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[szaszpetya]

Your chocie, but for me Miranda is the best

[Garlador]

I hooked up with Ashley in ME1. I liked her strong spirit and sort of tomboyish personality. Liara's naive cuteness made me question it once or twice (and I wound up in a relationship with her on emy first playthrough when I mentioned there was an attraction), but for my "official" playthrough, it was Ashley. But around the 3rd and 4th playthrough, I had become smitten with Tali, to the point that I really was getting annoyed by Ashley's anti-alien talk.



When ME2 was announced, and Miranda was the front-liner, I thought for sure I'd pick her. I adore beautiful brunettes, and Miranda was a voluptuous raven-haired siren in tight clothing and an even more feisty personality. How could I NOT pick her?



... easy. Tali was just too cute. From the moment I heard her journal entries to Kelly confirming her interest in me to Tali's admissions yet reluctance to "distract me" to her selflessness and commitment to risking her life just to love you... I think I forgot all about Miranda entirely unless she showed up in a cutscene.



Three playthroughs later and I still can't manage to get myself to hook up with anybody else but Tali.

[kraidy1117]

TheAwesomologist wrote...

 Ah in-game love interests...
In ME1 I went with Liara only because I found her slightly less annoying than Ashley. After Ashley's cold reception at Horizon it looks like I made the right choice. Liara appears to have moved on as well which made the ME2 romance option much easier.

Miranda... I can't tell you how many girls that are way too full of themselves (for all the wrong reasons too) I've chased. The last thing I need is to pursue that in game. Besides all the dialog options around her are always about her looks. God bless Yvonne S. for being an Ausie beauty and gracing her image and voice in the game, but the game never really convinced me she was the right love interest.

Jack... Bald and covered in tats is no way to go through life aboard a spaceship. In game she actually has the "prettiest face" but I subscribe to the "Don't stick your dick in crazy" school of courtship. Even when you do romance her all the way she just cries during sex. Do you know how big of a turn off that is?
Shepard: Hey we're all about die, lets have one last moment together!
Jack: *Cries*
Shepard: Here are some tissues... I'm gonna go play tic-tac-toe with EDI...

Tali... I'm going to admit bias here simply because I thought she was a cool squad member in ME1. I liked her background and her story and it wasn't muddled with LI stuff in the first game. In ME2 when we first meet her she's grown up some, trying to be a leader in her own right. When you go to Haestrom and hear her logs about how she misses Shepard, man thats some great voice acting right there. Her loyalty quest is just great and assuming you don't betray her, you can tell from her dialog how she feels about Shepard. And lets face it, besides the geth data in ME 1 and her trial in ME 2 she never asks anything else of Shepard.
The dialog where she wants to feel your skin against hers, had a housemate walk by when that came up and even he sat down asking "Woah! What game is this?"
She's the only one who falls for Shepard well before he makes any advances. That my friends is a keeper.

On another note:
Samara - I like how she turns your down, even though she wants it. Good story telling there.
Kelly - I need to see if I can find a shrink like her...
Kasumi - Even though I get why she's not a love interest (she's a thief, already had one close attachment dies on her, DLC, etc) she's the only other character I'd be more interested in "getting to know better."

Did you and me play the same game?

[Jack Package]

smecky-kitteh wrote...

Jack Package wrote...

smecky-kitteh wrote...

I still don't know who i'm going to pick. tali and liara are just too awesome. I cant choose!

Sheeesh, so now that OP has apparently decided we have to help you in doing so?

Ok here's my tip: vote....

...Quimby!!

but that requires waiting till ME3. I have no idea how the characters are going to develop in the next game especially liara. I'm interested to see how she turns out what with her lust for revenge and all.

Yeah, it's really better to just wait and see what the next game will bring. I sincerely hope that the Tali fans and the Miranda fans (etc..) will not have to suffer from such a strange and badly written character twist like the Liara fans in ME 2. I hope it won't happen with any other character, but BioWare have done it before... However, maybe they have seen the error of their ways.

[Jestina]

Tali won't ever change. She's the same useless luggage Shepard has stored in the engineering room for two games now.

[AventuroLegendary]

Jestina wrote...

