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[superimposed]

It happens in almost all RPGs, you get a call you can't ignore, of if you do accept it it sends you on the final path from which there is no return.

[SSV Enterprise]

There's a reason behind games like Mass Effect and KotOR "spreading out" into several separate sections at some point in the game. This allows BioWare to cut a section if need be without detracting from the overall story. This happened both with KotOR (Sleheyron) and KotOR II (the droid planet). It's not a cliche, it's just a necessity of game design.

KalosCast wrote...



It's an MMO, it's incapable of having anything approaching an engaging storyline or depth of gameplay. This is a simple fact of game design. The entire genre is nothing more than a series of jazzed-up spreadsheets (except Eve-Online, which a slower paced version of Microsoft Office Excel).

Unless you've played the damn game, shut up. BioWare has made it clear at every point possible that they are focusing on story and characters with TOR. So no game developer has made the huge effort necessary to put great stories into MMOs before- that doesn't mean it can't be done! If any developer can do it, it's BioWare and Drew Karpyshyn.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

David Gaider for ME 3

Absolutely not. 

[Mister Mida]

SSV Enterprise wrote...

There's a reason behind games like Mass Effect and KotOR "spreading out" into several separate sections at some point in the game. This allows BioWare to cut a section if need be without detracting from the overall story. This happened both with KotOR (Sleheyron) and KotOR II (the droid planet). It's not a cliche, it's just a necessity of game design.

KalosCast wrote...

It's an MMO, it's incapable of having anything approaching an engaging storyline or depth of gameplay. This is a simple fact of game design. The entire genre is nothing more than a series of jazzed-up spreadsheets (except Eve-Online, which a slower paced version of Microsoft Office Excel).

Unless you've played the damn game, shut up. BioWare has made it clear at every point possible that they are focusing on story and characters with TOR. So no game developer has made the huge effort necessary to put great stories into MMOs before- that doesn't mean it can't be done! If any developer can do it, it's BioWare and Drew Karpyshyn.

Well, tbh, Lord of the Rings Online has also put a large emphasis on story telling. What I've seen from TOR is probably gonna top LotRO on story telling but telling stories in MMO's has been done.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

I greatly appreciate that Drew was the lead writer in ME1, which in my opinion is the far better game, but I think the overall vision is more important than any one man.



It wouldnt make much difference in ME3 if Drew came back, but the project still placed the emphasis on shooter combat like it did in ME2. There is a lot more that would need to be changed than just bringing Drew back for ME3 to correct where many people feel ME2 went seriously wrong.

[SSV Enterprise]

Many people? You mean the very vocal, very minor group?

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

SSV Enterprise wrote...

Many people? You mean the very vocal, very minor group?

Listen, I know youre in denial, but dont worry. Its not your fault that many people - yes many - on different websites throughout the internet have similar views of Mass Effect 2. I have seen it myself.

[ztonkin]

It's commonly accepted that ME1 had a superior story. It had more substance. ME2 was just about recruiting a team to ****slap the collectors. Drew should definately write the third. Even though the story's probably already written.

[Nivenus]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

SSV Enterprise wrote...

Many people? You mean the very vocal, very minor group?

Listen, I know youre in denial, but dont worry. Its not your fault that many people - yes many - on different websites throughout the internet have similar views of Mass Effect 2. I have seen it myself.

Polls on this very site back up his perspective. They do not back up yours.

That's not to say ME2 critics don't have valid points. I agree with some of them. But let's stop pretending you're the majority. Just because you've seen others on other websites with the same opinion does not mean you're the majority.

[hangmans tree]

I support Jacek Dukaj for the lead writer in ME3



Then sure as hell I wont understand the plot whatsoever, wont resolve the ingame mind puzzles because of complexity and necessity of bechelor degree in astrophysics and mathematics to even fathom what the question is...

The turning points would be so imaginative/mind twisting and unexpected Shepard would have to take psychotropic agents to stay sharp and sane till the missions end.



Add a little Dick's paranoia, Lem's ingenuity in science fiction, Asimovs visions, Henleins action and we're set.



That would be a fantastic game...

[Axeface]

Both of them co-write I say

I Loved both.

Modifié par Axeface, 01 juin 2010 - 08:20 .

[Axeface]

Double post.

Modifié par Axeface, 01 juin 2010 - 08:20 .

[Massadonious1]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

SSV Enterprise wrote...

Many people? You mean the very vocal, very minor group?

Listen, I know youre in denial, but dont worry. Its not your fault that many people - yes many - on different websites throughout the internet have similar views of Mass Effect 2. I have seen it myself.

O RLY?



And..

[Massadonious1]

On topic, David Gaider/Mac Walters works for me.

[KalosCast]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

SSV Enterprise wrote...

Many people? You mean the very vocal, very minor group?

Listen, I know youre in denial, but dont worry. Its not your fault that many people - yes many - on different websites throughout the internet have similar views of Mass Effect 2. I have seen it myself.

Your lack of the basic concepts behind statistcal bias (a single lecture in a broader high school course, at best) is hilarious. Keep going champ!

Modifié par KalosCast, 01 juin 2010 - 08:39 .

[kraidy1117]

KalosCast wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

SSV Enterprise wrote...

Many people? You mean the very vocal, very minor group?

Listen, I know youre in denial, but dont worry. Its not your fault that many people - yes many - on different websites throughout the internet have similar views of Mass Effect 2. I have seen it myself.

Your lack of the basic concepts behind statistcal bias (a single lecture in a broader high school course, at best) is hilarious. Keep going champ!

