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[Symbolz]

I found this by accident just recently.  According to some articles that have popped up in the the last few days, like this one, Blizzard is saying that trying to battle piracy is largely a waste of time that could be spent on developing a better customer base, content, and features.

I think this is a interesting development.  Not entirely should where this is leading but I think there might be a light at the end of the tunnel.

Modifié par Symbol117, 30 mai 2010 - 04:04 .

[Khayness]

Sure, they got battle.net, no surprise there.

[Rubbish Hero]

I was watching that thing on gametrailers the other day with Michael Pachter regarding Ubisofts DRM, man, that's one clueless guy, he didn't even answer the question, just went on a rant.

[Relshar]

Ubisoft have put a DRM on the new Splinter Cell game. You have to be connected to the net at all times to play it, even the single player storyline of the game. And their servers are ropey at best and have been known to be down at random times and for long periods.



It realy put me off buying the game.

[invert180]

It's the appropriate response to piracy.  Companies like Blizzard and Valve didn't become so successful because of pure blind luck; they're successful because they're so damn smart.  They understand that the best way to attract customers has always been to make an amazing game, first and foremost.  Then you have to provide incentives for people to purchase your product over some other product.  The day I hear someone say they bought a game because they love the super-restrictive DRM is the day penguins take over the world.

Forcing the people who legitimately purchased your game to wade through incredibly debilitating DRM only builds bad will.  If people didn't intend to give you money for your game, they won't.  They'll simply wait until later, when it's bound to be cracked (and, oops, there goes all your money developing that DRM when you could've done so much other stuff with it instead).

Blizzard takes the route that leads them to spending "DRM money" on adding more and more features to Battle.net instead.  Now any average consumer has more reason to buy their products, not less.

[ShinsFortress]

*nod*

[wolfsite]

Relshar wrote...

Ubisoft have put a DRM on the new Splinter Cell game. You have to be connected to the net at all times to play it, even the single player storyline of the game. And their servers are ropey at best and have been known to be down at random times and for long periods.

It realy put me off buying the game.

Ya all future Ubi-soft PC games are gonna be like this.  Even if it's a pure single player game you must be connected online at all times.

[Busomjack]

I think the last time Blizzard actually released a single player game was before file sharing even existed on a large scale.
I have Assassin's Creed II for the PC and being that I'm always connected to the internet anyways, the DRM is no big deal.
Every game has it's list of system requirements and Assassin's Creed II is already available on two other platforms. I don't see what the big deal is.

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Modifié par Seagloom, 30 mai 2010 - 07:52 .

[Symbolz]

Busomjack wrote...

I think the last time Blizzard actually released a single player game was before file sharing even existed on a large scale.
I have Assassin's Creed II for the PC and being that I'm always connected to the internet anyways, the DRM is no big deal.
Every game has it's list of system requirements and Assassin's Creed II is already available on two other platforms. I don't see what the big deal is.

The problem, for me anyways, is that I don't always have access to a reliable or even have a internet connection.  So, to have a single player game (no multiplayer at all) having required to have a internet connection at all times is absurd.  It defeats the reason why I choose single player games: I may not have a internet connection but still want to play a game.

As an example for DA and DLC.  In order for me to play a character with DLC items I must log into EA's network in order to have it verified that I have indeed purchased those DLC items.  If I don't have a internet connection the game tells me that I cannot load that character until it has been authenticated.  Very irriating.

Modifié par Seagloom, 30 mai 2010 - 08:01 .

[Busomjack]

And I can't play Crysis on my laptop because it's a single core. Like I said, all games have their system requirements and there is no way we're ever going to create a PC game that can be played on every computer.

If you can't play Assassin's Creed II on the PC, you should get the console version. It's an alright game, a bit overrated.

[Dsurian]

It's about right of use. We buy the game (even with the system requirements posted) expecting to be able to play the game. If one of our peices of hardware is lacking (PC, at least), we go out and upgrade it. But to require internet access - a monthly fee, so to speak, for a singleplayer game is truly ridiculous. And it doesn't help - just gives more of a challenge to the pirates.

I remember seeing this: just to proove a point, Skidrow (the people behind most of the cracks out there) hacked Ubisofts website just as a lil B-slap...they're going to develop a crack (if they havn't already) so - once again, in the war against piracy, all the corps are managing to do is make their games less friendly to the legit user.


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Modifié par Dsurian, 30 mai 2010 - 08:11 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Build a better CD key.

[Busomjack]

I'm pretty sure the box says that internet access is required. If you read that and expect to be able to play the game despite lacking internet access, then that is your problem, not Ubisoft's.

[Dsurian]

MessyPossum wrote...
"Blizzard" right? The same guys who announced that LAN play was going to be disallowed to combat piracy? Is Blizzard run by Harvey Dent? That article is meant to give you the feeling like, "they hate DRM too, guess they ain't so bad". Good PR move sir's.