Tali won't ever change. She's the same useless luggage Shepard has stored in the engineering room for two games now.

She's the same useless luggage that gave the normandy shielding and calibrated the engines? Come on now. Garrus would be proud. All miranda ever does is "paperwork". 

[Pacifien]

LegendaryAvenger wrote...
She's the same useless luggage that gave the normandy shielding and calibrated the engines? Come on now. Garrus would be proud. All miranda ever does is "paperwork". 

And bring you back to life, but you know... child's play.

[Homebound]

Romance Tali.



If you romance Jack, you will get Scale-Itch. If you romance Miranda, everybody on Normandy will hate you.

[Ieldra]

Neria Rose wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

It matters for those who find inter-species romance nonsensical for consistency reasons. I won't go into the details, but in any remotely plausible SF scenario, quarian females and asari would not look so much like human women that human men are sexually attracted to them. Did you listen to the bachelor party on Ilium? I don't know if it's meant as a joke or not, but it points to one aspect of the problem. How the hell do they attract members of X species who all look, smell, feel and sound different?

Edit:
Excepting a few contradictory facts, I find it easier to accept the nonsensical physics. They're from an area of knowledge we don't really know very much of. Biology is different.

Aside from having two arms, two legs, and two eyes, Turians look nothing like human males and I'm not ashamed to say I find them extremely sexually attractive (and clearly, I'm not the only one since the requests to have Garrus as a romance were great enough in number that Bioware included it). Now, if they smelled like a sewer, I'm sure it'd be different, but there's nothing saying they have repulsive body odor *shrugs*.

Of course, I'm also not a man. Perhaps men are pickier.

Well, Garrus moves like a man, he sounds like a man. Obviously, that's enough. Just watch his scenes - the way he's embarrassed about being called Archangel when you meet him first, the way he's focused on revenge against Sidonis when you ask him if this is really what he wants to do. So human. Also his voice acting is perfect. *I* find his voice borderline sexy and I'm a straight man. He is attractive to some human women for much the same reasons as Tali for human men. But the same reasoning applies: such a  thing should, in all plausibiliy, be either extremely rare or a world-shattering scientific discovery that makes every single biologist in the ME universe ask about how such a strange thing came to pass. Instead, we're expected to take it as nothing special. Boo.

[kraidy1117]

Just_mike wrote...

Romance Tali.

If you romance Jack, you will get Scale-Itch. If you romance Miranda, everybody on Normandy will hate you.

And if you romance Tali she get's sick and dies.

[Ieldra]

LegendaryAvenger wrote...
Anyway, why SHOULD it be realistic? It's a science fiction game that doesn't follow the laws of science.

I'm getting really tired of this stupid argument. Really.

No, an SF story/game/whatever shouldn't be limited to scientific facts known today. But if something not only takes technological miracles out of the unknown (like eezo and what it does), but contradicts basic scientific facts known very well, then there'd better be a good explanation for it. That explanation needn't hold up under close scrutiny, but it should make it easy for me to suspend my disbelief. Else it's fantasy and not SF.

[spooky3]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Just_mike wrote...

Romance Tali.

If you romance Jack, you will get Scale-Itch. If you romance Miranda, everybody on Normandy will hate you.

And if you romance Tali she get's sick and dies.

That´s not true, I romance Tali and finished the game and she is still alive.

[Ieldra]

TheAwesomologist wrote...
Miranda... I can't tell you how many girls that are way too full of themselves (for all the wrong reasons too) I've chased. The last thing I need is to pursue that in game. Besides all the dialog options around her are always about her looks. God bless Yvonne S. for being an Ausie beauty and gracing her image and voice in the game, but the game never really convinced me she was the right love interest.

Er. Did we play the same game? Miranda is too full of herself? Well, if you think being confident of her abilities equals being full of herself, then maybe. And actually, she *is* very competent, so she has reason to be confident. No wrong reasons here.
As for her dialog options, LOL. Perhaps you're too focused on how she looks to notice what it's all about. Her genetic enginering comes up a lot, including her looks only by extension. And she's not comfortable with it all. I don't see how that contributes to her being "too full of herself". 

