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[Onyx Jaguar]

I must have missed that episode

[Xenomorphwut]

Verbatim transcription of the words morinth says [lease

DO IT!!! DO IT NOWW!!

[SpiderFan1217]

Xenomorphwut wrote...

Verbatim transcription of the words morinth says [lease
DO IT!!! DO IT NOWW!!

There's not much of a convo. When her eyes go black and she tries her jedi mind trick. you use your paragon of renegade option. Shepard will say somehting like, "You messed up." Morinth will be all, " I see what's going on. She got a dog to help her." Samara will bust in. They fight the same way as normally. Then Morinth will be all, " Hey Shep. I'm an uber pimp. Help me kill her and I will help you." Samara will be all, "That won't work hoe." Then you choose who you want to kill.

[Xenomorphwut]

No, what morinth says when u talk to her on ship.

[SpiderFan1217]

Xenomorphwut wrote...

No, what morinth says when u talk to her on ship.

Oh. I don't know. I ain't never recruited that crazy ****. Homegirl tries to mind rape you.

[Xenomorphwut]

Mmm...Microwaved brain,

Dang it, Grunt program is running, logging u out Grunt

[Throw_this_away]

kerkegr06 wrote...

Has anybody selected Samara to die and saved Morinth. Holy Sh!t she disguises herself as Samara (so the team doesn't know) and talks about how you might be the only one she can have sex with and not worry about dying. So also says that Samara was evil and part of a group that wants the humans erased. Plus her fourth ability is sweet (controls humans and gives them a constantly regening barrier). My jaw dropped when all this happened. Has anybody else done this?...

I have morinth in half of my playthroughs.  She is fun to use against collectors.  

[Throw_this_away]

yorkj86 wrote...

I'd take anything Morinth says about Samara with a grain of salt.  Morinth is a murderous sociopath.  Look at what happens when she tells you that she thinks you might be able to survive the mind-joining.  She microwaves your brain.   She lied to you to get what she wanted.

I find them to be interesting characters.  What makes Morinth different from Samara?  Some codes of conduct?  Sex?  

Both are powerful killers, but with different motivations.  That being said... Samara had 3 children, and all were ardat-yatshi (spelling???), and it is genetic... so I am thinking Samara is the same, but learned to control her killing desires by not sleeping with people... and following a strict code of conduct.  

I think you will find that in ME3, Morinth and Samara are very much alike.  

[SpiderFan1217]

Throw_this_away wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

I'd take anything Morinth says about Samara with a grain of salt.  Morinth is a murderous sociopath.  Look at what happens when she tells you that she thinks you might be able to survive the mind-joining.  She microwaves your brain.   She lied to you to get what she wanted.

I find them to be interesting characters.  What makes Morinth different from Samara?  Some codes of conduct?  Sex?  

Both are powerful killers, but with different motivations.  That being said... Samara had 3 children, and all were ardat-yatshi (spelling???), and it is genetic... so I am thinking Samara is the same, but learned to control her killing desires by not sleeping with people... and following a strict code of conduct.  

I think you will find that in ME3, Morinth and Samara are very much alike.  

If Samara were and AY then she would not have been able to have children. She probalby is jsut a carrier of the gene, or her mate was a carrier.

Modifié par SpiderFan1217, 31 mai 2010 - 03:50 .

[Lucazius]

Morinth is the quickest path for Shepard to "embrace eternity".

[SpiderFan1217]

yorkj86 wrote...

Throw_this_away wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

I'd take anything Morinth says about Samara with a grain of salt.  Morinth is a murderous sociopath.  Look at what happens when she tells you that she thinks you might be able to survive the mind-joining.  She microwaves your brain.   She lied to you to get what she wanted.

I find them to be interesting characters.  What makes Morinth different from Samara?  Some codes of conduct?  Sex?  

Both are powerful killers, but with different motivations.  That being said... Samara had 3 children, and all were ardat-yatshi (spelling???), and it is genetic... so I am thinking Samara is the same, but learned to control her killing desires by not sleeping with people... and following a strict code of conduct.  

