you take the game out of Mass effect it is a lot of diaogue.  Most movies don't have that much.  I think what I was trying to get at was that this movie has to build on the brand of Mass Effect in orderfor the name to surpass its videogame designation.  I mean they have made books but have yet to reach a Mass audience that Mass Effect would likely need cater too if it were to be transitioned into a movie format.

Modifié par Hwalkerl, 29 novembre 2010 - 11:58 .

[Omega-202]

Dualfinger wrote...

Look, as much as I oppose the entire concept (that is, a lot) there is a formula that one can work with to make spin offs ok. Mainly, under no curcumstances should the stroy of the orginal ever be retold. Of a the licenced games out there, Arkham's Asylum was the only decent one, because they took the premise and bulit around that.

So yeah, if they were to make a decent mass effect film, it'd be one that avoids the game entirly and just uses the concept behind it. A Director who's played the game indepth and actually repects/enjoys it would also help.

Tell that to Peter Jackson.  And while you're at it, call Warner Brothers up and tell them they were wrong by making the most successful movie franchise in history (Harry Potter).

Adaptations are always better than "riffs" or "spin-offs" when it comes to making movies.  

Name one "spin-off" movie that was derived from a game, book or comic book that was more successful than the plethora of HUMONGOUS adaptation successes.  I dare anyone to name one.  Adapting an established story from a non-film based media is always going to be the better option over taking it in a new direction within the same universe.  

That's just a fact and (I'm sorry to say this) Dualfinger is talking from a point of extreme bias.  All of the people who are saying "don't adapt ME1" are only saying this because they don't want their vision of the game messed with.  They aren't speaking from an objective point of view.  The question is "what will be the most successful film" not "what do the fans want to see", because honestly, the "fans" are so small in number overall that our ticket purchases won't matter in the end one way or the other.  

If there were 2 million copies of ME/ME2 sold (2 million individuals who've played the games), how many do you think would care so much about their version of Shepard being destroyed that they wouldn't go see the movie?  10%?  5%?  Even if we say 20%, that's less than $5 million off of the gross if EVERY person who's played the game is expected to be a potential customer.  But that's not even a reasonable assumption because there will be plenty of people who will pirate/rent it later.  

But assuming $5 million is the cost for using the Shepard trilogy as the basis for the movie: that $5 million could be saved in writing time and writers fees because you'd already have a story set out.  It would be saved in concept art and reference shots.  It would be saved in advertising as you already have your characters established through product awareness.  Even people who haven't played the games can recognize Vanderloo/Shepard if they saw the commercials from last fall.  People have stronger facial recognition than they do brand recognition.  

But not only that, a Shepard Trilogy would make more money from the start.  The objective quality of the story from ME1/2 is higher than anything you can get out of the rest of the ME universe.  What other GALAXY THREATENING enemy can you bring in?  What bigger drama is there?  What larger, more impactful protagonist can you write who has a bigger role than Shepard?

In summary, the spin-off people really have to wake up.  

Modifié par Omega-202, 30 novembre 2010 - 12:34 .

[Hwalkerl]

Omega-202 wrote...

Dualfinger wrote...

Look, as much as I oppose the entire concept (that is, a lot) there is a formula that one can work with to make spin offs ok. Mainly, under no curcumstances should the stroy of the orginal ever be retold. Of a the licenced games out there, Arkham's Asylum was the only decent one, because they took the premise and bulit around that.

So yeah, if they were to make a decent mass effect film, it'd be one that avoids the game entirly and just uses the concept behind it. A Director who's played the game indepth and actually repects/enjoys it would also help.

Tell that to Peter Jackson.  And while you're at it, call Warner Brothers up and tell them they were wrong by making the most successful movie franchise in history (Harry Potter).

Adaptations are always better than "riffs" or "spin-offs" when it comes to making movies.  

Name one "spin-off" movie that was derived from a game, book or comic book that was more successful than the plethora of HUMONGOUS adaptation successes.  I dare anyone to name one.  Adapting an established story from a non-film based media is always going to be the better option over taking it in a new direction within the same universe.  

That's just a fact and (I'm sorry to say this) Dualfinger is talking from a point of extreme bias.  All of the people who are saying "don't adapt ME1" are only saying this because they don't want their vision of the game messed with.  They aren't speaking from an objective point of view.  The question is "what will be the most successful film" not "what do the fans want to see", because honestly, the "fans" are so small in number overall that our ticket purchases won't matter in the end one way or the other.  