[kraidy1117]

spooky3 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Just_mike wrote...

Romance Tali.

If you romance Jack, you will get Scale-Itch. If you romance Miranda, everybody on Normandy will hate you.

And if you romance Tali she get's sick and dies.

That´s not true, I romance Tali and finished the game and she is still alive.

And it's not true that you get scale-itch from Jack and everyone hates you if you romanced Miri.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 01 juin 2010 - 08:53 .

[Christmas Ape]

Ieldra2 wrote...

LegendaryAvenger wrote...
Anyway, why SHOULD it be realistic? It's a science fiction game that doesn't follow the laws of science.

I'm getting really tired of this stupid argument. Really.

No, an SF story/game/whatever shouldn't be limited to scientific facts known today. But if something not only takes technological miracles out of the unknown (like eezo and what it does), but contradicts basic scientific facts known very well, then there'd better be a good explanation for it. That explanation needn't hold up under close scrutiny, but it should make it easy for me to suspend my disbelief. Else it's fantasy and not SF.

Man, the guy at admissions laughed in my face when I said I wanted to take xenobiology and interspecies psychology. Wish I'd gone to your university.

[DarthCaine]

Tali's romance is better written than Ashley's but she's like your little cousin that has a crush on you. Plus she might look like a zombie beneath the mask

Ashley's boring, just like all ME1 LIs

I'd go with Miranda (out of these three)

Modifié par DarthCaine, 01 juin 2010 - 10:43 .

[Ieldra]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

LegendaryAvenger wrote...
Anyway, why SHOULD it be realistic? It's a science fiction game that doesn't follow the laws of science.

I'm getting really tired of this stupid argument. Really.

No, an SF story/game/whatever shouldn't be limited to scientific facts known today. But if something not only takes technological miracles out of the unknown (like eezo and what it does), but contradicts basic scientific facts known very well, then there'd better be a good explanation for it. That explanation needn't hold up under close scrutiny, but it should make it easy for me to suspend my disbelief. Else it's fantasy and not SF.

Man, the guy at admissions laughed in my face when I said I wanted to take xenobiology and interspecies psychology. Wish I'd gone to your university.

You just don't know how science works. One of the basic precepts of science is that things follow the same laws everywhere. Which means, if we have, on Earth, about a million examples that members of two (eucaryote) species aren't attracted to each other as a rule, and there is an explanation for that that would also apply on other planets if life has naturally developed there and it's based on a similar physiology (which both applies for ME universe life as a rule), then if things are different there, and species are more regularly attracted to each other, then that needs an explanation with a real punch. If anything, between different worlds with no previous contact, you'd expect even less than the almost non-existing inter-species attraction we have on the one world we know.

If we come from the other side and accept ME's regular inter-species attraction as the primary fact, that would  mean that Earth's biology would need to be reinterpreted, because if inter-species attraction is common everywhere else, then Earth is the strange planet and needs to be explained. However you look at it, once such a thing was discovered by human biologists, biology would never be the same. If it's a natural phenomenon and not artificial, then it'd be a discovery of the same magnitude as evolution. And if you'd knew just how much evolution explains about life (just forget relativity and quantum mechanics together in comparison - they still have contradictions), then you'd know why it'd be a world-defining fact, that any self-respecting SF setup could not afford to simply ignore and take for granted.

As for why "parallel evolution" isn't enough to explain it: the general similarity of life, the fact that so many species are humanoid, is explained in-game by parallel evolution, and that's no problem because we have no evidence that points to the contrary, can have no evidence because we only know one world. Life is similar on one world. That's not strange. And where we have no evidence to the contrary, we can invent the most fantastical things and they pose no problem to suspension of disbelief. Where we do have such evidence, any contradiction needs an explanation. That's why we don't see starships flying at FTL speed without being given an explanation of how they achieve this, flimsy as it is. 

What I comes down to: No, I don't want inter-species sexual attraction to go away. But I want an explanation I can believe without making my brain explode. The problem is that Bioware apparently wanted to shield players from any strange facts arising from ME's premises and portray the ME universe as something familiar - everything is so that a human living in the western world today doesn't need to use much of his/her imagination to understand it. Everything that would make things strange is carefully ignored or attributed to the enemy. The whole setup is altogether too conventional.