Don't mind Dink, he thinks his voice is the majority.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

kraidy1117 wrote...

KalosCast wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

SSV Enterprise wrote...

Many people? You mean the very vocal, very minor group?

Listen, I know youre in denial, but dont worry. Its not your fault that many people - yes many - on different websites throughout the internet have similar views of Mass Effect 2. I have seen it myself.

Your lack of the basic concepts behind statistcal bias (a single lecture in a broader high school course, at best) is hilarious. Keep going champ!

Don't mind Dink, he thinks his voice is the majority.

No I dont actually, youre just butthurt that there are plenty of people who dont like ME2s direction.

You know those folks who didnt like ME1? Complained about poor shooter combat, Mako etc? You know, a lot of whom didnt even like the game? They were in a minority.

If Bioware were left with the fanbois in denial like you, theyd have nothing to go on for ME2 but "repeat ME2".

I think ME2 sucked majorly, and so do plenty of other people. If Bioware arent complete morons, they will have seen this spread out through the internet.

Just because I am happy to accept this doesnt mean I think Im the majority. It just means youre butthurt fanbois in denial, squealing because your new favourite game is getting deserved criticism.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 01 juin 2010 - 12:43 .

[Fiannawolf]

I did enjoy the recruitment missions but I wish we had more info for the main storyline. IE more Prothean ruins to give some idea on exactly how the Reapers transformed them so Humanity and everyone else can get some intel on how to avoid it. Are there more collector ships or bases out there? If so what can we do about it? More connections to ME1. The ability to turn over all Cerberus info to the Alliance. I suppose they could be saving some of these plot points for Expansions but I guess we wont know who will be the lead writer/s until the 3rd game comes out.



Cant wait for TOR, should be fun

[Fraevar]

Shavon wrote...

You know, if Mac Walters improved writing romances or carryover of them, then I wouldn't mind if he stayed. There are some awesome side stories in ME2.

Aye, asides from some of the romances I honestly preferred Mac's ME2 writing to Drew's ME1 writing.

[Valmy]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

I greatly appreciate that Drew was the lead writer in ME1, which in my opinion is the far better game, but I think the overall vision is more important than any one man.

It wouldnt make much difference in ME3 if Drew came back, but the project still placed the emphasis on shooter combat like it did in ME2. There is a lot more that would need to be changed than just bringing Drew back for ME3 to correct where many people feel ME2 went seriously wrong.

Well if there is something all gamers have agreed about since that horrible game Doom bombed back in the early 90s is that shooter combat is terrible.

Oh wait....

Anyway I hate to break it to you man but in ME1 all we did was do shooter combat as well.  So, as a player of both games, I guess I have to ask how exactly the emphasis was not on shooter combat in ME1?

Further...what does that have to do with the writing?  It has nothing to do with the writing, in both games if you play for the writing you do the shooting stuff mostly just to get to the next plot point.

[Valmy]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...
No I dont actually, youre just butthurt that there are plenty of people who dont like ME2s direction.

Of course there are.  The game made changes and anytime changes are made there are going to be people who do not like said changes.  The main issue I have is even when I agree with some of the points these people tend to take things that seem to me to be streamlining and subtle changes and blow them out of all rational proportion as some sort of giant injustice worthy of sackcloth and tears.  I mean essentially the games are pretty much identical with little changes.

But I suppose that is the way it goes with alot of gaming issues.  These are, after all, matters of taste and not provable with some sort of objective analysis.

I hope whatever the changes there are in ME3 are more to your liking (with the understanding there will be a significant group that will hate the changes and claim ME2 was far better regardless of what they are).

[kraidy1117]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

KalosCast wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

SSV Enterprise wrote...

Many people? You mean the very vocal, very minor group?

Listen, I know youre in denial, but dont worry. Its not your fault that many people - yes many - on different websites throughout the internet have similar views of Mass Effect 2. I have seen it myself.

Your lack of the basic concepts behind statistcal bias (a single lecture in a broader high school course, at best) is hilarious. Keep going champ!

Don't mind Dink, he thinks his voice is the majority.

No I dont actually, youre just butthurt that there are plenty of people who dont like ME2s direction.

You know those folks who didnt like ME1? Complained about poor shooter combat, Mako etc? You know, a lot of whom didnt even like the game? They were in a minority.

If Bioware were left with the fanbois in denial like you, theyd have nothing to go on for ME2 but "repeat ME2".

I think ME2 sucked majorly, and so do plenty of other people. If Bioware arent complete morons, they will have seen this spread out through the internet.

Just because I am happy to accept this doesnt mean I think Im the majority. It just means youre butthurt fanbois in denial, squealing because your new favourite game is getting deserved criticism.

Wrong, ME2 is not my fav game. ME2 is not even my fav Bioware game. The thing is you say many many people hated which is wrong majority of people loved ME2 and the changes it brought and the outstanding characters. Also don't bring the MAKO or poor ocmbat into this, they where not a minority, if they where then Bioware would not have made the changes they made, they did because you can read any review it says the same thing, the combat in ME sucked hard, just like the MAKO. ME deserves a 9.0, ME2 deserves a 9.5. My whole reviews on game don't just take the story into play whioch was bad in ME2, I look at gameplay, somethingt hat trumps ME anyday of the week. Characters are more personal, same as music, but gameplay is not. If you can't admit that the gameplay was better in ME2 then YOU are a fanboy, not me because I can pick at many flaws in ME2.