If there were 2 million copies of ME/ME2 sold (2 million individuals who've played the games), how many do you think would care so much about their version of Shepard being destroyed that they wouldn't go see the movie?  10%?  5%?  Even if we say 20%, that's less than $5 million off of the gross if EVERY person who's played the game is expected to be a potential customer.  But that's not even a reasonable assumption because there will be plenty of people who will pirate/rent it later.  

But assuming $5 million is the cost for using the Shepard trilogy as the basis for the movie: that $5 million could be saved in writing time and writers fees because you'd already have a story set out.  It would be saved in concept art and reference shots.  It would be saved in advertising as you already have your characters established through product awareness.  Even people who haven't played the games can recognize Vanderloo/Shepard if they saw the commercials from last fall.  People have stronger facial recognition than they do brand recognition.  

But not only that, a Shepard Trilogy would make more money from the start.  The objective quality of the story from ME1/2 is higher than anything you can get out of the rest of the ME universe.  What other GALAXY THREATENING enemy can you bring in?  What bigger drama is there?  What larger, more impactful protagonist can you write who has a bigger role than Shepard?

In summary, the spin-off people really have to wake up.  

This is true the game would be less of a success if it deviated from the main storyline of the franchise.  There are alot of spinoff storytales to tell but not as grandeose as the one already being told.  The threat to the galaxy newly discovered .  Especially if they made the first game into a sci/fi mystery would attract alot more viewers then those that have just played the game. The story we discovered playing ME1 would also appeal to other no gamers if told in a different medium (ala movie).   The movie needs a broader appeal and would probably be less successful if it does an offshot story in the ME universe like first contact which would be good but not as epic and grandeose as the one we already have.  Where else is their impending galactic doom.  I think alot of people are just afaid it would betray the character they have developed if bioware uses shepard but of course it is not going to be the same it is a different medium.  It would be assanine to say the least if bio-ware didn't use the overall story arch characters they have already established even if the story varies slightly.  To take the movie in a different direction completely from the game would be a waste of an excellent story whcih should be told in the movie medium!

[mopotter]

Gorn Kregore wrote...

Um if they make it based out of something relevant to the mass effect storyline but not relevant to Shepard than its all good

This.  If it stars Shepard, or shows a specific person as Shepard I won't see it until its on free tv at 2 in the morning.  Just the way I am.  Won't pay to see someone else's idea of what Shepard looks like, talks like and acts like.     The only hint of Shepard I would pay for is if they mentioned the name "I heard Shepard was seen on Tuchana" or A shadow figure in the distance and someone saying "Look it's Commander Shepard, maybe I can get an autograph"  Notice here - no mention of sex.  

[Omega-202]

mopotter wrote...

Gorn Kregore wrote...

Um if they make it based out of something relevant to the mass effect storyline but not relevant to Shepard than its all good

This.  If it stars Shepard, or shows a specific person as Shepard I won't see it until its on free tv at 2 in the morning.  Just the way I am.  Won't pay to see someone else's idea of what Shepard looks like, talks like and acts like.     The only hint of Shepard I would pay for is if they mentioned the name "I heard Shepard was seen on Tuchana" or A shadow figure in the distance and someone saying "Look it's Commander Shepard, maybe I can get an autograph"  Notice here - no mention of sex.  

Notice here- no relevance to the question posed by the OP.

The purpose isn't "what do YOU want to see in an ME movie" its "what would objectively be best for a ME movie".

Do you honestly think, without any personal bias, that completely disregarding the BIGGEST possible story in Mass Effect is objectively the best choice for the overall quality and financial viability of the film?  

You can't honestly believe that.  Your opinion screams of "I don't want to see a male/paragon Shepard because I don't want my vision ruined".  That's not objective.  That's not looking after the best interest of the film's profitability.  That's a view that you hold and one that is irrelevant to 99% of the people who would end up seeing the film.   

[Danxtur]

If you have such a issue on how Shepard is going to be like then why bother watching the film?



It's not like it's going to be the end of the world.

[g-w-m]

Dualfinger wrote...

Look, as much as I oppose the entire concept (that is, a lot) there is a formula that one can work with to make spin offs ok. Mainly, under no curcumstances should the stroy of the orginal ever be retold. Of a the licenced games out there, Arkham's Asylum was the only decent one, because they took the premise and bulit around that.