Yes, I still like the game 95% of it, in fact. By the standards of SF in TV, movie and games, the ME universe is rather well made. And I'm not an expert in biology. It's just school knowledge and things I have picked up over time.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 juin 2010 - 11:26 .

[Pacifien]

Ieldra2 wrote...
*snip*
What I comes down to: No, I don't want inter-species sexual attraction to go away. But I want an explanation I can believe without making my brain explode.

As far as I know, there is no explanation given. So your head is exploding for lack of information.

In my opinion, most every alien species met in the Mass Effect universe isn't alien enough, but they're designed so that the players can find some way to identify with them. The more alien characteristics the species is given, the less likely we're to see "such-and-such for LI in ME3!" You can find a discussions on what makes quarians, turians, and asari similar to us, but the opposite sort of discussion will be much more difficult to have.

I'm reminded of an interview I saw or read about the show Farscape, where two actors who were playing aliens who had to do a sexual scene started to have a lot of fun about thinking how they could make an alien sex scene as different from a human sex scene as possible. The director reigned them in because it was getting too far away from what a typical audience was going to view as intimate. You can only go so far with the alien concept before most people start thinking it's just too weird to think about.

But as for an explanation on how humans can develop such inter-species sexual attraction so easily. I assume a species capability to perform calculus (just to use a Mordin figure of speech, not to be used as strictly literal) goes a long way in getting someone to psychologically view a species as compatible in a romantic sense. Plus there's something to be said about the sexual mores of society. There is considerable sexual "deviancy" to be seen out there. The salarian game store clerk's mention of the nasty asari/hanar porn games is very much a reference to Tokyo's Akihabara district. And the Japanese are not an exception.

[Christmas Ape]

Ieldra2 wrote...
You just don't know how science works.

Aaaaaand stopped reading entirely, though what happened to be processed as I scrolled down to the bottom was riddled with assumptions based on zero information.

So....that's nice. You have a good day.

[Ieldra]

Pacifien wrote...
But as for an explanation on how humans can develop such inter-species sexual attraction so easily. I assume a species capability to perform calculus (just to use a Mordin figure of speech, not to be used as strictly literal) goes a long way in getting someone to psychologically view a species as compatible in a romantic sense. Plus there's something to be said about the sexual mores of society. There is considerable sexual "deviancy" to be seen out there. The salarian game store clerk's mention of the nasty asari/hanar porn games is very much a reference to Tokyo's Akihabara district. And the Japanese are not an exception.

If such things were treated as an exception, the taste of a small minority regarded as more or less strange by everyone else, then I'd have nothing to complain about. But they're pretty much standard, we overhear conversations about it everywhere. As far as I'm concerned, a human/hanar romance isn't any stranger than a human/quarian romance.

I can also see - as I've said before - pairing up with anyone regardless of species for a lifelong companionship. But when it comes to sex, there are these little pesky facts about biology humans like to ignore: sex is a function of reproduction. While it does serve much more than that purpose in a social species, sexual attraction wouldn't exist without sexual reproduction, and where the latter is impossible, as in between humans and nonhumans, the former is a luxury that, if it comes up accidentally at any time in a species' evolution, will be selected out again in a very short time. I can see a co-evolution of two species who develop a symbiotic relationship, where sexual attraction has a function (it wouldn't surprise me if such a thing actually existed on Earth), but they'd have to co-exist for some time for it to develop.

And about that Farscape example you gave: that attitude is exactly what I resent so much. To cloud everything in the illusion of familiarity, that is the main failing of mainstream SF. Since I can't avoid being exposed to it if I want to play the ME games, I'd appreciate if they'dt make it a bit easier to suspend my disbelief.

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But this has gone way off topic. That I don't romance Tali has actually less to do with the fact she's not human than that I consider her more of a little sister. Someone said she's cute. That she is. That does a bit to prevent me from being attracted to her.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 juin 2010 - 12:52 .

[Funkcase]

DarthCaine wrote...