I think you will find that in ME3, Morinth and Samara are very much alike.  

Ardat-Yakshi are sterile.   Samara had children.   Therefore, Samara is not an Ardat-Yakshi.

What makes Morinth different from Samara is that Morinth serves only her own desires, all of which compel her to manipulate and mastermind the corruption of the innocent for her own benefit.   Then, she kills them, and that act makes her stronger.  Morinth cannot stop.

Samara serves the Code, which, presumably, has been constructed to represent Asari values, and the Asari justice system as an extention of those values.   Samara can stop, theoretically.  As an Asari has to go through rigorous training in order to become a Justicar, there must be an organization and some oversight.   Justicars must answer to someone, as the Spectres do.

Morinth hates everything about her mother.  We learn this from Shepard's conversations with  Morinth.  Samara states that, even though she has to kill her daughter for violating Asari laws and then fleeing, she has always been extremely proud of her daughter, and that she will always love her.

This discussion has come up a lot in these forums.  I don't think they're much alike, apart from the moral ambiguity of their justifications for doing the things they do.

*wonders just how much devotion is too much devotion*

[SpiderFan1217]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Morinth must feed.

lols

[FourSixEight]

If you really want the Dominate power from Morinth, and that's all you want from her, seeing as that's the only thing differentiating her and Samara, why not simply make a new, 'alternate universe save' where you recruited her, so you can still have it as a bonus power?

And even if you didn't, think about the moral and practical ramifications. Samara is Lawful Stupid half the time, yes, and she is a danger to you if you're highly Renegade, yes, but you could convince her to leave you alone if you left her alone in ME3 or something.

With Morinth? There are no guarantees. If you somehow in the future aren't able to resist her Ardat-Yakshi control anymore- let alone your squadmates not being able to- things onboard are going to get messy as well.

She'll keep trying to romance Shepard, and if he turns her down, she might react...impulsively, to try and fix that problem.

Besides, recruiting her in the first place is destroying all the good deeds Samara can do in the future, and spitting on both her memory and all of Morinth's victims.

Modifié par FourSixEight, 31 mai 2010 - 03:56 .

[Throw_this_away]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Throw_this_away wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

I'd take anything Morinth says about Samara with a grain of salt.  Morinth is a murderous sociopath.  Look at what happens when she tells you that she thinks you might be able to survive the mind-joining.  She microwaves your brain.   She lied to you to get what she wanted.

I find them to be interesting characters.  What makes Morinth different from Samara?  Some codes of conduct?  Sex?  

Both are powerful killers, but with different motivations.  That being said... Samara had 3 children, and all were ardat-yatshi (spelling???), and it is genetic... so I am thinking Samara is the same, but learned to control her killing desires by not sleeping with people... and following a strict code of conduct.  

I think you will find that in ME3, Morinth and Samara are very much alike.  

If Samara were and AY then she would not have been able to have children. She probalby is jsut a carrier of the gene, or her mate was a carrier.

I think she can mate even if she kills someone... since asari take the maternal role and carry the child through pregnancy.  She just needs to keep the partner alive just long enough to...

I think there is a big reason why Samara turns down Shep.  Code is part of it, a fear of being drawn back into her killing old killing ways is another.  I think in ME3 Samara will learn to overcome this... as will Morinth.  

[SpiderFan1217]

Throw_this_away wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Throw_this_away wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

I'd take anything Morinth says about Samara with a grain of salt.  Morinth is a murderous sociopath.  Look at what happens when she tells you that she thinks you might be able to survive the mind-joining.  She microwaves your brain.   She lied to you to get what she wanted.

I find them to be interesting characters.  What makes Morinth different from Samara?  Some codes of conduct?  Sex?  

Both are powerful killers, but with different motivations.  That being said... Samara had 3 children, and all were ardat-yatshi (spelling???), and it is genetic... so I am thinking Samara is the same, but learned to control her killing desires by not sleeping with people... and following a strict code of conduct.  

I think you will find that in ME3, Morinth and Samara are very much alike.  

