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[Dethateer]

No. I didn't sign it. You have no way of proving I read it.

[Tirigon]

You quoted and talked about the content. That´s more proof than a company has that I signed an EULA.

[Dethateer]

I could have simply hit "quote" and randomly deleted the first part of your post on a whim. And I could have very easily commented on the next post.
Again: I didn't sign it.

That´s more proof than a company has that I signed an EULA.

Yea, no. The company has your installed software for proof.

As a final point, as far as I'm aware it's illegal to bind someone to something by simply telling them "by reading you agree".

Modifié par Dethateer, 31 mai 2010 - 08:58 .

[joey_mork84]

If you clicked "Agree" when installing the product LEGALLY, that is proof. If you did not click "Agree" when installing, but still managed to have it, you did so illegally. Simple as that.

[Dethateer]

I think the only person who can convince you that the EULA is legally binding is mr. Woo.

[Tirigon]

Dethateer wrote...


As a final point, as far as I'm aware it's illegal to bind someone to something by simply telling them "by reading you agree".

And this is why EULAs aren´t binding. Because that´s what they do. You HAVE to agree, or your software, for which you spent a lot of money, is useless.

[Dethateer]

It's not YOUR software. It never will be YOUR software. You spent money on a license, and if you don't agree with the EULA (there's a specific clause which states exactly this) you can take it back to the store and get your money back. By installing the software you are legally bound to obey the rules layed forward by the EULA.

[Symbolz]

To me EULA make as much sense as this guy does.



<DmncAtrny> I will write on a huge cement block "BY ACCEPTING THIS BRICK THROUGH YOUR WINDOW, YOU ACCEPT IT AS IS AND AGREE TO MY DISCLAIMER OF ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, AS WELL AS DISCLAIMERS OF ALL LIABILITY, DIRECT, INDIRECT, CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL, THAT MAY ARISE FROM THE INSTALLATION OF THIS BRICK INTO YOUR BUILDING."

<DmncAtrny> And then hurl it through the window of a Sony officer

<DmncAtrny> and run like hell

[Dethateer]

Yea, did that Sony officer agree to have the brick break his window?

Lemme spell things out:
You buy a game
you take it home
you start the installer
you read the EULA
->Agree -> install
->Disagree-> game back to store, money back.

Modifié par Dethateer, 31 mai 2010 - 09:07 .

[joey_mork84]

I would think not.. lol

[Symbolz]

The Sony office would say no. But the brick says yes. Who are you going to believe?

[Dethateer]

No one forces you to agree with the EULA. Hence, that button that sez: "Disagree"

[Tirigon]

Symbol117 wrote...

To me EULA make as much sense as this guy does.

I will write on a huge cement block "BY ACCEPTING THIS BRICK THROUGH YOUR WINDOW, YOU ACCEPT IT AS IS AND AGREE TO MY DISCLAIMER OF ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, AS WELL AS DISCLAIMERS OF ALL LIABILITY, DIRECT, INDIRECT, CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL, THAT MAY ARISE FROM THE INSTALLATION OF THIS BRICK INTO YOUR BUILDING."
And then hurl it through the window of a Sony officer
and run like hell

Welcome! I´m glad someone shares my view.

[xCirdanx]

Tirigon wrote...
Unlike other DRM however Battle.net works.

I play WC2 for almost 2 years now and the servers have only twice be down yet, and even then it was
- only for very short
- you could still play singleplayer
- only for europe; you could still play online on other servers.

This is true and i didn´t said anything about it. I have no problem with the Battle.net, however i might get one with version 2 because of the Eula. If i ever use it, i have already canceled my SC2 preorder anyways and have no intention for another mindless grindfest in WoW.

I have some older games when they came up with all kinds of protections, but they were all patched afterwards and removed and i guess i was also lucky to not have problems with these, not even with the very controversial TAGES DRM.

What however really pisses me off (sorry for the foul language) is when game devs try to tell me when i have to be online or not and/or force me to install 3th party software.

My girlfriend had the great idea to buy me Dawn of War 2, that wannabe RTS games forces you to have steam and windows live for games. That´s the worst form of DRM for me personaly, it´s also the only game i have with this kind of protection and i can honestly say i will never ever buy a game that forces me to be online all the time.

[Tirigon]

Dethateer wrote...

No one forces you to agree with the EULA. Hence, that button that sez: "Disagree"

And if you do you can´t use the software. That´s hardly a choice.

[Dethateer]

You can't use a car without signing the damned purchase contract first, isn't that unfair?

Quote House:
"If you want fair, you were born in the wrong universe, wrong society, wrong species."

You either use the software as the publisher dictates, or you don't use it at all.

Modifié par Dethateer, 31 mai 2010 - 09:13 .

[Tirigon]

But you CAN use the car after you bught it without having to sign something that prohibits you from reselling it, modifying it etc...

[Stanley Woo]

And now it's getting way too legal-y and silly.



End of line.

[Tirigon]

Dethateer wrote...

You either use the software as the publisher dictates, or you don't use it at all.

Or you... No I won´t say the word because the mods wouldn´t like it:police: