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[Last Darkness]

Last Darkness wrote...

Still need confirmation if you can kill Sten when he challenges you for leadership in haven.

Personaly confirmed no matter how you handle the situation Sten will always surrender when he hits 0 HP, so you can NOT kill sten outside of leaving him to die in Lothering. Best "evil" I can up with is giving him false hope your gonna free him and leave him to rot.

[Sarah1281]

Last Darkness wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...

Still need confirmation if you can kill Sten when he challenges you for leadership in haven.

Personaly confirmed no matter how you handle the situation Sten will always surrender when he hits 0 HP, so you can NOT kill sten outside of leaving him to die in Lothering. Best "evil" I can up with is giving him false hope your gonna free him and leave him to rot.

I'm not sure he has any false hope since he seesm honestly surprised when you return with the key as he didn't think the Revered Mother would part with it.

[Last Darkness]

@Sarah1281 you can discuss with him about it and not open the cage. It what I did and is the only way through your actions Sten dies.



Right now in my "Evil" playthrough I just got out of lothering, picked up Archivists sash from Denerim and fought the knights there and killed them all. I then Did teh DLC Wardens keep so I could get the armor and more importantly the party chest. I betrayed Sophia while getting as much info as possble from her and Avernus then I commended Avernus on his actions and fully supported his research. After this I was able to romance leilana and do her quest and killed Marjolaine and hardened Leilana. Im currently in orzamaar getting ready to side with Harrowmont and Branka but its mostly I just wanna grab Ogrhen before I level up anymore since he is technicaly a evil character(Approval for killing people) Once I get him I plan to go grab Shale then finesh paragon of her kind and kill shale at the end then im going to Haven and killing leilana when I defile the ashes then im going to romance Morrigan. I hope to have all that done tonight

[Wedger]

When I play Evil - I keep walking by the Dying Soldier in the Korcari Wilds (ignoring his weak cries)

When I play Mean - I stop to kill him (And yes, Alistair, I do have an important meeting I need to attend)

When I play neutral or good - I let Alistair bandage him up



So many wonderful choices in the game



I am of the opinion it is not Evil to side with the Wolves, BTW. If anything, those creepy Dalish are Evil

[Chuvvy]

an evil bastard.

[asaiasai]

Good luck with that, i have 19 plays now and no matter how hard i tried i still wind up somewhere along the way going cheerleader. I have no idea how it happens it does, i may start out cutting a very wide path but somewhere along the way a puppy shows up and that is that, the cheerleader has arrived. If you figure out how to do it let me know lol.



Asai

[Gaxhung]

Just completed an evil dwarf commoner thug play through, he thinks mages aren't real people - unless they are hot, is racist towards elves (um but I romanced Zevran oops), and Andraste's ashes are sacred you say?! Made me feel dirty in so many ways, but wow, reading this thread, I'm nothing but toddler level evil, some of the stuff you guys think up is pure evil, I bow to your darkness!

[Arthur Cousland]

My mage bargained with the desire demon in the fade to get the tome (the quest log says that the demon was defeated-good enough for me), and usually kills people after fighting them and getting information (can't let someone walk after they tried to assassinate me or my allies, right?), but other than that, he's a nice blood mage...



I was thinking of going pure evil with my next character, a dwarf commoner assassin/thug, who doesn't give a damn, and would do any evil deed if there was profit in it. Time will tell...

[Giggles_Manically]

I was close with my 2H human noble/berserker! Then I picked up Leliana and it all went down hill for him right there.

[Last Darkness]

I actualy restarted as a Twohand Rogue Human Noble, I was a Twohand Warrior Human Noble but I was very upset with the survivability and dps twohand puts out. Im very disappointed, sword and shield str stacked did almost the same damage give or take 8 points of damage or less and had way WAY more survivability. Really disappointed, but the barbarian build rogue is something ive been wanting to try for awile and im actualy surprised how well its actualy working, backstabing with a two hander is really impressive.

Im back up to orzamar



Ive figured you can actualy start on Harrowmonts side, do the first quest then betray him and switch to Bhelen and do all of Bhelens quests then betray Bhelen and crown Harrowmont.



Circle tower is next and Bracillian forest, on a side note appearently if you have Ogrhen with you when your doing the Fade part you get some special dialog since dwarves cant normaly go into the fade and you get special dialog in awakening if you did this and then take him into the black marsh fade.



Hmmm need some evil walkthru for Braecillian forest.

[Last Darkness]

Need some advice to for "evil and ruthless" options for Braecillian Forest, I intend to side with Werewolves and slaughter the Dahlish.

Circle Tower I intend to Slaughter the mages and side with Templars.

Red Cliff whats the evilest option here for a human noble? I think as a mage you can sacrifice connors mother then make a deal with the demon yourself.

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Options?

[Sarah1281]

I think for a non-mage the most ruthless thing to do would be to make Isolde kill Connor.

[MindYerBeak]

May Andastre forgive you, my child. Her wrath will be awesome to behold and you'll spend eternity in the hellfires of Dragon lairs. Loot will be denied thee and thou will be unable to open doors and chests, locked or otherwise. The Dead of Redcliffe will come to haunt thee. Your ears will shatter from screams. You will become a Broodmother popping out Darkspawn incessantly, an ugly fat slug unable to move. Thus such a fate awaits thee for thy horribleness.

[Giggles_Manically]

MindYerBeak wrote...

May Andastre forgive you, my child. Her wrath will be awesome to behold and you'll spend eternity in the hellfires of Dragon lairs. Loot will be denied thee and thou will be unable to open doors and chests, locked or otherwise. The Dead of Redcliffe will come to haunt thee. Your ears will shatter from screams. You will become a Broodmother popping out Darkspawn incessantly, an ugly fat slug unable to move. Thus such a fate awaits thee for thy horribleness.

Or huge amounts of phat lewt, and tons of exp.!

[Swoo]

Last Darkness wrote...

Need some advice to for "evil and ruthless" options for Braecillian Forest, I intend to side with Werewolves and slaughter the Dahlish.
Circle Tower I intend to Slaughter the mages and side with Templars.
Red Cliff whats the evilest option here for a human noble? I think as a mage you can sacrifice connors mother then make a deal with the demon yourself.
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Options?

Brecillian Forest: Mess up the Cammen romance; Lie to the husband about his Werewolf wife; Kill the injured scout; Kill the Grand Oak; Side with the Lady of the Forest.

Think that should do it.

Redcliffe: Abandon the town to the zombies; Worst case scenario's for the Demon is either kill Connor without going to the Fade (I believe you can even force Isolde to do it), or go to the Fade and work out a deal with the Demon that you only really need Eamon's soul, you don't care about Connor.

I don't think there is really an evil option to the Circle Tower.

[Sarah1281]

I think you can also kill the mad hermit but looting his stump.

[Last Darkness]

Ok Abandoning the town isnt really a evil option as you can kill certain townspeople in the fight and such for some advantages. Im a human noble so going into the Fade and dealing with the demon myself isnt a option. I was hoping there was a way to kill Isolde AND Connor.

As I see it now since I killed the Circle Mages if I go into the Fade I HAVE to use Jowan or I can simply go Kill Connor or make his mother kill him herself.

Thanks Swoo for the Bracillian forest advice, I didnt know you can mess up Cammens romance.



It has been a learning experince so far after my first game I was the equivilent of Chaotic Good with my Dwarf Noble Tank Warrior, now im using a human noble two hand wielding str rogue and going close to Chaotic Evil as I can. Theres alot of intresting differnces.

[Sarah1281]

Wait...how is being able to kill the entire militia but still saving those in the Chantry less evil then just leaving and having only a highly traumatized Teagan survive? If you use the 'I'll save all of you, I promise' line on him if you stayed he goes on about how the Maker smiled on him when he sent you but if you didn't stay then he literally begs you not to abandon him again...it's so heartbreaking. And I was even more pissed at Isolde for not caring that the whole town was gone because she needed Teagan to come now.

[Last Darkness]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Wait...how is being able to kill the entire militia but still saving those in the Chantry less evil then just leaving and having only a highly traumatized Teagan survive? If you use the 'I'll save all of you, I promise' line on him if you stayed he goes on about how the Maker smiled on him when he sent you but if you didn't stay then he literally begs you not to abandon him again...it's so heartbreaking. And I was even more pissed at Isolde for not caring that the whole town was gone because she needed Teagan to come now.

Excuse me I meant to say its certainly a dick thing to do.
But you can interact with several of the characters and do stuff like steal the kids sword, kill the innkeeper and the spy(Take over the inn yourself) and make the Blacksmith hang himself. I admit in this game my character hates the Chantry but in all seriusness im "saving" the town so I can do the chain of events that unlocks the Farsong bow in the blacksmiths shop, I have Alistair as a Warrior Archer and force him to watch me do all this "evil" stuff before I kill him at the Landsmeet. I do want him to be as effective as possible until then.

[Giggles_Manically]

I still need to unlock the evil acheievements but cant see to do it.

[DWSmiley]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I still need to unlock the evil acheievements but cant see to do it.

Cleansing the tower isn't evil, though I've only done it a few times.  Cullen is right that you have no way of knowing if any surviving mages are abominations.

For me, the most challenging from a role-playing perspective were defiling the ashes and siding with Swiftrunner.  My only ashes defiler was a city elf - not evil, I would say, but totally an anarchist.  She wanted to undermine all the human power structures in Ferelden and would have loved to see the civil war continue if not for the Blight.  But she was at least able to leave Ferelden with a weak ruler by double-crossing Anora and sticking an unhardened Alistair on the throne.

My lone slayer was a human racist b******d.  He probably would have been a decent enough sort had his family lived but without their influence his dark side emerged, plus he hated the loss of his social and political standing.  So he found the Dalish insufferably uppity and figured the werewolves would be stronger allies anyway.  He went the whole way - seduced Gheyna, lied about the halla, traded Athras' wife's scarf to the Hermit and killed the Grand Oak.  He also sided with Harrowmount so that Orzammar would be weaker in the long run.  He did side with Caridin but only because the dwarves might get too powerful if they had more golems.

[Last Darkness]

DWSmiley wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I still need to unlock the evil acheievements but cant see to do it.

Cleansing the tower isn't evil, though I've only done it a few times.  Cullen is right that you have no way of knowing if any surviving mages are abominations.

For me, the most challenging from a role-playing perspective were defiling the ashes and siding with Swiftrunner.  My only ashes defiler was a city elf - not evil, I would say, but totally an anarchist.  She wanted to undermine all the human power structures in Ferelden and would have loved to see the civil war continue if not for the Blight.  But she was at least able to leave Ferelden with a weak ruler by double-crossing Anora and sticking an unhardened Alistair on the throne.

My lone slayer was a human racist b******d.  He probably would have been a decent enough sort had his family lived but without their influence his dark side emerged, plus he hated the loss of his social and political standing.  So he found the Dalish insufferably uppity and figured the werewolves would be stronger allies anyway.  He went the whole way - seduced Gheyna, lied about the halla, traded Athras' wife's scarf to the Hermit and killed the Grand Oak.  He also sided with Harrowmount so that Orzammar would be weaker in the long run.  He did side with Caridin but only because the dwarves might get too powerful if they had more golems.

I almost always side against the Dahlish since I love Werewolves and hate the Dahlish. Instead of actualy doing anything to help their people they are either allowing themselves to stagnate or causeing more problems for their kind. They talk all high and mighty but never deliver.  City Elves in the game do far more for Elven kind then any Dahlish, look at the differance between the Wardens?  Dahlish Warden has the unique aspect in the game of being truly neutral in almost literaly all events but at the end of the game he can get some land for the dahlish to call their own even though the dahlish way of life is about wandering in caravans?  The City Elf Warden can fight for more rights of elves and increase their overall social standing, he can even become the First recognised Elven Bann.  Whats better for Elves in that choice?  Look at Velanna in Awkenings, did she have any concept or goal to help her people? no she just wanted to make them pay and from her perspective she blames humans for everything and that they arnt even people so most the "Angry" Dahlish come off as strikingly similar to ****'s

anyways /rant off

Cleansing the Tower is a Evil act thats just easily justified. The truly evil act for the entire Broken Circle chain requires the PC version and a mod that restores a third option that didnt make it into the game.
As a Warden Mage if your a Blood Mage Wynn will notice it and after clearing the circle tower will report this to Gregoir at the bottem allowing you to kill all the Templars. I belive theres a way to Kill all the mages and templars in this scenario.

[yaw]

It's all grey with the Bhelen/Harrowmount situation. 

Bhelen may be better for the prosperity of the Dwarves, but you're still putting a murderer and a liar on the throne. His actions - namely; murdering his brother and having the other sibling (or you, as the case may be) cast out - is what led to his father's death.

And although Harrowmount is the 'good' option... he isn't a very good king.

It's not black and white there. It's up to you to decide. 

If it were me deciding, the blackest thing to do would be to put Bhelen on the throne. Simply because of the lying and murdering thing. But that's just me. Someone else might decide that it's an easy to thing to look past when the Dwarves will be wholy better off under his rule.