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[Last Darkness]

Ok so for my next Origens game I want to be the evilest ruthless monster I can possibly be. I need some advice and help trying to make a general walkthrough for deicision choices.
For the game from what ive seen so far...
Kill Dog, be a jerk to sten and leave him to die, recruit leilana but kill her after defiling the ashes, kill wynn first fight, recruit ogren, recruit logaine, recruit zevran but kill him when he betrays you, recruit shale and kill her in deep roads.
Nature of the Beast, side with the wolves and kill the elves.
Paragon of her Kind, side with Branka and preserve the anvil.
Broken Circle, kill all the mages particularly Irving at the top and side with templars.
(Broken circle, if your a blood mage I hear you can kill the mages then kill all the templars, confirm for console please?)
Landsmeet, as a human noble make yourself king. Otherwise make anora queen?
Your party should be you, Morrigan, ogren, alistair/Loghaine, and maybe Dog.

Things im unsure on....can you sleep with Morrigan at the end to make a baby AND have Loghaine sacrifice himself?
Can you Defile the Urn of Sacred Ashes AND betray the cult and kill the dragon?
Can you in red cliff abandon the town, kill the blacksmith daughter and the blacksmith, then kill the erls wife AND son? or can you kill her and save his boy by having sex with teh desire demon?

Generalities kill whenever possible, make deals with demons etc.

Please post suggestions for the most evil/ruthless/betrayal option you can think of for each situation.

[Sarah1281]

Okay, to have Zevran betray you you needto make him really hate you. If he betrays you it's not an evil bastard hing to do to betray him but killing him either before he wakes up or after he begs to join you is.



If you're going to keep the Anvil put Harrowmont as King. He might appear 'nice' but you really screw over the dwarves with him and Branka combined while Bhelen is actually okay with her. If you are a blood mage you will need a mod to make Wynne call you on it and if you don't deny it then yes they will both attack.



If you want to be King you need to marry Anora and be a HN unless you have a mod. You cannot take the throne by yourself. You can let Anora kill Alistair if you recruit Loghain and tell him to be a man for once when he starts freaking out that he's a sacrifical lamb. Extra evil points for telling Alistair what a great King he'll make and being cruel to him until you find out he could be King and then start buttering him up. You cannot do the DR and sacrifice Loghain because the point of the DR is so no one dies killing the Archdemon. It might be more of an evil bastard move to do the DR because who knows what will happen with the demon baby and Loghain is sent to Orlais in Awakenings.



If you abandon Redcliffe then the blacksmith will be dead along with everyone in the town but Teagan. I don't know if the daughter is dead yet but you can't kill her, only don't find her and she dies. You can either kill Connor, have Isolde kill him, or sacrifice Isolde. I think the truly evil bastard thing to do in this situation is playing as a mage having Jowan sacrifice Isolde to enter the Fade and then agreeing to let the demon keep Connor in exchange for her sleeping with you. You really can't get more evil then that.



And then if you choose to be Anora's chancellor at the end you could be an evil chancellor.

[Last Darkness]

Thank you Sarah, some of those options I didnt know about. I was curious about the redcliff thing cause Im not 100% sure what i want to do with my characters and would like the option of the best bow in the game availible at the redcliff blacksmith after the first one dies. Dont know if you can just leave the town be and he dies then the new one moves in or you have to get him to kill himself over his daughter then the new one moves in. Im pretty sure I wanna run the human noble route but im thinking about being a ranged character or for ****s and giggles since alistair has a large dex and I dont plan on using him asa tank make him a archer warrior. Anyways getting off track can anyone confirm the other options for Evil/Ruthless solutions?

[Sarah1281]

If you leave the town after talking to Teagan and before telling Murdock you're ready and go anywhere further than camp then EVERYONE in the village except Teagan will die including the blacksmith.

[Last Darkness]

Sarah1281 wrote...

If you leave the town after talking to Teagan and before telling Murdock you're ready and go anywhere further than camp then EVERYONE in the village except Teagan will die including the blacksmith.

Is it possible in red cliff to join the night battle but let everyone get killed? maybe on a higher difficulty even using Morrigans AoEs to do some firendly fire?

[Sarah1281]

Last Darkness wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

If you leave the town after talking to Teagan and before telling Murdock you're ready and go anywhere further than camp then EVERYONE in the village except Teagan will die including the blacksmith.

Is it possible in red cliff to join the night battle but let everyone get killed? maybe on a higher difficulty even using Morrigans AoEs to do some firendly fire?

 No. You could let the whole milita die but if you're still standing the civilians will still be fine in the Chantry. You have to leave if you want the whole village to die.

[thegreateski]

It is possible to join the night battle and kill everyone outside by using AOE or simply standing off to the side while they fight.

The civilians will be unharmed.

Modifié par thegreateski, 29 mai 2010 - 06:03 .

[BHRamsay]

...And then you can kick a puppy...:-)

Seriously thought I have been replaying JE recently and have once again disocvered the simple joys of Closed Fist Mastery including being able to kick small animals.

