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[mcsupersport]

Just want to register my complaint about the move of all the Support XXXXXX character threads to the Builds forum.

Thanks for ruining a perfectly good and helpful forum.

I know most didn't ask to be moved and really don't like me complaining bout them ruining the forum but it is still a fact.  Stanly said this is the proper place to complain about it, so here it is to be ignored like all the rest.  I fully expect within the next month for the build forum to be totally inhabited by fanites only, and build discussion will be handled elsewhere by necessity if it is even done at all.  The issue is not the subject of the "Support" threads it is the volume and activity crushing everything else, which was the problem with them in the story forum. 

The solution is to either move them to their own forum or give a strategy and build forum another home.  Will not happen probably but hey it is what it is.


As far as the sticky I requested about builds threads and it not being active enough, well of course it isn't it is hard to find and when you drop in to the forum and see all the I Support threads most are going to run away and not bother.  The idea was to help people find the threads they need to compare builds and see other people's ideas in a forum filled with unrelated crap.

Thanks and have a nice life.

[Pacifien]

I was going to start the same thread, but you beat me to it. I have my doubts about how this thread will be received because the fact Stanley Woo closed all the other threads shows that a moderator is well aware of the issue.

When I noticed people to complaining about the dominance the character support threads were having in the ME2 Campaign and Storyline forum, I started seeing people saying it should be moved to the ME2 Character, class, and Builds forum because with "Character" in the title, they made the assumption it was referencing the NPC characters. It didn't help that the original Forum Home description implied the forum was for creative works while the original stickies in the actual forums themselves implied it was for discussion of classes, builds, and strategy. (And I note that both the original descriptions did not imply the forum was for character support threads.) So while the ME2 Character, class, and Builds forum was often cited as a possible new home for the character support threads, the reason people suggested it was a faulty one to begin with.

I think the most popular suggestion for what to do with the character support threads has been their own subforum. However, it hasn't escaped my notice that the Bioware Social Network forums have no subforums. I don't know if this was a choice the forum maintainers decided for the layout or if it is due to the limitations of the sytem. I think clarification might be in order so that people know whether or not subforums are ever an option.

If a subforum is not an option, I hope the forum maintainers seriously consider allowing character support threads their own forum. They seem to clutter the ME2 Campaign and Storyline forum, overshadowing all other threads. They clutter the ME2 Character, class, and Builds forum just as well, but more than that, they clash with the "class and Build" aspect of the forum. On one hand, you have threads about the in-depth discussion of a character and his/her/its role in the storyline. On the other hand, you have threads about gameplay. Given that the posters are prone to debate RPG versus shooter and which is better, you have to see that mixing the two doesn't make a lot of sense.

So there's my eleven cents on the issue.

ETA: Okay, I'll add another two cents onto the pile. I also quite like OniGanon's suggestion in another thread about how the forum could be organized.

Modifié par Pacifien, 31 mai 2010 - 03:48 .

[mi55ter]

I agree with this thread (of course, seen as how I started another one myself).



Also I like OniGanon's suggestion too.

[Barrow Roll]

Also going to throw in my support for this. The character support threads are completely at odds with everything else in that forum and people are unhappy about the move.

[Dsurian]

"At odds with everything else in the forum." Well, yeah, they're fairly useless, so they would be at odds in just about any forum.

[RGFrog]

Dsurian wrote...

"At odds with everything else in the forum." Well, yeah, they're fairly useless, so they would be at odds in just about any forum.

Which is why I support moving them to their own forum. Like a subforum specifically setup to discuss in game characters. All of them.

You want to talk about volus, then there should be a sub forum within Characters just for Volus. You want to talk about T&A, then a subforum for T&A.

The gush threads are nothing but distraction and don't belong anywhere, so make a new home just for them. That way everyone is happy. Peeps that like to talk about Miri's ass will see that BW takes the topic seriously and has provided her posteriour a home. Others that prefer to talk about every other topic will be relieved that they don't have to sift through character return support threads to get to what they're interested in.

This fix is so simple I have to wonder why it had to be suggested by the fans in the first place.

BW, please take 5 minutes and create a new home for these topics rather than moving them to areas where they are clearly not wanted.

[FoFoZem]

I support this thread. Moving them to the build and strategy discussion forum isn't a fix. And while technically they might belong there (because BioWare sneakily changed the forum description) we know that this is not the case considering the type of discussion that goes (went*) on in that forum.



It doesn't seem fair that those of us that care about strategy should be punished because some 12-year-old at home has a Tali fetish and wanks off to her pictures every night.



Fix it BioWare, or I will fix my game developing loyalties

[SmokeyNinjas]

I support this thread

[lexicality]

PLEASE remove the fan fiction and character support threads to another section - preferably their own so as not to annoy anyone else.



Fan fiction and tactical discussions are almost diametrically opposed in their appeal so this reshuffle has caused a lot of aggravation when trying to find anything of worth through all the 'garbage'.



I dont want to sound overly negative as I do respect the right of everyone to do what they wish as long as it doesnt harm anyone else. But this reshuffle going to cause me a heart attack from sheer frustration!



Please remedy the situation as soon as possible.

[Doriath]

I support everyone getting their own subforum.

[jwalker]

I support this thread.

[Omicrone]

What the OP said.