Tali's romance is better written than Ashley's but she's like your little cousin that has a crush on you. Plus she might look like a zombie beneath the mask

Ashley's boring, just like all ME1 LIs

I'd go with Miranda (out of these three)

Lmao! In what way is it better written? Shepard is more focused on getting laid than Tali's health, Ash has her own oppinions about things and is more realistic and has more in-commen with Shepard. And the ME1 LI's are the only one's that make Shepard appear human by giving him a personal stake, a reason to come back alive, or did you not see the picture scene before the suicide mission? I preifer that than all the ME2 love scenes. So dont bash caracters they are all good in there own right, everybody just has a different taste. Why is this topic even still going? It's just gonna turn into a flame war like just about every topic like this.

[Pacifien]

Ieldra2 wrote...
If such things were treated as an exception, the taste of a small minority regarded as more or less strange by everyone else, then I'd have nothing to complain about. But they're pretty much standard, we overhear conversations about it everywhere. As far as I'm concerned, a human/hanar romance isn't any stranger than a human/quarian romance.

I can also see - as I've said before - pairing up with anyone regardless of species for a lifelong companionship. But when it comes to sex, there are these little pesky facts about biology humans like to ignore: sex is a function of reproduction.*snip*

As for why it's not treated as an exception, I suppose it could be said we have a very skewed perception of humans in the Mass Effect games. We see the lives of humans in a universe of colonies and association with other aliens. We're playing a human who travels the stars. A person who lives a considerable amount of time among aliens, who speaks with other humans who do the same - what they view as normal interaction between human and alien might be considered completely abnormal to the humans who remain on Earth. Those who travel beyond the solar system are forced to confront their assumptions.

The urge to reproduce can get strong for some people, but it's not the sole reason to have sex. Quite a few humans have sex for recreation - it does tend to feel quite nice.

Ieldra2 also wrote...
But this has gone way off topic. That I don't romance Tali has actually less to do with the fact she's not human than that I consider her more of a little sister. Someone said she's cute. That she is. That does a bit to prevent me from being attracted to her.

I also would say Tali is cute, but entirely too much like a sister to want to romance. She's sweet, which is great if you like that sort of thing. She comes across as very young in ME1, and while she's matured a bit by ME2, I'm not going to think she's magically aged 10 years in a 2 year time frame. Her personality also completely friendzones her for me.

[Ieldra]

Pacifien wrote...
The urge to reproduce can get strong for some people, but it's not the sole reason to have sex. Quite a few humans have sex for recreation - it does tend to feel quite nice.

LOL. Indeed. But don't pretend I didn't acknowledge that, please:

[...]it does serve much more than that purpose in a social species.[...]

The problem is, sexual attraction only exists between individuals that can reproduce with each other in the first place- as a rule, the odd minority taste and rare instance of symbiotic co-evolution notwithstanding. And to actually want to have sex at all, recreational, reproductional, whatever, sexual attraction has first to exist.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 juin 2010 - 02:06 .

[TheAwesomologist]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Did you and me play the same game?

Ieldra2 wrote...

Er. Did we play the same game? Miranda is too full of herself? Well, if you think being confident of her abilities equals being full of herself, then maybe. And actually, she *is* very competent, so she has reason to be confident. No wrong reasons here. 
As for her dialog options, LOL. Perhaps you're too focused on how she looks to notice what it's all about. Her genetic enginering comes up a lot, including her looks only by extension. And she's not comfortable with it all. I don't see how that contributes to her being "too full of herself". 

Yeah we did play the same game, isn't it great that we can come to different conclusions about our companion characters?

Miranda just never did it for me (beyond her looks... yeowza!). I never buy it when "pretty people have it hard too." Maybe if they went into further detail about who her father is, just how bad it really was for her growing up, what challenges she's faced. Because my Shepard has already faced challenges that would blow her mind, and you don't hear him ****ing about it.
And its not like I think she's all bad. Hell for the first half of the game, until I got Samara, Miranda was almost always in my party.

In the end I think its great that BioWare gave us LI's that are all significantly different enough which can affect each person's play through so that we all get an experience unique to us.

[Errol Dnamyx]