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[Eddo36]

Since it was pretty much a Renegade mission since you had to defy the Council and hijack your ship to do it?

Modifié par Eddo36, 30 mai 2010 - 05:54 .

[Pacifien]

It would make sense, but since you're required to do it to advance the story, perhaps they felt like assigning points for something you didn't have much choice in doing wasn't a good idea. The developers alter this in the sequel, where a conversation will net you both paragon and renegade points.

Were there points involved during the discussion with Anderson at Flux? I don't think there were, but should that conversation play the same way using ME2's system, depending on your conversation choices, you'd get assigned paragon and renegade points. For instance, berating Anderson for failing to warn you about Udina would be renegade, but showing concern that Anderson was facing treason would get you paragon.

[Eddo36]

Well deeds matter more than words, no?

[Pacifien]

Very true, but I suppose you only get points for deeds where you had to choose one deed over another.

[Eddo36]

Hm, maybe a choice not to go to Ilos until Council agrees? That way no one's paragon Shepard has to do such a renegade act canonically.

Modifié par Eddo36, 30 mai 2010 - 06:23 .

[Christmas Ape]

It would be a pain to be forced to sacrifice one's pie-eyed idealism in order to save all organic life.

[KalosCast]

No. I'm pretty sure either the first or second game explicitly states that if you had followed the council's decision, then all life in the galaxy would have been wiped out. There was no "proper channels" for a Paragon to go through, there was simply the one option.



I think you can get Paragon points for acknowledging that what you're doing is straight-up treason though. There's point decisions somewhere in there.



And in the ME universe, deeds don't matter more than words as far as the alignment system is concerned, Your para/rene score is intended to reflect more on your reputation for being "by the book" or "at all costs" then it does your actual actions (since in both games you pretty much murder 1/3 of the galaxy in order to stop robots from murdering the entire galaxy).



The scene is also easily playable from both standpoints. A renegade outlook would be more along the lines of "**** the Council, if they refuse to see the threat, then I'll just have to do this on my own." whereas the Paragon would be "It's regrettable that I had to circumvent the proper channels, but it was the only way to get to Ilos in time to stop Sovereign. "

[soteria]

Deeds > words, sure, but as far as the game is concerned it's your dialogue choices that show your motivations. You can gain (some) renegade points on Feros for demanding a reward when you kill the Varren, for example, and helping the reporter because "it's a good cause" gives you paragon points, but just demanding a reward gives you renegade points.

[Eddo36]

I think "word morality" are 2 max. Deeds can go 26.

[soteria]

Pretty sure it's 9, actually.

[Eddo36]

Citadel: Reporter's Request (previously spoken to Emily Wong before dealing with Fist)



2 Renegade for Intimidating “You owe me more.” need 2 Intimidate

[KalosCast]

You can definitely go higher than two for pure dialog options. The stuff in the 20's only come from how you treat major characters in intensely critical moments. (IE, universe-altering decisions)

[soteria]

Citadel: Reporter's Request (previously spoken to Emily Wong before dealing with Fist)

2 Renegade for Intimidating “You owe me more.” need 2 Intimidate

For that specific example, sure, but intimidating Wrex into staying with you is like 25 points. So, unless you're trying to say that "words are deeds," then I don't see any divide here. Some options are just worth more than others--it seems to be based on the importance of the event, not words vs actions.

[Grekdar]

I´ve been thinking. You dont really need to go to Ilos to get a happy ending, a pity they did not thinking about it,when they made ME1.

Imagine just waiting about, til Saren and hes army of "personal assistants"(Geth) shows up, after all, we all went to Ilos just to get use the miniture mass relay. would´ve been cool, if you just had waited and THEN you would fight your way to the persidium, and gank Saren and good´ol Sov.

Thougts ? =P

[Eddo36]

Grekdar wrote...

I´ve been thinking. You dont really need to go to Ilos to get a happy ending, a pity they did not thinking about it,when they made ME1.
Imagine just waiting about, til Saren and hes army of "personal assistants"(Geth) shows up, after all, we all went to Ilos just to get use the miniture mass relay. would´ve been cool, if you just had waited and THEN you would fight your way to the persidium, and gank Saren and good´ol Sov.
Thougts ? =P

You needed that data file from Vigil.

Modifié par Eddo36, 30 mai 2010 - 11:05 .

[Grekdar]

@Eddo36 wrote... True, i clean forgot about that.
Well, in the case you could´ve prevented Saren from turning control over to Sov in the first place. So no code needed.

[Eddo36]

True, though you could have been killed in the attack. No element of surprise, like Saren had.

Modifié par Eddo36, 30 mai 2010 - 11:10 .

[Grekdar]

Ah, you mean just like you could´ve gotten killed at any point in the game?



At any rate, its a moot point, they did not make it so.

[Eddo36]

Well you had the element of surprise.

[Grekdar]

I.am not so sure, you almost flattened him with the Mako on Ilos, sure, he closed the door, but i doubt he could be surprised when you showed up.

Just my thougts on the matter.

*edit* Typo.
*edit 2* added more

Anyways, sorry i´ve gone off topic, and i.am done here

Ontopic: yes, you should´ve gotten renegade points for stealing the ship, and going against orders.

Modifié par Grekdar, 30 mai 2010 - 11:23 .

[Eddo36]

That's another thing, why were you driving towards Saren when you could have blasted him with your cannon?

[Grekdar]

haha, would´ve been awesome, but i guess it is hard to aim with the cannon while in the air. Or maybe Shepherd likes to run over people with the Mako.. i know i do.

[Elvis_Mazur]

The Council is the one who needs to receive Renegade points for locking the Normandy and stopping me of saving the galaxy.

[HarradX]

Well I guess the Renegade/Paragon system only applies if you actually have a choice, but in this case you don't unless you plan on not completing the playthrough

[Christmas Ape]

You don't get any Paragon points for saving Gunnery Chief Williams from her geth attackers, so no.



It's a system that responds to player choices, not plot elements.