So yeah, if they were to make a decent mass effect film, it'd be one that avoids the game entirly and just uses the concept behind it. A Director who's played the game indepth and actually repects/enjoys it would also help.

I agree. Shepard's story will already be told, & replaying that in a movie where the audience can't control the main character will just ruin everything. Mass Effect franchise will be ruined!! 

But PLENTY of opportunity to make many films off other parts of the Mass Effect universe. Just don't make a movie to retell a story thats already been told brilliantly. 

[Liou]

I've never seen a good movie based on a game so my expectations isn't exactly high. First of all, i think it would be a huge mistake to focus on Shepard. We all have our own idea about who and what Shepard is. There is no satisfying solution to this. Instead, they should tell a separate story in the universe like the novels and comics. They would also need to respect the source material and work VERY close with BioWare to ensure that everything is right.

[Danxtur]

Since when did we play a film? and how will that ruin the Mass Effect franchise? 

and what is there to worry about, it's just a film?!

Modifié par Danxtur, 06 décembre 2010 - 07:16 .

[Hwalkerl]

Liou wrote...

I've never seen a good movie based on a game so my expectations isn't exactly high. First of all, i think it would be a huge mistake to focus on Shepard. We all have our own idea about who and what Shepard is. There is no satisfying solution to this. Instead, they should tell a separate story in the universe like the novels and comics. They would also need to respect the source material and work VERY close with BioWare to ensure that everything is right.

I think we have covered your opinion in the previous statements listed in this thread.  Your opinion is similar to that of people opposing book to movie transitions.  The medium to which the product is shown is different.  To do an offshoot of the preexisting elements would not be as Successful!  Read the previous posts in this forum and make a valid reponse to the arguments already made.  This comment is just a re-iteration of the ones already made.  Convince me as to why from a business perspective your idea makes sence?!

[MarchoftheVolus]

Danxtur wrote...

If you have such a issue on how Shepard is going to be like then why bother watching the film?

It's not like it's going to be the end of the world.

No, but it may just be the end to the series. Ending the series by nullifying the players stories (created over the course of 3 games with plenty of DLC) is not wise. Why make a video game series that revolves around the players choices then pull that rug out from under them by ending it with a movie that has a definitive ending and a definitive sex/appearance for the protaganist of the series? There's no logic in that.

[marshalleck]

Nothing will make the Mass Effect movie work. It's going to suck, and it will bomb. If people thought the comics were bad, wait until Hollywood gets their tendrils all over this series. "Crafting the ‘New’ ‘Star Wars’ ala Mass Effect"--hilarious. That in itself is why Mass Effect movie will be awful. The premise of the thread is turning ME into something it wasn't trying to be.

Modifié par marshalleck, 26 janvier 2011 - 04:18 .

[JHU_P4NDA]

I think the inherent problem with being able to have a game with so many drastically different variables and playstyles makes it (sadly) difficult or impossible to film. At the very least, it would have to be a spinoff movie rather than the full plot, and I really don't know how viable that would be, since fighting off a Reaper Invasion is about as exciting as the Mass Effect universe could get.



But the variables...Who survives, Ash or Kaidan? Did Wrex die? Was Shepard Renegade or Paragon? Who does he romance? Does he cheat after he's born again? Would anyone besides Yvonne Strahovski be able to play Miranda? The list goes on and on...



It just seems like asking for a movie where, 10 minutes into the movie, half of the theater is miffed because the story didn't go the same way they played in their playthrough.



Personally, I wouldn't give a damn, I would be DYING to see this come to life on the big screen.

[ianmcdonald]

I don't get how people think a movie will ruin their Mass Effect experience. A crappy movie won't keep the game from being excellent.

Also, you people who are hoping for a Shepard-less movie are going to be very disappointed.

[JHU_P4NDA]

ianmcdonald wrote...

Also, you people who are hoping for a Shepard-less movie are going to be very disappointed.

No way. A Harry Potter movie about Neville would be totally successful, right?

Of course Shepard would be the protagonist! 

[ianmcdonald]

JHU_P4NDA wrote...

ianmcdonald wrote...

Also, you people who are hoping for a Shepard-less movie are going to be very disappointed.

No way. A Harry Potter movie about Neville would be totally successful, right?

Of course Shepard would be the protagonist!

It's astonishing how few people understand this. I, for one, am really excited about the movie.