Modifié par BHRamsay, 29 mai 2010 - 01:57 .

[CalJones]

You don't need a mod to make Wynne attack you - just take Morrigan to the Circle Tower and Wynne will freak out that you are travelling with an apostate.

[Cyberfrog81]

Yes, there seems to be a desire of killing companions. Which is fine, except then they won't be witness to your cruelty. Romance-related evilness seem petty, but nasty breakups are at least a possibility (I believe I took a more than 90 point approval loss from Morrigan once). Oh, and Morrigan often approves of "evil" actions. Wynne, Leliana and Alistair often do not (i.e. they are "better" witnesses).

[Sarah1281]

CalJones wrote...

You don't need a mod to make Wynne attack you - just take Morrigan to the Circle Tower and Wynne will freak out that you are travelling with an apostate.

That only works if you fail Morrigan's persuade check. OTOH, not letting Wynne come along or telling Cullen you'd do what he asks whle Wynne is in the party will definitely get her to attack.

But that wasn't what I said. I said that if you want Wynne to out you as blood mage to Irving and Greagoir so you can kill both then you need a mod to restore that bit of dialouge.

[Ronashavar]

You can still stick around Redcliff Village and still be totally evil, in fact I recommend that you do instead of outright abandoning it because you'll miss out on tons of xp. Talk to Owen and kill him on the spot. Talk to Dwynn the dwarf and kill him. Talk to Berrick the elven spy and kill him as well. Talk to Loyd, the barkeep and kill him. That opens up a chance for you to own the bar and have Bella run it. You can continue visiting her and asking for the profits. Intimidate the revered mother into giving the knights amulets. Finally during the final battle, if you are a mage try using AOE attacks to wipe out not only the undead, but the knights and the villagers as well! My personal favorite is casting virulent walking bomb on an undead which draws aggro, leading him into the crowd of village defenders, paralyzing him, running just far enough to reach a safe distance, then casting drain life to finish him off causing an explosion, taking out a bunch of the villagers in the process.(this always causes my little entropic blood mage to declare "how delightful!") Unfortunately since you and I both play on the consoles we will never get to play the circle tower option that Sarah1281 mentioned. I'm not really sure if it is bugged or if it was left out intentionally, but the option to confess to being a blood mage after Wynne attempts to out you in front of Gregoir is unavailable unless you use a mod via the toolset. Yes, you can definitely defile the ashes and then turn around and kill Kolgrim after he rewards you pouring the dragons blood into the urn.



Some things not mentioned yet:In the village of Honnleath you can bargain w/ Kitty for an alright staff in exchange for allowing her to possess Amalia. In Orzamarr's Dust Town, tell Zerlinda to abandon her baby to the deep roads. She'll reply, "how can you say that!" Persuade her. In Ortan Taig, kill Ruck(after purchasing anything you might want from him of course)then tell his mother that he's alive, she'll brave the deep roads to look for him...Kill Alimar the shop keeper for not providing enough info about Jarvia. In the circle tower, allow the desire demon to leave w/ the templar. In the dalish camp, be sure to steal from everyone and try opening the chest next to Lanaya and Zathrian, but ignoring Lanaya's warning and failing a persuasion check,so that when you leave the camp, you will be confronted by an angry dalish woman and her band of archers, sleep w/ either Cammen or Gheyna and then tell one of them about it to keep them apart for good. Lie to Alora by telling her the halla is infected. In the brecillian forest, loot Deygan's equipment and then suffocate him. In the ancient elven ruins, toss the phylactery to the ground after convincing the spirit to teach you the arcane warrior specialization. If you choose to side w/ the werewolves and slaughter the dalish, be sure to look for Panowen in the brecillian forest afterwards to kill her and the remaining dalish survivors. Last but certainly not least, do not honor the good King Cailan w/ a funeral pyre. Leave him to the darkspawn...

[Drasanil]

For the Bercilian forest: Kill the gatekeeper, listen to the Lady of the Forest and tell her you don't care and kill her and the werewolves who are in some ways the victims at this point, make sure you wear her heart as an amulet, let Zathrian live, which will give the dalish a less good ending in the epilogue. Kill the Grand Oak, kill the Hermit too.



Don't harden Alistair, don't sleep with him (if fem PC) and make him king, make him loose his cherry to Morrigan and choose to be his chancellor at the end. Kill Loghain in the landsmeet of course, the look on Anora's blood spattered face is priceless.



Other companions shouldn't necessarily be killed out of hand but only tolerated as long as they're useful, you'll probably get more mileage out of Zevran and Morrigan than Leliana and Wynne. Keep dog he's the only one you can trust. Save Sten but take off his head when he challenges you for leadership of the group in Haven after having found Asala for him.



Redcliffe the best outcome is letting Isolde kill her own child.



Harrowmont+Branka+helping Brother Burkel will really screw over the dwarves.



Circle: kill Wynne and persuade Alistair to go along with it because protecting the children might be a trick, side with Cullen *after* saving Irving just to give him a bit of false hope before dashing it.