If Samara were and AY then she would not have been able to have children. She probalby is jsut a carrier of the gene, or her mate was a carrier.

I think she can mate even if she kills someone... since asari take the maternal role and carry the child through pregnancy.  She just needs to keep the partner alive just long enough to...

I think there is a big reason why Samara turns down Shep.  Code is part of it, a fear of being drawn back into her killing old killing ways is another.  I think in ME3 Samara will learn to overcome this... as will Morinth.  

AY are steril. Samara has childrens.

[SpiderFan1217]

yorkj86 wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

*wonders just how much devotion is too much devotion*

Morinth's dedication to hedonism vs. Samara's dedication to justice?

Neither. I was mocking how knowledgable of Samara you were. It was only a joke. Knowledge impresses me.

[FourSixEight]

yorkj86 wrote...

Throw_this_away wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

I'd take anything Morinth says about Samara with a grain of salt.  Morinth is a murderous sociopath.  Look at what happens when she tells you that she thinks you might be able to survive the mind-joining.  She microwaves your brain.   She lied to you to get what she wanted.

I find them to be interesting characters.  What makes Morinth different from Samara?  Some codes of conduct?  Sex?  

Both are powerful killers, but with different motivations.  That being said... Samara had 3 children, and all were ardat-yatshi (spelling???), and it is genetic... so I am thinking Samara is the same, but learned to control her killing desires by not sleeping with people... and following a strict code of conduct.  

I think you will find that in ME3, Morinth and Samara are very much alike.  

Ardat-Yakshi are sterile.   Samara had children.   Therefore, Samara is not an Ardat-Yakshi.

She could be lying to Shepard. Lying is not part of the Justicar Code, this we know. It's not something a Justicar like Samara would want to do. But if she was an Ardat-Yakshi herself, it would explain several things.

One, why she doesn't want a romance with Shepard (could be afraid of burning his mind out), two, why her bonus power, Reave, is eerily similar to Ardat-Yakshi methods, i.e., ripping nervous systems to shreds and leeching health, and three, why all her children turned out to be AY. Maybe AY can mate with asari safely or something, but no one wants to, at least not when they know who the AY is.

As for why Samara would lie, she either doesn't want Shepard to send her away and get upset unnecessarily, or AY being able to breed with asari, is yet another big secret the asari are keeping from the galaxy, and they don't want the galaxy to freak out.

[SpiderFan1217]

FourSixEight wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Throw_this_away wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

I'd take anything Morinth says about Samara with a grain of salt.  Morinth is a murderous sociopath.  Look at what happens when she tells you that she thinks you might be able to survive the mind-joining.  She microwaves your brain.   She lied to you to get what she wanted.

I find them to be interesting characters.  What makes Morinth different from Samara?  Some codes of conduct?  Sex?  

Both are powerful killers, but with different motivations.  That being said... Samara had 3 children, and all were ardat-yatshi (spelling???), and it is genetic... so I am thinking Samara is the same, but learned to control her killing desires by not sleeping with people... and following a strict code of conduct.  

I think you will find that in ME3, Morinth and Samara are very much alike.  

Ardat-Yakshi are sterile.   Samara had children.   Therefore, Samara is not an Ardat-Yakshi.

She could be lying to Shepard. Lying is not part of the Justicar Code, this we know. It's not something a Justicar like Samara would want to do. But if she was an Ardat-Yakshi herself, it would explain several things.

One, why she doesn't want a romance with Shepard (could be afraid of burning his mind out), two, why her bonus power, Reave, is eerily similar to Ardat-Yakshi methods, i.e., ripping nervous systems to shreds and leeching health, and three, why all her children turned out to be AY. Maybe AY can mate with asari safely or something, but no one wants to, at least not when they know who the AY is.

As for why Samara would lie, she either doesn't want Shepard to send her away and get upset unnecessarily, or AY being able to breed with asari, is yet another big secret the asari are keeping from the galaxy, and they don't want the galaxy to freak out.

Let us know when you are done grasping at straws.