[JHU_P4NDA]

ianmcdonald wrote...

JHU_P4NDA wrote...

ianmcdonald wrote...

Also, you people who are hoping for a Shepard-less movie are going to be very disappointed.

No way. A Harry Potter movie about Neville would be totally successful, right?

Of course Shepard would be the protagonist!

It's astonishing how few people understand this. I, for one, am really excited about the movie.

Yeah, and I hate to draw the HP card again, but many many people griped about the Harry Potter movies, and lets be honest, some of them are honestly pretty poor...but they still make boatloads of money anyway, because people pay to see their imagination come to life. In this case there's substantially less imagination, but who doesn't want to see the entire Mass Effect story told like the cinematic trailer of ME2? The one of Thane, Grunt, and Shepard fighting against collectors. LOVED it.

[MarchoftheVolus]

ianmcdonald wrote...

I don't get how people think a movie will ruin their Mass Effect experience. A crappy movie won't keep the game from being excellent.

*sigh* You haven't been reading peoples posts, have you? People feel it will ruin their ME experiance by establishing one definitive ending for Shepard (as well as a definitive Sex/Appearance), nullfying the choices they have (will have, when ME3 drops) made over the coarse of 3 games and DLC content. That idea doesn't sit well with many fans, they're attached to THEIR Shepard and THEIR story. There is a reason you don't see many people using the default Shepard and story.

[ianmcdonald]

MarchoftheVolus wrote...

ianmcdonald wrote...

I don't get how people think a movie will ruin their Mass Effect experience. A crappy movie won't keep the game from being excellent.

*sigh* You haven't been reading peoples posts, have you? People feel it will ruin their ME experiance by establishing one definitive ending for Shepard (as well as a definitive Sex/Appearance), nullfying the choices they have (will have, when ME3 drops) made over the coarse of 3 games and DLC content. That idea doesn't sit well with many fans, they're attached to THEIR Shepard and THEIR story. There is a reason you don't see many people using the default Shepard and story.

No, it won't. It won't establish a "definitive" ending or storyline anymore than someone else's playthrough would. Again, the game will not change one bit. You people are acting as though the game will update itself and remove all choices once the movie is released. That's silly.

[Killjoy Cutter]

The LAST thing that a Mass Effect movie should feature is Shephard or his immediate squadmembers. That story is for the player to tell, not the screenwriter, the director, or the actors.

[Exiled Eagle]

Not making the movie at all.

[MarchoftheVolus]

ianmcdonald wrote...

No, it won't. It won't establish a "definitive" ending or storyline anymore than someone else's playthrough would. Again, the game will not change one bit. You people are acting as though the game will update itself and remove all choices once the movie is released. That's silly.

See, there is a major flaw in that analogy.....players aren't producing movies based on the series, and even if they did it would not be canon (needs to be aproved by Bioware first). You're oblivious to other players actions and storyline, and even if you weren't the games still leave room for variation in stories. That would not be the case with a Mass Effect Movie (unless they made a CG movie importing all the decision you've made...but we know that's not happening). Whether you wan't to acknowledge it or not movies/books establish canon. Not a good thing in a series driven by the players actions.

[swirlwind]

I'll go see it if it doesn't feature Shepard in any role whatsoever. I'll consider seeing it if it features femShep. I'll ignore it completely if it features maleShep.

[UKStory135]

I'd like to see a movie based on the Skyllian Blitz.

[ianmcdonald]

MarchoftheVolus wrote...

ianmcdonald wrote...

No, it won't. It won't establish a "definitive" ending or storyline anymore than someone else's playthrough would. Again, the game will not change one bit. You people are acting as though the game will update itself and remove all choices once the movie is released. That's silly.

See, there is a major flaw in that analogy.....players aren't producing movies based on the series, and even if they did it would not be canon (needs to be aproved by Bioware first). You're oblivious to other players actions and storyline, and even if you weren't the games still leave room for variation in stories. That would not be the case with a Mass Effect Movie (unless they made a CG movie importing all the decision you've made...but we know that's not happening). Whether you wan't to acknowledge it or not movies/books establish canon. Not a good thing in a series driven by the players actions.

Right. The film wouldn't be considered "canon" any more than the books are. Many Mass Effect fans don't consider the books canon but enjoy them just the same. I'm just saying that the film would be the director's and the screenwriters' version of the game.

Also, why spend the money to obtain the film rights to a video game and not tell the story of the game?