Quoted for relevance.  +1

[Dsurian]

Busomjack wrote...
I'm pretty sure the box says that internet access is required. If you read that and expect to be able to play the game despite lacking internet access, then that is your problem, not Ubisoft's.

So, right after you buy the game, if your ISP service decides to increase your monthly charges by %500
 and you hypothetically have no other ISP's in the area, its your fault you bought the game, right?  ...because its not the ISP's fault, or apparently Ubisofts fault either, right?  Guess that makes you the tool for not being psychic...

[Busomjack]

Dsurian wrote...

Busomjack wrote...
I'm pretty sure the box says that internet access is required. If you read that and expect to be able to play the game despite lacking internet access, then that is your problem, not Ubisoft's.

So, right after you buy the game, if your ISP service decides to increase your monthly charges by %500
 and you hypothetically have no other ISP's in the area, its your fault you bought the game, right?  ...because its not the ISP's fault, or apparently Ubisofts fault either, right?  Guess that makes you the tool for not being psychic...

If you buy the game not expecting that possibility, then yes you are a tool.

[wolfsite]

Busomjack wrote...

Dsurian wrote...

Busomjack wrote...
I'm pretty sure the box says that internet access is required. If you read that and expect to be able to play the game despite lacking internet access, then that is your problem, not Ubisoft's.

So, right after you buy the game, if your ISP service decides to increase your monthly charges by %500
 and you hypothetically have no other ISP's in the area, its your fault you bought the game, right?  ...because its not the ISP's fault, or apparently Ubisofts fault either, right?  Guess that makes you the tool for not being psychic...

If you buy the game not expecting that possibility, then yes you are a tool.

I think the problem is more that there are PC users that live in areas that have yet to get stable internet access or any internet access which prevents them from playing (I know people who live in my region that can only use dial up modems still since the area they live in has not yet been upgraded for Broadband).

Plus if you get disconnected for whatever reason the game kicks you out meaning unless the game has an auto-save on disconnect (which from what I hear they don't) you will have to re trace a lot of steps.

I have no problem with companies wanting to protect there properties from theft but some of these ideas coming out kinda hurt the people who leagally purchase the product then the pirates (I believe the pirates cracked Assasin's Creed 2 within 24 hours of release.).

[Busomjack]

PC gamers need internet connection to go to their precious torrent websites where they "acquire" (aren't I clever! lol!) all of their games so I don't see why internet access is really an issue for PC gamers.



Still, if you live in an area where you lack a stable internet access then you should get the console versions. There are some areas where certain hardware isn't readily available either.

[invert180]

Your assumption that all PC gamers are pirates is tiring.

Yes, pirates have internet access and freely download to their heart's content.  That's a given.  DRM has never been a problem for them.  They don't care because everything gets cracked in time anyway, and they're able to run games flawlessly without a care in the world.

So what is the issue?  It's that DRM is only a problem for legitimate consumers.  That's the heart of the matter.

[wolfsite]

Busomjack wrote...

PC gamers need internet connection to go to their precious torrent websites where they "acquire" (aren't I clever! lol!) all of their games so I don't see why internet access is really an issue for PC gamers.

So you assume all PC users are thieves.

You sir have insulted my honour and I demand satisfaction.  We shall meet in the Social,bioware.com Site help forum where it will be emoticons at 10 sentencs.

[Busomjack]

Well if PC gamers weren't arrogant selfish brats then maybe companies like Ubisoft wouldn't be attempting such draconian DRM measures, effective or not.
So if you want to blame people, blame the pirates.

No, I'm not saying all PC gamers are pirates, just most are.

Assassin's Creed I was I believe one of the most pirated games of all time.  What in the Hell else were you expecting with Assassin's Creed II?

Modifié par Busomjack, 30 mai 2010 - 09:03 .

[Busomjack]

MessyPossum wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Well if PC gamers weren't arrogant selfish brats then maybe companies like Ubisoft wouldn't be attempting such draconian DRM measures, effective or not.
So if you want to blame people, blame the pirates.

No, I'm not saying all PC gamers are pirates, just most are.

He's right people! Blame the nebulous intangible entity over which you can exert no control over. I got your back Busomjack. Pleasure to be working with you.

Whatever, go ahead and keep justifying piracy if it eases your criminal conscience. 

[wolfsite]

Busomjack wrote...

MessyPossum wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Well if PC gamers weren't arrogant selfish brats then maybe companies like Ubisoft wouldn't be attempting such draconian DRM measures, effective or not.
So if you want to blame people, blame the pirates.

No, I'm not saying all PC gamers are pirates, just most are.

He's right people! Blame the nebulous intangible entity over which you can exert no control over. I got your back Busomjack. Pleasure to be working with you.

Whatever, go ahead and keep justifying piracy if it eases your criminal conscience. 

Who is justifying Pirates?  Frankly I Can't tolerate pirates cause I as a legitimate consumer have to deal with these DRM problems.  I remember this one DRM that tried to delete my DVD player program and refused to play the game thinking it pirateing software, (oh and before you say anything it wasn't it was just a simple DVD player program).