Let Caledrius sacrifice the city elves to improve your health.



Let Vaughn go in the Arl's dungeon.

[Sarah1281]

Redcliffe the best outcome is letting Isolde kill her own child.

I don't know about this. I still think letting Isolde sacrifice herself so you can get laid and letting the demon keep Connor is more evil.

[Drasanil]

I admit that is rather tempting. Although when my PC gets laid by the desire demon I normally force her into it after making her give Connor's soul back, raping a sex-demon is the sort of moral bankrupcy few mortals can manage but the Warden can really be that bad.



I normally go with Isolde killing Connor because she has to live with it and that can be so much worse than death, especially since her second child ends up being a mage who gets packed off to the Tower any ways.

[Ronashavar]

I completely agree w/ Sarah. You simply cannot top trading Connor's soul for some demon nookie. In fact, it's so evil that even my little entropic blood mage who released a pride demon for some coin and told Avernus to continue his horrific research could not do it...

[Last Darkness]

Is there a way to kill Connor and His mother?

an is this confirmed about being able to kill Sten at Haven? thats alot better then leaving him to die.

[Drasanil]

Last Darkness wrote...

Is there a way to kill Connor and His mother?

Unless you count sacrifice plus leaving the demon alone not that I know of.

an is this confirmed about being able to kill Sten at Haven? thats alot better then leaving him to die.

I've never done it myself but I'm pretty sure that you can kill him when he challenges you at Haven... acutally I just checked the wiki it doesn't mention that you can kill him but you can kick him out after you beat him. I'll give it a try next time I go through Haven and see what happens.

[Sarah1281]

Last Darkness wrote...

Is there a way to kill Connor and His mother?

No, but selling Connor's soul to a demon is worse than killing him.

[Last Darkness]

Heres one as a Human Noble male is it possible to get Logaine AND marry Anora? while havinga relationship with Morrigan and doing the dark ritual?

On a similar note can I romance Leilana then kill her at the ashes then romance morrigan?



Also to the person talking about dog yeah I agree keep dog you gotta love him. Name him something nasty like "The Castrater"

[Sarah1281]

Yes. You have to announce to everyone at the Landsmeet you plan to rule with Anora and Anora on the throne (alone or with Alistair/you) is the only way to spare Loghain. Leliana/Morrigan won't force you to choose between them until they hit +71 adore and if you're on the console you kind of have to guess so I'd recommend hitting Haven pretty quickly. You don't even have to save/destroy Redcliffe yet, just go to Brother Genitivi's House and 'Weylon' fills you in. You can be with Morrigan and do the ritual but if the ritual is done no one dies fighting the Archdemon.

[Last Darkness]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Yes. You have to announce to everyone at the Landsmeet you plan to rule with Anora and Anora on the throne (alone or with Alistair/you) is the only way to spare Loghain. Leliana/Morrigan won't force you to choose between them until they hit +71 adore and if you're on the console you kind of have to guess so I'd recommend hitting Haven pretty quickly. You don't even have to save/destroy Redcliffe yet, just go to Brother Genitivi's House and 'Weylon' fills you in. You can be with Morrigan and do the ritual but if the ritual is done no one dies fighting the Archdemon.

Well I kinda like the idea of being king of course, I think Anora is the best option for teh throne I mena look she tries to betray you after buttering you up so much.  Loghaine though I actualy like him and love his voice actor I think forcing him to be what he hates and condeming him to death as a warden is priceless (All Wardens die either in battle or by their 30th year they become darkspawn)

Id also side with teh werewolves though im lead to belive you can kill both sides maybe?  I just love werewolves and in their ending they go back to attacking people. Makes the Breacillian forest that much more dangerous.

Thanks for all the people with the Harrowmont+Branka setup I never knew that it was that bad. I always kinda thought Harrowmont was the good guy of the two but Bhelen really is he best option to be on the throne for a good ending/prosperous for the dwarves.
Along those lines how would the community suggest going about the succession? I know you can work both sides and betray one any advice?

I have to say though in not going pure chaotic evil, more Ruthless neutral evil in my game.

[thegreateski]

You should stick with one side when doing the Orzammar part of the game. There is a potentially game breaking bug if you play both sides.

[Sarah1281]

And don't forget: if Loghain lives through the game he spends the rest of his days in Orlais.



You can't kill both sides in the Dalish treaty. You can do what Zathrien wants and kill the werewolves, convince the werewolves to help you kill the Dalish, or convince Zathrien to break the curse.



If you betray Harrowmont (and you set the betrayals into motion by approaching Vartag or Dulin after getting the Jarvia quest but before completing it) then Vartag has you plant evidence on Jarvia that Harrowmont's cousin was involved with the carta and if you betray Bhelen the Dulin has you find real evidence that Bhelen had his older brothr Trian killed. Which one sounds more evil? Betraying Harrowmont. Besides, if you betray Harrowmont to weaken his position and make Bhelen think you're on his side and then you turn around and crown Harrowmont anyway? Pure evil.