[mcsupersport]

Bella Stiletto wrote...

Although I think the title of this thread could have been handled more maturely, I do agree with the gist of the thread and would love to see Character threads get their own subforum.  I would hate to see great build threads and videos get ignored, people are still interested in them.

You might be right about the thread title, but then again I mostly call it like I see it.  You don't fix a problem by moving it to another room, for instance you find your dog has pooped on the floor in the kitchen, you don't move it to the living room and say you cleaned it up.  The only way moving the Support Threads would fix the problem was if they were moved to their own forum.  It was silly and stupid to "fix" the problem by moving the problem from one group of people on to another group. 

The support group people really don't care where they are at, as long as they are in ME fourm, their numbers will ensure their threads stay up and easily found.  The sheer volume of threads and posts will strangle any non-dedicated forum, and this is a fact that you can't ignore when deciding where to put them.  The moderators were being extrememly ignorant in their beliefs, since it seems they did exactly that, ignored the consequence of the move to the forum they were moving it too.

And Stanly Woo stated very plainly that this was the location he wanted complaint threads on this subject, hence the title(I will admit to being a bit hacked off over the callus treatment).

[Barrow Roll]

I'm sure Bioware is fully aware but I'd also like to point everyone's attention to this thread.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/128/index/2744797/1

Not everyone is aware of this thread in the help section but there are more people that would like to see this problem remedied.

Any chance on an official word from Bioware soon?

Modifié par Barrow Roll, 02 juin 2010 - 07:57 .

[Pacifien]

Barrow Roll wrote...
I'm sure Bioware is fully aware but I'd also like to point everyone's attention to this thread.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/128/index/2744797/1

Not everyone is aware of this thread in the help section but there are more people that would like to see this problem remedied.

Any chance on an official word from Bioware soon?

I did post the link to that thread. Part of the problem is going to be that some of the old forum usuals have simply given up looking at the forum now. Wonder if I should bother to PM them the link to this thread or if that's just obsessive overkill...

Anyway, I think the official word is all down to Chris Priestly, and I don't think he's around at the moment. And considering it took them as long as it did to addressing people's issues with the character support threads when they were on another forum, who knows how long it'll take them to awknowledge the problem still exists. If they bother to address it all again.

[Atmosfear3]

I'll take it one step further and say I support the deletion of all support threads as they are nothing more than spamfests full of kids who say "ONE HOUR WITHOUT TALI? UP YOU GO!"

[mcsupersport]

Atmosfear3 wrote...

I'll take it one step further and say I support the deletion of all support threads as they are nothing more than spamfests full of kids who say "ONE HOUR WITHOUT TALI? UP YOU GO!"

No, I don't agree.  The Support Threads have there place in the forums but they need their own forum.  The people in them should have them, and if that is how they like to support and enjoy their game that is their right.  The only problem I have is the sheer volume of them makes putting them in a forum not dedicated to them crushes out other interest.

In the case of moving them to the Builds forum, they have pretty much destroyed 90% of the talk about builds ands strategy.  When they were in the story forum the same happened.  THEY NEED THEIR OWN FORUM.  This gives them a place to talk and allows those who don't care about them to talk about other issues.

[Whole Particle]

Can't believe the support threads are still stuck in the general builds and strategies forum. I use to read through that forum all the time too.

It can't be hard to make a subforum for them. It would take what, 5 minutes?

[Barrow Roll]

Wouldn't even take 5 minutes to at least get an official word from the forum mods about this entire issue. I'm not making any demands, but when and if we do get a response can we have a little more than "they're staying there, end line" please?

[mcsupersport]

Shavon wrote...

It was a rather pointless move, only because theses threads should have been in that sub-forum from the getgo. They are character threads andd should be in the character forums. But yeah, moving them now was silly.

The idea of the "Character" and Build forum was to talk about your character you played, not the Characters in the game.  It was very plain in the description and forum info before the move that this was the intention.  The Character Support threads didn't belong in the Builds forum until after the move and the change to the description of the forum.  If you want to see what it was like before go chech out the Dragon Age "Character" and build forum and see what it was.  The Support Threads need their own forum/sub-forum to really not cause a problem for another group of people.  The problem I have with the mods and decision makers is not that they decided to move the threads, but that they moved the problem from one group of people to another, and called it fixed.  They still have the problem created by the Support threads it is just in a different location and on a small group of people.  They could have really fixed the problem by giving them their own forum, and everyone would have been happy.

[Whole Particle]

The idea of the "Character" and Build forum was to talk about your character you played, not the Characters in the game.

That's the image I had in my mind from the word "character" as well. Why lump fan thread and discussions in with a builds and gameplay strategy forum?

While I honestly think the entire forum could be structured better, the current number of sections and category structure of the forums isn't that bad, except for these two completely unrelated topics being merged together like this, of course.

[Barrow Roll]

Bumping this. Problem isn't gonna go away just by ignoring it...

[Pacifien]

Barrow Roll wrote...
Wouldn't even take 5 minutes to at least get an official word from the forum mods about this entire issue. I'm not making any demands, but when and if we do get a response can we have a little more than "they're staying there, end line" please?

I think the ultimate decision lies with Chris Priestly, who isn't around at the moment. I was going to start making a huge fuss again once he returned.